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with apologies to Monty Python's " The Life of Brian"

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

QUOTE:  as you can see by the INFORMATION above, .... UNQUOTE

 

Do you classify the story of the easter bunny, Pinochio, etc also as "INFORMATION"?

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If by chance he turns out to be real, then many of you would have miss a chance to enter haven. I would rather choose to believe first, just in case. I don't want to miss any chance, how ever slim, to enter haven.

cheesy.gif cheesy.gif cheesy.gif Do you really believe in this heaven and hell rubbish.  How many heavens are there?  So many different gods and messiahs running around all claiming to be the one and only.

 

I couple of years ago I got called to a job in Melbourne where to guys were fighting.  It turned out they were both Jesus and were claiming each other were imposters.

 

According to Michelangelo there are 3 Jezuses.

Pope John Cleese does not agree however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Aj7W3g1qo

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

 

These other Buddhas are just that though - other Buddhas. That is, not reincarnations of each other (or of Siddharta, Gautama Buddha). One cannot return from Nibbana, it is the centre of the wheel, there are no more (re)incarnations, the point of reincarnations being to reach enlightenment and Nibbana.

 

WRT earlier posts re: Dalai Lama:

Dalai Lama is NOT a reincarnation of Siddharta either! In fact he is not even a Buddha, he is a reincarnation (actually a rebirth) of a Bodhisattva (one of four enlightened states of man: Arhat, Bodhisattva, Buddha, and Pratyekabuddha ). A Bodhisattva has attained Buddhahood, but instead choses to forgo Nibbana to help others (they are the sublime enlightened state of pure compassion).

The term "Bodhisattva" is used differently in Therevada Buddhism though (the above is Tibetan) - the Buddha (Siddharta) called his previous lives "Bodhisattva", meaning "one who is destined to be a Buddha". The parallel is obvious, and the difference is really at the heart of the difference between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism (one former relies on teachers to help others attain enlightenment, whilst the latter is about teachings - and right mind - helping the individual find their own course to the same).

 

 

Please show me your proof that you cannot return from Nibbana. I am sure I was there already twice and came back. At least I am as sure as the other monks telling some stories and avoiding any work.
 

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

 

These other Buddhas are just that though - other Buddhas. That is, not reincarnations of each other (or of Siddharta, Gautama Buddha). One cannot return from Nibbana, it is the centre of the wheel, there are no more (re)incarnations, the point of reincarnations being to reach enlightenment and Nibbana.

 

WRT earlier posts re: Dalai Lama:

Dalai Lama is NOT a reincarnation of Siddharta either! In fact he is not even a Buddha, he is a reincarnation (actually a rebirth) of a Bodhisattva (one of four enlightened states of man: Arhat, Bodhisattva, Buddha, and Pratyekabuddha ). A Bodhisattva has attained Buddhahood, but instead choses to forgo Nibbana to help others (they are the sublime enlightened state of pure compassion).

The term "Bodhisattva" is used differently in Therevada Buddhism though (the above is Tibetan) - the Buddha (Siddharta) called his previous lives "Bodhisattva", meaning "one who is destined to be a Buddha". The parallel is obvious, and the difference is really at the heart of the difference between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism (one former relies on teachers to help others attain enlightenment, whilst the latter is about teachings - and right mind - helping the individual find their own course to the same).

 

 

Please show me your proof that you cannot return from Nibbana. I am sure I was there already twice and came back. At least I am as sure as the other monks telling some stories and avoiding any work.
 

 

Nah you couldn't have - lift has been out of order for millennia, and stairs only go upwards (banisters removed on health and safety grounds). I can think of easier ways to avoid working than becoming a monk! Becoming a wealth old bag's toy boy for example.

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I think that this may be a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

 

The Thais are upset now because some one has come up with a better scam than they have going at the moment.

BORING!!!!!! facepalm.gif

 

 

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If by chance he turns out to be real, then many of you would have miss a chance to enter haven. I would rather choose to believe first, just in case. I don't want to miss any chance, how ever slim, to enter haven.


