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Surely the main hospitals in Korat will know something.

As I said Lazykhao......

It is said that more than a week after it was first talked about that the local Doctors still have no idea of what the virus is.

I believe this is an irresponsible post designed to cause alarm to people with young children.

What efforts locally have you taken to determine the facts? How do you know children have died from an unknown virus? Have YOU spoken to medical professionals in the area? If so what are their names or positions. Have schools been alerted, to your personal knowledge?

You say local doctors have no idea what the virus is so you are posting here to obtain authoritative information. Do you realise how ridiculous that appears?

No doubt you will pass on forum members expert speculation to the medical authorities.

Lazykhao you may think what you want! I would however suggest that you read what has been written before you engage your brain :D

I have an 18 month old son and I am very concerned at the lack of information coming from the Thai medical authorities. I am only looking for knowledge to help me keep my son son safe and well.

Yes I have spoken to a medical professional and the outcome of the conversation is posted above. Other local farang have also spoken to medical professionals and it is the lack of information that prompted my original post.

Yes the deaths have been confirmed and are common knowledge amongst the Farang community in Korat.

You have twice called me ridiculous yet I merely wish to keep other parents informed and to see if anyone on this forum has any information to share. This topic has been running for at least 10 days on a Korat based Forum that I cannot name here.

If you find that ridiculous you have scant regard for the lives of young children!

By the by as Cheeky Farang says the 30th is weeks away not this Sunday......... :o

KC I took your post seriously and know that you were being helpful.

I was only trying to point out that the use of unprescribed medication is not a route I would follow for my son.

You can search the internet and find drugs for all maladies. It doesn't, in my book, mean they should be used unless prescribed by a doctor.

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Dereklev

Your comments taken in good faith.

Take care to have too much "faith" in doctors.

POM's "prescription only medicines" are one way of protecting medical interests.

You know the saying "Doctor knows best"

They are very knowledgeable but sometimes they presume the rest of us are not,which is not true.

After many years the NHS now allows others to take blood, give advice and prescribe some medicines. Previously the NHS claimed it was an insurance risk. Medical Technicians ( Ambulance men)now use defibrillators and give morphine.

You can buy many drugs over the counter in most countries that are unavailable to you in the UK but it hasn't stopped UK drug abuse and hasn't caused it in the other countries.

By using common sense and getting to a centre of excellence for the best advice you can guide your families health care in the direction that meets your needs.

It is always worth listening to the professionals even though you don't have to take their advice.

Let me know if you manage to find out how effective the Public Health Service is in Korat. They should have a Consultant Physician in charge who should not only be accessible but have said something publicly on this Virus, that has been claimed to have killed children, its effect on public health and what they are doing to contain it.

Edited by Korat Correct

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Dereklev,

I apologise for calling you irresponsible. I have a 6 year old daughter. I understand you are a concerned father trying to find out what is fact and what is rumour or even what is mischief making. I live in Isaan although some way from Korat. I take issue of the health of my child very seriously indeed.

The purpose of this further post is to discredit what you have read in another forum.

You say, if I understand correctly, the deaths are confirmed by the farang community. Yet you also say that they have spoken with local health professionals and there is a lack of information. So who has confirmed the deaths? Can they give the name of a health professional you could contact to verify their assertion. Do they know the name of a single dead child or the village the child is from?

You also say you spoke to your son's paediatrician who confirmed there is a potentially lethal virus. From that I assume he also could not confirm there have been deaths. This tends to discredit anything you may have read in another forum. Are you suggesting the hospitals are guilty of a cover-up?

I have heard there have been deaths from Dengue fever in Isaan, which is hardly unusual in the rainy season, but I cannot state it as a fact. I have read in the Nation or Post there is a nationwide health warning for Dengue and bacterial meningitis.

I don't know how long you have lived in Thailand but the rumour mill is alive and well. Inevitable where there are no local newspapers or TV stations.

The fact that these "confirmed rumours" started some days ago but there are no substantiating facts implies they can be disregarded. I sincerely hope I am right.

