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7 hours ago, digbeth said:

Throwing a village party either ordination or wedding, the family is expect to at least break even or have some profit from the invitation envelopes returned with money. 

 

Being ordained even for a short time, if the temple in good area has many events such as funerals and outside blessings, the monks get the envelope for 3-400 baht per event over the course of the month, without room and board to pay, when they disrobe after a couple of months, the could get a solid chunck of money to start off in life. If there's enough monk in the temple, but being the new guy probably don't get much call out to events.

 

Now with the new year blessings, businesses call out the monks to their premises for breakfast alms, many would return with truck full of donations, yellow buckets full of mama noodles and such... seem very wasteful, and this is in addition to the normal almsround 

Not all temples are like this as not all temples have a crematorium.  I know at my temple, all monies donated to the monks went back into the temple slush fund.  Which was used for paying the electric bill, work being done by civilians, etc.  You can't paint all temples and monks the same. 

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On 7/3/2006 at 5:40 PM, bankei said:

Hi

I had previously purchased a little book called "Ordination Proceedure" which is put out by the Mahamakut Rajavidyalaya Press, and available in the bookshop opposite Wat Boworn in Bangkok.

However, there are differences in the wording used by the two nikaya (schools) in Thailand. The Mahamakut are the smaller Dhammayutika Nikaya, while the larger Nikaya is the Mahanikaya.

I ended up ordaining in a Mahanikaya Wat, so before I left I asked a monk for a copy of the proceedure for this school. I can probably email acopy to anyone in need.

Still, I found there were slight differences in wording to what I had. I also had to learn how to pronounce the Pali in the way the Thai's pronounced it. eg. 'v' becomes 'w', 'Dh' becomes 'Th'. eg Sadhu is pronounced 'Sathu'.

Regards

Bankei

 

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20 hours ago, mekong.star said:

 

I had the same book. Got it in the same place.  When I was ordaining, they told me it would be in the one style, when I got there, it was in the other.  Had to fumble through.  I studied and practiced the Mahanikaya procedure until I had it down pat.  Then they threw the Dhammayutika on me.  Ha ha ha .  

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21 hours ago, mekong.star said:

i was told i must pay approximately USD $8000.00. i refused so far.

You don't have to pay anything.  All that's required is the robes and bowl.  Everything else is secondary.  I think the robes cost about 6000 baht (approx. 20 usd)  and I can't remember how much for the bowl.  However, I know that sometimes former monks leave their bowls at the temple, you can always get one of those.  I know I left mine when I left.   Tell em to <deleted> off.  

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Just wondering why on earth someone would become a monk? Sheer social pressure combined with a lack of imagination? In my younger years when I needed to find peace I used to go off on hikes in my mountains for several days, and nothing could beat a solitary bivvy. For me being a monk implies promiscuity and rigid rules, yuck.. But please enlighten if you can.

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8 minutes ago, Momofarang said:

Just wondering why on earth someone would become a monk?


Having some form of uniform and religious paraphernalia gives you much easier access to young boys. 

 

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1 hour ago, khaowong1 said:

You don't have to pay anything.  All that's required is the robes and bowl.  Everything else is secondary.  I think the robes cost about 6000 baht (approx. 20 usd)  and I can't remember how much for the bowl.  However, I know that sometimes former monks leave their bowls at the temple, you can always get one of those.  I know I left mine when I left.   Tell em to <deleted> off.  

Sorry, I hit one to many 0's up there.  I meant to say, the average ordination robes cost approx. 600 to 1000 baht.  You can buy top of the line robes for 2000 to 3000 baht.  And I've never seen a temple that didn't have 3 or 4 extra bowls laying around that former monks have left for someone else to use.  

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55 minutes ago, Momofarang said:

Just wondering why on earth someone would become a monk? Sheer social pressure combined with a lack of imagination? In my younger years when I needed to find peace I used to go off on hikes in my mountains for several days, and nothing could beat a solitary bivvy. For me being a monk implies promiscuity and rigid rules, yuck.. But please enlighten if you can.