Would that be a shaven Haven?
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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

 

These other Buddhas are just that though - other Buddhas. That is, not reincarnations of each other (or of Siddharta, Gautama Buddha). One cannot return from Nibbana, it is the centre of the wheel, there are no more (re)incarnations, the point of reincarnations being to reach enlightenment and Nibbana.

 

WRT earlier posts re: Dalai Lama:

Dalai Lama is NOT a reincarnation of Siddharta either! In fact he is not even a Buddha, he is a reincarnation (actually a rebirth) of a Bodhisattva (one of four enlightened states of man: Arhat, Bodhisattva, Buddha, and Pratyekabuddha ). A Bodhisattva has attained Buddhahood, but instead choses to forgo Nibbana to help others (they are the sublime enlightened state of pure compassion).

The term "Bodhisattva" is used differently in Therevada Buddhism though (the above is Tibetan) - the Buddha (Siddharta) called his previous lives "Bodhisattva", meaning "one who is destined to be a Buddha". The parallel is obvious, and the difference is really at the heart of the difference between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism (one former relies on teachers to help others attain enlightenment, whilst the latter is about teachings - and right mind - helping the individual find their own course to the same).

 

 

Please show me your proof that you cannot return from Nibbana. I am sure I was there already twice and came back. At least I am as sure as the other monks telling some stories and avoiding any work.
 

 

It is a 'belief' system and, therefore, doesn't require proof. You are totally free to believe or disbelieve whatever you choose or not choose. 

 

 

No Phra Kru Sumon Thammakun doesn't agree.....""It's impossible for Buddha to be reincarnated," said Phra Kru Sumon Thammakun, abbot of Koke Tabaeng Temple in Sa Kaeo province."

With "It's impossible" he doesn't agree that we are totally free to believe or disbelieve. He has claimed to know what is true. So he must bring a proof.

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"He's not the Buddha, he's a very very naughty boy!"
with apologies to Monty Python's " The Life of Brian"

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I can't believe its not Buddha.

 

with apologies to Unilever.

 

Edit: (Works better if said with a Yorkshire accent).

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

QUOTE:  as you can see by the INFORMATION above, .... UNQUOTE

 

Do you classify the story of the easter bunny, Pinochio, etc also as "INFORMATION"?

 

Do you equate 'information' with 'facts'? If I were relating stories about the Easter bunny or Pinocchio then, yes, I would call that information. It is a fact that there is a story of the Easter bunny and it is a fact there is a story about a character called Pinocchio. Are the stories factual? It is not in my personal belief system but if someone wants to believe they are factual it's none of my business. Why do you care what people believe and why would it be your business to change them? I'm not in the business of telling anyone their official belief system is 'hokum' thought it sounds like you are. I respect everybody's belief system as long as it doesn't trod on my toes. My post used Theraveda dogma to prove that, by that dogma, the man who claims to be the Buddha is a fake. I don't make any claims as to the validity of Buddhism itself, one way or the other. 

Insult other people's belief system, much?

 

All you are doing, is using the story of the easter bunny to prove that the story of Pinocchio is fake.

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

 

These other Buddhas are just that though - other Buddhas. That is, not reincarnations of each other (or of Siddharta, Gautama Buddha). One cannot return from Nibbana, it is the centre of the wheel, there are no more (re)incarnations, the point of reincarnations being to reach enlightenment and Nibbana.

 

WRT earlier posts re: Dalai Lama:

Dalai Lama is NOT a reincarnation of Siddharta either! In fact he is not even a Buddha, he is a reincarnation (actually a rebirth) of a Bodhisattva (one of four enlightened states of man: Arhat, Bodhisattva, Buddha, and Pratyekabuddha ). A Bodhisattva has attained Buddhahood, but instead choses to forgo Nibbana to help others (they are the sublime enlightened state of pure compassion).

The term "Bodhisattva" is used differently in Therevada Buddhism though (the above is Tibetan) - the Buddha (Siddharta) called his previous lives "Bodhisattva", meaning "one who is destined to be a Buddha". The parallel is obvious, and the difference is really at the heart of the difference between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism (one former relies on teachers to help others attain enlightenment, whilst the latter is about teachings - and right mind - helping the individual find their own course to the same).

 

 

Please show me your proof that you cannot return from Nibbana. I am sure I was there already twice and came back. At least I am as sure as the other monks telling some stories and avoiding any work.
 

