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It would certainly be interesting if members were getting ID cards. A photo with the name blacked out would clear up any doubt. We've had one or two members claiming to have been given a national health card when they got PR, but when I asked about this with the issuing authority the answer was a definite "no."

Given that we all have a valid "mai lek prachachon" I don't see why they couldn't in theory issue a Thai ID card.

Anything is possible, I agree - but I cannot imagine a District Office being so clueless as to issue a PR holder with a Thai ID card. However, if it is issued, it will have been done so in error by the District Office. The issuance of a Thai ID card is reserved for Thai citizens. PR holders are not Thai citizens. I am certainly very interested, however, to hear what transpires. Having said that - if I was the person who received such a Thai ID card in error, I would not be broadcasting it on a forum like this.

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It would certainly be interesting if members were getting ID cards. A photo with the name blacked out would clear up any doubt. We've had one or two members claiming to have been given a national health card when they got PR, but when I asked about this with the issuing authority the answer was a definite "no."

Given that we all have a valid "mai lek prachachon" I don't see why they couldn't in theory issue a Thai ID card.

Anything is possible, I agree - but I cannot imagine a District Office being so clueless as to issue a PR holder with a Thai ID card. However, if it is issued, it will have been done so in error by the District Office. The issuance of a Thai ID card is reserved for Thai citizens. PR holders are not Thai citizens. I am certainly very interested, however, to hear what transpires. Having said that - if I was the person who received such a Thai ID card in error, I would not be broadcasting it on a forum like this.

It may not be the Thai National ID Card. It may be an ID card similar to what is issued to temporary workers from Burmese, Laotioan, Khmer workers these days.

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It would certainly be interesting if members were getting ID cards. A photo with the name blacked out would clear up any doubt. We've had one or two members claiming to have been given a national health card when they got PR, but when I asked about this with the issuing authority the answer was a definite "no."

Given that we all have a valid "mai lek prachachon" I don't see why they couldn't in theory issue a Thai ID card.

Anything is possible, I agree - but I cannot imagine a District Office being so clueless as to issue a PR holder with a Thai ID card. However, if it is issued, it will have been done so in error by the District Office. The issuance of a Thai ID card is reserved for Thai citizens. PR holders are not Thai citizens. I am certainly very interested, however, to hear what transpires. Having said that - if I was the person who received such a Thai ID card in error, I would not be broadcasting it on a forum like this.

It may not be the Thai National ID Card. It may be an ID card similar to what is issued to temporary workers from Burmese, Laotioan, Khmer workers these days.

I over heard somthing at the amphoe when I applied for the thabian baan that 2 officals were arguing about what number to assign me, one of them was insisting that it should be starting with 8 and the other one on 6 and they had quite a discussion about issuing an ID if I am in blue book. and they took a whole moth for considration and I have recieved a fax stating that my thabien baan is ready and I can collect it. I dont know what I am going to face when I go to collect it.

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It should be starting from 8. This is what assigned for aliens who receive permanent residence. And the same ID number starting from 8 will be your Thai ID card number as well should you decide to apply for thai citizenship and receive it. ID numbers starting from 6 are for temporary alien residents i.e. any alien who has not received permanent residence. They can either be illegal immigrants, work permit holders etc. etc.

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It should be starting from 8. This is what assigned for aliens who receive permanent residence. And the same ID number starting from 8 will be your Thai ID card number as well should you decide to apply for thai citizenship and receive it. ID numbers starting from 6 are for temporary alien residents i.e. any alien who has not received permanent residence. They can either be illegal immigrants, work permit holders etc. etc.

Yes, a yellow household book holder receives a ID number starting with 6.

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I am also interested to know what kind of ID card Thai Owl will come back with. I think they should all know that a Thai ID card denotes Thai nationality and I would put my money on them having a stab at issuing a foreign labourer's ID card which will be difficult because there are only three choices of nationality. But anything can happen here.

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Re the gold card for health care. I went up to the department at the Amphur that issues these a year ago to enquire about my rights when I was at there for some other business. The officer had a look in the computer and found my details listed as someone who had been issued with a gold card. I already had PR when the original issue of gold cards was made and I remember getting a letter saying I was entitled to a gold card but I assumed it was a mistake because I am not Thai and didn't pursue it at the time. I don't remember receiving the actual gold card in the mail and perhaps I was supposed to go and collect it at the Amphur. I was told that the original regulations gave gold cards to everyone on a tabien baan, possibly due to an oversight, but they were later amended to exclude foreigners. However, I am apparently grandfathered in and, although they can't issue me with a new card, I am entitled to treatment at a named hospital in the Amphur on production of my passport and tabien baan. The hospitals have the same database and Thais can also get treatment by showing their ID card and tabien baan, if they are in the system in that Amphur. In fact the actual gold cards are no longer really necessary. So far I haven't tried to use it.

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Re the gold card for health care. I went up to the department at the Amphur that issues these a year ago to enquire about my rights when I was at there for some other business. The officer had a look in the computer and found my details listed as someone who had been issued with a gold card. I already had PR when the original issue of gold cards was made and I remember getting a letter saying I was entitled to a gold card but I assumed it was a mistake because I am not Thai and didn't pursue it at the time. I don't remember receiving the actual gold card in the mail and perhaps I was supposed to go and collect it at the Amphur. I was told that the original regulations gave gold cards to everyone on a tabien baan, possibly due to an oversight, but they were later amended to exclude foreigners. However, I am apparently grandfathered in and, although they can't issue me with a new card, I am entitled to treatment at a named hospital in the Amphur on production of my passport and tabien baan. The hospitals have the same database and Thais can also get treatment by showing their ID card and tabien baan, if they are in the system in that Amphur. In fact the actual gold cards are no longer really necessary. So far I haven't tried to use it.

Thanks for this post. It explains why at some amphurs people who register themselves on a yellow household registration book get the card for free health care. I knew that was probably a mistake, but this explains where the mistake comes from.

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Does anyone know what happens if we lose our PR book while out of the country? One would hope Immigration would stamp us in at the border and the paperwork would later be resolved at CW (presumably with a fine and the issuing of a new book).

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Does anyone know what happens if we lose our PR book while out of the country? One would hope Immigration would stamp us in at the border and the paperwork would later be resolved at CW (presumably with a fine and the issuing of a new book).

I think only immigration can answer it. What I have known is that, at the time of entry in thailand, if you dont have the residence book, you lose your PR status since they need to stamp it.

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Hi, I got my PR got the endorsement done on it and had passport stamped with multiple entries for Non Quota immigrant visa.

I am leaving country tomorrow.

Could someone reconfirm to me that only documents I carry are my passport and PR (blue) book?

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Tamvine, yes that's correct (and therefore no need to carry the red "Alien" book) and have immigration stamp both your passport and blue PR book. As also noted by one other poster, completion of the arrival / departure card is now reversed (ie same as a Thai traveller) whereby on departure from Thailand you complete both the arrival and departure card, they remove the departure card and staple the arrival card into your passport. On return to Thailand they remove the arrival card.

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Tamvine, yes that's correct (and therefore no need to carry the red "Alien" book) and have immigration stamp both your passport and blue PR book. As also noted by one other poster, completion of the arrival / departure card is now reversed (ie same as a Thai traveller) whereby on departure from Thailand you complete both the arrival and departure card, they remove the departure card and staple the arrival card into your passport. On return to Thailand they remove the arrival card.

Thanks for the quick and I noticed your first post which is valuable information to all at this TV forum who still are not sure about it. Welcome to TV forum.

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