For myself personally, I got interested in Buddhism from being in Thailand and watching and knowing several monks.  So I tried it for 7 years.  The rules are not that rigid if you understand their reasons.  And I agree with you, a hike in the mountains is very peaceful.  I actually did this as a monk several times.  

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51 minutes ago, donnacha said:


Having some form of uniform and religious paraphernalia gives you much easier access to young boys. 

 

You seem to have some kind of fix on young boys.  Just saying. 

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If they are not usually allowed to leave the Wats why do I see so many of them in the local central mall looking at phones every day?

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19 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

You seem to have some kind of fix on young boys.  Just saying. 


Nope. Merely stating a truth that, sadly, affects every organized religion.

If you are in that game, you have to develop a thicker skin when it comes to jokes based on a universally acknowledged reality. If we were discussing the Thai police, there would probably be a few jibes about corruption.

I appreciate the knowledge and insights you have shared in this thread. I wish you and your mother well.

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On 1/10/2020 at 5:07 AM, mekong.star said:

i was told i must pay approximately USD $8000.00. i refused so far.

Hi M.

 

You are fortunate.

 

The asking fee tells you that this isn't the place to invest your money and time.

 

Continue looking, and eventually you'll find a group whose focus aligns with the Buddha's teachings.

 

After all, this is your principal aim.

 

Good luck in your search.

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7 hours ago, Momofarang said:

Just wondering why on earth someone would become a monk? Sheer social pressure combined with a lack of imagination? In my younger years when I needed to find peace I used to go off on hikes in my mountains for several days, and nothing could beat a solitary bivvy. For me being a monk implies promiscuity and rigid rules, yuck.. But please enlighten if you can.

 

I understand what you're saying, however peace of mind is not the aim of the Buddha's teachings.

 

I remember attending regular Yoga classes.

After a set of challenging body movements and stretching we were then required to lie flat our backs and close the eyes and focus on breath.

The session went for 50 minutes followed by 5 minutes lying on the mat for meditation.

The teacher would then end the class by ringing a bell.

My state was so subtle that I had no awareness of how deep I had gone until the bell rang.

 

The Yoga had done its job, by totally relaxing the body and resulting in a deep steady breath.

Clarity of mind resulted.

 

My frustration would set it.

The Yoga prepared me for deep contemplation but the teacher ended the session.

Instead of the Yoga being the beginning of my practice, it was taught as the end of it.

 

The same with a solitary hike in the mountains.

It will bring a relatively calm and peaceful state.

However in can't in itself result in Awakening.

 

 

My understanding is that the reason for Monkhood is to provide an environment in which one can practice the Buddhas teachings full time.

This would include access to full time teacher/s and freedom from distractions by way of affirmation to adhere to rules (precepts).

 

I think, thousands of years ago, release from work, which would have involved long hours of heavy toil, would have been very important in order to free ones resources towards concentration and practice.

 

These days one has the option of setting up or joining dedicated retreats in which members are seriously devoted to practice.

This can be funded via a pension, savings, family or other) with access to countless sources of advice via the internet. A resource unheard of in the Buddhas time.

 

Alternatively the Monkhood can provide an original path.

The key here is to find a Sangha containing members who are dedicated to the path.

If one is lucky enough to have members who are Awakened then their influence would be immeasurable.

 

We need to remember that Monks are afflicted by the same poisons (greed, aversion, and delusion) as all of us.

 

There will always be many who will use the robes for personal gain.

Observers focus on this and tar all and the path with the same brush.

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8 hours ago, khaowong1 said:

I had the same book. Got it in the same place.  When I was ordaining, they told me it would be in the one style, when I got there, it was in the other.  Had to fumble through.  I studied and practiced the Mahanikaya procedure until I had it down pat.  Then they threw the Dhammayutika on me.  Ha ha ha .  

Your points taken but this is Thailand, so never expect that there is communication and checking that everything is totally cocordinated and everybody knows all the details. 

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