 

Nah you couldn't have - lift has been out of order for millennia, and stairs only go upwards (banisters removed on health and safety grounds). I can think of easier ways to avoid working than becoming a monk! Becoming a wealth old bag's toy boy for example.

 

 

 

I know a few small criminals who avoided work all their life, than turned into monks. In their age of 40-50 they aren't good as toy boys.

But I must admit these few really try to do good. Don't run any scam. But still they avoid work.

Look at the 1000 stories from upcountry where monks sell lottery numbers, sell lucky numbers to start construction of the house, sell lucky items that protect you from bullets, cancer, car accidents etc etc.

Of course there are a lot "good" monks. I don't see much difference between the catholic and the buddhist. A bit different marketing but the same goals.

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It is a 'belief' system and, therefore, doesn't require proof. You are totally free to believe or disbelieve whatever you choose or not choose. 

 

 

No Phra Kru Sumon Thammakun doesn't agree.....""It's impossible for Buddha to be reincarnated," said Phra Kru Sumon Thammakun, abbot of Koke Tabaeng Temple in Sa Kaeo province."

With "It's impossible" he doesn't agree that we are totally free to believe or disbelieve. He has claimed to know what is true. So he must bring a proof.

 

Not at all. He is stating it from his position of faith - to others that also claim to hold that faith. Therefore they "should" all hold it as self evident this man can not be what he claims as their shared belief, in which he is placing himself, denies such an occurrence.

 

Maybe it would be easier for you, as an outsider to both the speaker and his audience, if he had clarified with "It is impossible UNDER OUR FAITH...", but within that group it was unnecessary.

 

He is not talking of your freedom to believe or not at all - he is simply stating that under their religion it is not possible - now you are free to believe in that religion or not. This is no different from a Christian stating that Jesus Arch-Angel Gabriel will fall like Lucifer is impossible as after Lucifer was banished angels were made incarnate and no longer have free will - absurd if you do not believe in angels, God, or Christian teachings, but a truism within the faith itself.

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"So I am warning Thai people to be aware of the issue. Don't be duped by stories of his miracles. You may be fooled into losing your money."
 
But continue to dupe farangs out of their money as much as possible. 

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These other Buddhas are just that though - other Buddhas. That is, not reincarnations of each other (or of Siddharta, Gautama Buddha). One cannot return from Nibbana, it is the centre of the wheel, there are no more (re)incarnations, the point of reincarnations being to reach enlightenment and Nibbana.

 

WRT earlier posts re: Dalai Lama:

Dalai Lama is NOT a reincarnation of Siddharta either! In fact he is not even a Buddha, he is a reincarnation (actually a rebirth) of a Bodhisattva (one of four enlightened states of man: Arhat, Bodhisattva, Buddha, and Pratyekabuddha ). A Bodhisattva has attained Buddhahood, but instead choses to forgo Nibbana to help others (they are the sublime enlightened state of pure compassion).

The term "Bodhisattva" is used differently in Therevada Buddhism though (the above is Tibetan) - the Buddha (Siddharta) called his previous lives "Bodhisattva", meaning "one who is destined to be a Buddha". The parallel is obvious, and the difference is really at the heart of the difference between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism (one former relies on teachers to help others attain enlightenment, whilst the latter is about teachings - and right mind - helping the individual find their own course to the same).

 

 

Please show me your proof that you cannot return from Nibbana. I am sure I was there already twice and came back. At least I am as sure as the other monks telling some stories and avoiding any work.
 

 

It is a 'belief' system and, therefore, doesn't require proof. You are totally free to believe or disbelieve whatever you choose or not choose. 

 

 

No Phra Kru Sumon Thammakun doesn't agree.....""It's impossible for Buddha to be reincarnated," said Phra Kru Sumon Thammakun, abbot of Koke Tabaeng Temple in Sa Kaeo province."

With "It's impossible" he doesn't agree that we are totally free to believe or disbelieve. He has claimed to know what is true. So he must bring a proof.