I recall that on 8 June there was a rumour going around my village that the Kings eldest daughter had died in Switzerland. This was started by 2 local police who had learnt it from police in Bangkok. They chose not to believe their own eyes. She had already been shown on Thai TV arriving back in Thailand!!!

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Derek was trying to inform people of a new virus that is killing children in the Korat area. He is not being irresponsible. I have personally been told by health a worker there has been eight confirmed deaths in children during the last week. I can also give the name of the health worker. The problem appears to be an enterovirus infection type 71, but that is yet to be confirmed. That will take a week or so before reliable tests can be made. The authorities are not releasing the news publicaly. I'm not sure why, but the Thai authorities do have a record of not releasing public health information ie SARS, so I'm not tha surprised. But regardless of the hospitals reluctance to release this information the news is still getting out.

Korat Correct: As for self treating viruses, well I will leave that to individuals to decide, but it does not sound like the correct way to go for me.

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Buriram

My oldest son almost 4 yrs, has gotten sick coffin and having slime in his troath and very hot skin, but when checking temperature he is normal 37,5 celsius.

In the morning we went to our doctor whom also delivered my son, and checked him out,

4 different bottles paracetamol, Chlorpheniamine maleate, Brompheniramine maleate, and RANCIL Amoxicillin.

He told my wife that he knew about the situation in Korat and for us to look for any stiffness or bleeding from nose etc that might occurand if so go straight to the hospital.

The thing is that my wife didnt tell me about it, i confronted her with the info from thaivisa and she sad, yes the doctor told me in the morning about it.

Idont belive that my son is that very ill but you never know so all the info i get the more i know how to respond correct.

I think there will be som topsalopsalay when she gets back later, it so typical to only say what se prefer to say as it might be difficult to explain whats it all about.

Ill get back later on the issue of his wellbeing and the shitty explanation my wife will tell about not telling the hole story.

Tjipp

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pnustedt my contacts in the health ministry in your area haven't recieved any reports of problems yet. That doesn't mean to say there isn't a problem.

Information and photos on EV 71 Hand-Foot-and-Mouth Disease can be found on this link.

http://www.ichr.uwa.edu.au/apnet/clinician/

I hope this helps in some way.

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pnustedt my contacts in the health ministry in your area haven't recieved any reports of problems yet. That doesn't mean to say there isn't a problem.

Information and photos on EV 71 Hand-Foot-and-Mouth Disease can be found on this link.

http://www.ichr.uwa.edu.au/apnet/clinician/

I hope this helps in some way.

Dereklev

You are spot on worrying about your son . My grandaughter is 7 years and going to school outside the house of course we worry about eveything. At least your son is home. I told my grand before she went to school this morning not to share her drinks or food. She said yes grandpa but I still worry. :o

My problem is with people like Korat Correct who are given medical advice with out a degree. We can all look up his info on the internet but he seems to want to be the know it all for everything. Medicine, Farming, expat club, etc. I do not know how long he has been in Thailand but for a lot of us this is not our first rodeo. We appreciate his knowledge but I think it is time that he backed off some. His jokes went no where and his resturant critques went the same way. I think he should relax a little and not try to make Isaan into something we all try to escape. :D I have many mistakes in my life and have learned from them all. I don't think that we need the sufficating advice form our mothers or Korat Correct. This is why I think the KEC should be a social club not a do gooders club. I could stand or sit with KC for hours drinking and talking about the worls and life but I don't need his know it all attitude telling me how it should be here in Thailand.

Thai Ranger

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Buriram

My oldest son almost 4 yrs, has gotten sick coffin and having slime in his troath and very hot skin, but when checking temperature he is normal 37,5 celsius.

In the morning we went to our doctor whom also delivered my son, and checked him out,

4 different bottles paracetamol, Chlorpheniamine maleate, Brompheniramine maleate, and RANCIL Amoxicillin.

