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Since nobody has done it before, here's my guide to the Permanent Resident application process in 2004: Disclaimer These are my personal experiences as a single guy living in rented accommodation in

I promised a friend I would write about my experience recently in getting my permanent residence. Some of it is maybe different from the original Camerata guide. First, I must give kudos to all Thai o

okay I managed to contact PR section and spoke to the officer in charge of the PR section who actually took the time to investigate the options and called me back.   Only those PRs that expi

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35 minutes ago, scorecard said:

We quickly spoke to the uniformed cop who handles this (spoke good English) he apologized for the  moving-in mess but added 'If you don't mind the mess I'll take care of this right now, about 20 minutes', then he got 2 glasses of water.

 

Fifteen minutes later all done and a new 5 year update in my RED book, 500Baht. My son asked if I can later get a 10 year update. Response 'only 5 years, but with very old people we don't worry if the update is late'.

 

Pleasant cop said 'come back anytime if I can help with any documents'.

WOW, what a great experience in Chiang Mai.  Wish it was the same here.  My book has been moved to Krabi, same expiry date as before and I have to report into Ao Nang police around 3 years from now.  I suspect I will end up having to pay the fixer again to get it extended, but let's see.

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On 1/13/2021 at 3:24 PM, Dogmatix said:

That’s the most likely explanation. It’s pretty appalling how police can just BS to avoid doing their jobs, like most Special Branch provincial offices either refuse to process citizenship applications or, even worse, try to do it but ask for bribes and mess up the applications.

Well if they refuse to do it, then you have to get someone to do it, and that person may or may not grease the wheels, we don't know do we?

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2 hours ago, Arkady said:

Yes, there is downside to not endorsing your book in 5 years time. There are small fines to pay and you will not be able to renew a work permit or, I believe, get a new duplicate white copy of your resident book when it is full, if your alien book has expired.  Different labour offices may take different views but I had a problem renewing my work permit once because the they insisted I had to have an alien book endorsement that covered the entire period of the work permit and I was applying for a two year work permit. So I was forced to run around to the police station and get a new alien book endorsement long before it had expired.

 

 

 

 

Thank you for this useful information.  I felt it was worth 5K to keep things straight, but I wasn't sure why.  I don't have a work permit any more, but the white book is critical to getting in and out of the country.

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My own experience of moving from one part of Bangkok to another many years ago was similar to Scorecard's but easier because both cop shops were totally familiar with the process.  I went to the police station I was leaving and handed over the red book.  They prepared some documents, the details of which I can't remember.  Then they put all of it including my book in a large brown envelope to send the police station I was moving to.  They didn't give me copies but I think they gave me a carbon copy of a slip with something scrawled on it.  I was told to wait three weeks for the package to make it to other police station via internal police mail which obviously had some serious efficiency problems. I didn't believe this could be possible and checked with the new police station after only two weeks but it hadn't arrived. After three weeks it still hadn't arrived and I got worried it was lost but it arrived after four weeks. Some forms were filled in and an essay in red ink I think was written in the book describing my monumentous move across the city.  I was fined B100 for doing this late.  Then I was good to go.   Still was easier than when I had to change my nationality from English to British in line with a Foreign Ministry directive that there was no longer any such nationality as English. That involved a one and a half hour interview with one of the lady Senior Sergeant Majors at CW to verify I was really the same person as when I was English.  After that she went through the same process with the brown envelope which was sent to my local police station and took about a month to arrive again showing up only on my third visit. The police there wrote extensively in the red book in red ink to describe my nationality change and then I was good to go.

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3 hours ago, Arkady said:

My own experience of moving from one part of Bangkok to another many years ago was similar to Scorecard's but easier because both cop shops were totally familiar with the process.  I went to the police station I was leaving and handed over the red book.  They prepared some documents, the details of which I can't remember.  Then they put all of it including my book in a large brown envelope to send the police station I was moving to.  They didn't give me copies but I think they gave me a carbon copy of a slip with something scrawled on it.  I was told to wait three weeks for the package to make it to other police station via internal police mail which obviously had some serious efficiency problems. I didn't believe this could be possible and checked with the new police station after only two weeks but it hadn't arrived. After three weeks it still hadn't arrived and I got worried it was lost but it arrived after four weeks. Some forms were filled in and an essay in red ink I think was written in the book describing my monumentous move across the city.  I was fined B100 for doing this late.  Then I was good to go.   Still was easier than when I had to change my nationality from English to British in line with a Foreign Ministry directive that there was no longer any such nationality as English. That involved a one and a half hour interview with one of the lady Senior Sergeant Majors at CW to verify I was really the same person as when I was English.  After that she went through the same process with the brown envelope which was sent to my local police station and took about a month to arrive again showing up only on my third visit. The police there wrote extensively in the red book in red ink to describe my nationality change and then I was good to go.