 

Even proof/facts require belief. How many times have you presented proof to some Red trolls on this forum and they chose not to believe/accept it. As for his 'it's impossible' statement, if he uses the dogma of Theraveda Buddhism, he is correct, as far as Theraveda believers are concerned. As far as I am concerned, the abbot can preach his beliefs to himself and all who care to believe him. Maybe your request for proof should be addressed to the abbot. The point of my post was that, if the abbot used the dogma of Theraveda Buddhism, he is, indeed, correct. That is not the same as saying he is 'universally' correct, as one person who commented on my post assumed. Belief systems, by their very nature, can not be proven and cannot be disproved to a believer. If you are saying the abbot is full of humbug, you will get no argument from me as that is your belief and I will respect it. 

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Rametindallas,

 

You just gave yourself away, by using the expression "red trolls".

If you are so broad minded and accepting what others believe, why did you not say "red believers" in stead of "red trolls"?

 

And no, I am not a follower of the man that you love to hate.

 

 

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"He's not the Buddha, he's a very very naughty boy!"
with apologies to Monty Python's " The Life of Brian"

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He is the Mesiah and I should know, I've followed a few.

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Nah you couldn't have - lift has been out of order for millennia, and stairs only go upwards (banisters removed on health and safety grounds). I can think of easier ways to avoid working than becoming a monk! Becoming a wealth old bag's toy boy for example.

 

 

I know a few small criminals who avoided work all their life, than turned into monks. In their age of 40-50 they aren't good as toy boys.

But I must admit these few really try to do good. Don't run any scam. But still they avoid work.

Look at the 1000 stories from upcountry where monks sell lottery numbers, sell lucky numbers to start construction of the house, sell lucky items that protect you from bullets, cancer, car accidents etc etc.

Of course there are a lot "good" monks. I don't see much difference between the catholic and the buddhist. A bit different marketing but the same goals.

 

 

Yes understandable. However, there is a big difference between Catholic priests and Monks (Therevada Buddhist). That is, it is the priest's job to teach his flock and non believers "the truth" and lead them to heaven etc. Therevada Buddhism is a personal thing - the monk is supposed to be guiding themselves down the middle path to enlightenment. By doing wrong, they hurt themselves. There job is not to be some kind of mentor or even an idol, they are there to find their path. That path may involve teaching or helping others, sure, but that is to help themselves not to guide another specifically (although that may be the outcome) - they cannot forgive sins etc, only an individual can make a difference to their own path. A bad monk will only damage their own karma, not another's - the fact that it puts the whole Sangha in ill repute is meaningless (or should be) - it is a prideful concept and therefore an attachment; something that is sought to be removed from a monk's life altogether!

 

A Buddhist monk (Therevada) is more akin to a Franciscan Monks.

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I doubt the man says he is the reincarnation of 'THE Buddha.' More likely he would venture to say,
'A Buddha.'

There have been many Buddha-like enlightened beings, some even pre-dating Shakyamuni Buddha (the classic/historical one).

Let people go and try to soak up spiritual blessings or insight or whatever. It can't be worse than what Thai people ordinarily do: drive badly, flock to malls, stare at TV soaps and hand-held devices, worry about money, toss trash in parks, ......the list goes on ad nauseum.
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If by chance he turns out to be real, then many of you would have miss a chance to enter haven. I would rather choose to believe first, just in case. I don't want to miss any chance, how ever slim, to enter haven.


This is Buddhism. Christianity requires faith alone (some). I'm afraid wherever it is you desire to be in the long goodnight will require more than "a chance at heaven." I often choose to leave all doors open, but when you weigh your open-minded ness with such gravity as "a chance at heaven," you increase the likelihood you'll pass through the wrong door.
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I think that this may be a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
 
The Thais are upset now because some one has come up with a better scam than they have going at the moment.
BORING!!!!!! facepalm.gif
 
 

Now that is the best answer I read about this whole charade....thumbs up & I fully agree.

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these BuddhasTaṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkaralived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

QUOTE:  as you can see by the INFORMATION above, .... UNQUOTE
 
Do you classify the story of the easter bunny, Pinochio, etc also as "INFORMATION"?

The poster never commented on the epistemology of this "information," only that among custodians of such knowledge this is what they assert relative to the Buddha, past and future incarnations. Not very fair to associate him with spinners of fairy tale yarns. This data fed this thread because it is relevant and central to the OP.