 

Arkady, would need to draw to your wisdom, since you changed your nationality from english to british, would it be possible for a dual nationality holder to move the PR from one nationality to another? offcourse not from english to british, but for instance, britsh to USA?

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8 hours ago, sas_cars said:

 

Arkady, would need to draw to your wisdom, since you changed your nationality from english to british, would it be possible for a dual nationality holder to move the PR from one nationality to another? offcourse not from english to british, but for instance, britsh to USA?

 

I am pretty sure this is technically possible following the same process.  The only thing I would be wary of is if they require evidence of change of nationality, bearing in mind that dual nationality is not in their vocabulary. Since you wouldn't be obtaining a new nationality and revoking the previous one, this would be impossible to produce, if they were to ask for it. In their view, since you would still have the original nationality, they may not see any grounds for changing it in your Thai docs or might want to just add the other nationality to your file. In my case, they were already familiar with the English > British shift and had a memo from the Foreign Ministry to justify it.  I would check with CW first to see if it can be done without triggering any hassles.

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On 1/25/2021 at 12:41 AM, sas_cars said:

 

Arkady, would need to draw to your wisdom, since you changed your nationality from english to british, would it be possible for a dual nationality holder to move the PR from one nationality to another? offcourse not from english to british, but for instance, britsh to USA?

 

I also would like to do this. Just before I moved to Thailand I had obtained a 2nd nationality and passport, so it was with that passport that I got my first work permit, accumulated years of tax returns and ultimately applied for and obtained PR. But  now I'm in the position that my remaining family and friends are in the country of my original citizenship, which I visit regularly, and I have no connection to the country of the 2nd passport anymore. It's just a hassle and extra expense having to maintain and use two passports. But the idea of explaining to Immigration that I want to change my registered nationality for my "convenience" is a bit daunting.

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Hi everyone,

 

This thread has become very quiet ..!

 

Quick question, I will soon pass by Suvarnabhumi airport and would like to register my PR for the auto gates.

 

Does anyone knows if it's possible nowadays ? And the process ?

 

Thanks !

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On 3/26/2021 at 5:03 PM, Alex19 said:

Hi everyone,

 

This thread has become very quiet ..!

 

Quick question, I will soon pass by Suvarnabhumi airport and would like to register my PR for the auto gates.

 

Does anyone knows if it's possible nowadays ? And the process ?

 

Thanks !

 

As of last early year, the last time I travelled, the system wasn't working, I don't know if it ever got fixed.

 

The only thing you will need to register apart from travel documents is the details of a Thai referee (for some strange reason). So a copy of their ID card would be useful.

 

Go to the counter immediately past the immigration booths. The same place they process overstay fines.

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How well do the auto gates work now, if at all?  There was supposed to be a big new project, with the usual corruption allegations, to replace the old system.  I haven't been out of the country for three years but I hated the old system as the finger print reader failed to read my finger print about 40% of the time which forced me to go to a manned counter.  Once I nearly missed my flight because the system was down completely and Thais and everyone else were forced to queue up in the main scrum, as Immigration just gave up and didn't bother to man any gates for Thais only.  I understand they started scanning more than just the one finger since my last trip.  So hopefully it is a new and more efficient system but I am not holding my breath.  My old iPhone 5 was able to read my finger print without fail.  So there is no reason why a system costing billions of baht could not do the same.

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16 hours ago, Arkady said:

How well do the auto gates work now, if at all?  There was supposed to be a big new project, with the usual corruption allegations, to replace the old system.  I haven't been out of the country for three years but I hated the old system as the finger print reader failed to read my finger print about 40% of the time which forced me to go to a manned counter.  Once I nearly missed my flight because the system was down completely and Thais and everyone else were forced to queue up in the main scrum, as Immigration just gave up and didn't bother to man any gates for Thais only.  I understand they started scanning more than just the one finger since my last trip.  So hopefully it is a new and more efficient system but I am not holding my breath.  My old iPhone 5 was able to read my finger print without fail.  So there is no reason why a system costing billions of baht could not do the same.

Autogates success rate for me more than 95% on departure and arrival, circa 100 of each. The 'previous' autogates which used one finger stopped working in early January 2020.

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4 hours ago, rimmae2 said:

Autogates success rate for me more than 95% on departure and arrival, circa 100 of each. The 'previous' autogates which used one finger stopped working in early January 2020.

 That's when the new system Arkady refers to was implemented. At the time, it did not work for non-Thai passports; more in the appropriate thread: 

 

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5 hours ago, rimmae2 said:

Autogates success rate for me more than 95% on departure and arrival, circa 100 of each. The 'previous' autogates which used one finger stopped working in early January 2020.

 

Thanks. I hope I might get a chance to try the autogates again in the not too distant future.  I don't need to travel and will not attempt to fly anywhere until COVID abates and we have vaccines in Thailand. Could be a long wait.

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