It's instructive that next door we also have the "Buddha Boy." This phenomena happens in all faiths as a consequence of delusion or opportunity. This is not a regional issue.
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Religion is so beautiful and so well thought out. 

I can't tell if you're being real or facetious, methinks the latter.

 

However, as a species, people really are drawn to religion - for several reasons.  They want to be shown/told what to do, how to think.  We have these large complicated brains. Left to their own devices, most people would be even more deranged (and cause more harm) than they currently are/do.

 

With few exceptions, preachers are older men. It often happens that older men like to pontificate to as many people as possible.  A religious dais offers a platform/venue for that.

 

True freedom and the crowning human achievement is, in my view, spiritual attainment without the trappings of religion. I include Buddhism as a religion (contrary to those who defensively say it's only a philosophy).  Buddhism, in nearly all its manifestations, particularly in SE Asia, is a religion.  Additionally, SE Asia (Hinayana) Buddhism is steeped in hocus pocus (astrology, ghosts, clairvoyance, metaphysics, numerology, cards, etc etc).

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In countries where Theravāda Buddhism is practiced by the majority of people (Sri LankaCambodiaLaosBurmaThailand), it is customary for Buddhists to hold elaborate festivals, especially during the fair weather season, paying homage to the 28 Buddhas described in Chapter 27 of the Buddhavamsa. The Buddhavamsa is a text which describes the life of Gautama Buddha and the 27 Buddhas who preceded him.[1] The Buddhavamsa is part of the Khuddaka Nikāya, which in turn is part of the Sutta Piṭaka. TheSutta Piṭaka is one of three main sections of the Pāli Canon of Theravāda Buddhism.

The first three of these Buddhas—Taṇhaṅkara, Medhaṅkara, and Saraṇaṅkara—lived before the time of Dīpankara Buddha. The fourth Buddha, Dīpankara, is especially important, as he was the Buddha who gave niyatha vivarana (prediction of futureBuddhahood) to the Brahmin youth who would in the distant future become the bodhisattva Gautama Buddha.[2] After Dīpankara, 23 more noble people (ariya-puggala) would attain enlightenment before Gautama, the historical Buddha.[citation needed]

The 28 Buddhas described in the Buddhavamsa are not the only Buddhas believed to have existed. Indeed, Gautama Buddha taught that innumerable Buddhas have lived in past kalpas.[citation needed]

Many Buddhists also pay homage to the future (and 29th) BuddhaMaitreya. According to Buddhist scripture, Maitreya will be a successor of Gautama who will appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure Dharma. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (TheravādaMahāyāna, and Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been forgotten on Jambudvipa (the terrestrial realm, where ordinary human beings live).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_28_Buddhas

 

 

Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), Maithree (Sinhala), Jampa (Tibetan) or Di-Lặc (Vietnamese), is regarded as a futureBuddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.

 

Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the puredharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya refers to a time when the Dharma will have been forgotten by most on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all major Buddhist schools (TheravādaMahāyānaVajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when the Dharma will have been mostly forgotten on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya

 

As you can see by the information above, this guy is most certainly a fake

 

 

QUOTE:  as you can see by the INFORMATION above, .... UNQUOTE

 

Do you classify the story of the easter bunny, Pinochio, etc also as "INFORMATION"?

 

Do you equate 'information' with 'facts'? If I were relating stories about the Easter bunny or Pinocchio then, yes, I would call that information. It is a fact that there is a story of the Easter bunny and it is a fact there is a story about a character called Pinocchio. Are the stories factual? It is not in my personal belief system but if someone wants to believe they are factual it's none of my business. Why do you care what people believe and why would it be your business to change them? I'm not in the business of telling anyone their official belief system is 'hokum' thought it sounds like you are. I respect everybody's belief system as long as it doesn't trod on my toes. My post used Theraveda dogma to prove that, by that dogma, the man who claims to be the Buddha is a fake. I don't make any claims as to the validity of Buddhism itself, one way or the other. 

Insult other people's belief system, much?

 

All you are doing, is using the story of the easter bunny to prove that the story of Pinocchio is fake.

 

OK.... If that's what you believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySx8tSs8BQ

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