He told my wife that he knew about the situation in Korat and for us to look for any stiffness or bleeding from nose etc that might occurand if so go straight to the hospital.

The thing is that my wife didnt tell me about it, i confronted her with the info from thaivisa and she sad, yes the doctor told me in the morning about it.

Idont belive that my son is that very ill but you never know so all the info i get the more i know how to respond correct.

I think there will be som topsalopsalay when she gets back later, it so typical to only say what se prefer to say as it might be difficult to explain whats it all about.

Ill get back later on the issue of his wellbeing and the shitty explanation my wife will tell about not telling the hole story.

Tjipp

Goofy,

Rest easy. You doctor obviously has diagnosed your son as suffering a bacterial infection, hence prescribing Amoxicillin.

Nose bleeding is NOT a sympton of Enterovirus 71 which is rarely fatal even in children.

Those others spouting virus 71 have not the first idea what it is. Makes them sound impressive though.

Take it easy on your wife. The Doctor could not have informed her of the alleged outbreak in Korat unless he reads a local sad farangs forum. More likely your wife will not allow you to believe you know something she doesn't. A cultural thing.

So far there is NO CONFIRMATION of an outbreak of a viral epedemic in Korat. Just members of another forum trying to outdo each other with each claiming they have unnamed sources who strangely choose to confide in farangs but not local schools. A cover up my arse!!!. Not as though it could affect the tourist industry.

There is nothing on the ministry website, the British Consul knows nothing. Local Thais know nothing, schools no nothing. Only ex-pats. You are witnessing an outbreak of mass hysteria amongst the farang community, and like most viral infections there is no cure.

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Buriram

My oldest son almost 4 yrs, has gotten sick coffin and having slime in his troath and very hot skin, but when checking temperature he is normal 37,5 celsius.

In the morning we went to our doctor whom also delivered my son, and checked him out,

4 different bottles paracetamol, Chlorpheniamine maleate, Brompheniramine maleate, and RANCIL Amoxicillin.

He told my wife that he knew about the situation in Korat and for us to look for any stiffness or bleeding from nose etc that might occurand if so go straight to the hospital.

The thing is that my wife didnt tell me about it, i confronted her with the info from thaivisa and she sad, yes the doctor told me in the morning about it.

Idont belive that my son is that very ill but you never know so all the info i get the more i know how to respond correct.

I think there will be som topsalopsalay when she gets back later, it so typical to only say what se prefer to say as it might be difficult to explain whats it all about.

Ill get back later on the issue of his wellbeing and the shitty explanation my wife will tell about not telling the hole story.

Tjipp

Goofy,

Rest easy. You doctor obviously has diagnosed your son as suffering a bacterial infection, hence prescribing Amoxicillin.

Nose bleeding is NOT a sympton of Enterovirus 71 which is rarely fatal even in children.

Those others spouting virus 71 have not the first idea what it is. Makes them sound impressive though.

Take it easy on your wife. The Doctor could not have informed her of the alleged outbreak in Korat unless he reads a local sad farangs forum. More likely your wife will not allow you to believe you know something she doesn't. A cultural thing.

So far there is NO CONFIRMATION of an outbreak of a viral epedemic in Korat. Just members of another forum trying to outdo each other with each claiming they have unnamed sources who strangely choose to confide in farangs but not local schools. A cover up my arse!!!. Not as though it could affect the tourist industry.

There is nothing on the ministry website, the British Consul knows nothing. Local Thais know nothing, schools no nothing. Only ex-pats. You are witnessing an outbreak of mass hysteria amongst the farang community, and like most viral infections there is no cure.

Diddly squat

You are Spot On

Thai Ranger

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I have to agree there appears to be no confirmation of an outbreak or it is localised.

My enquiries to members of the Health Ministry in a neighbouring province about a viral outbreak were met with a questioning “No, we don’t know of one”. It was news to them.

I mentioned the comments in this thread with claims of children dying from an unknown virus or EV71. They had received no reports.

I was directed to the web site on EV71 to give information on the virus and its affects. It was suggested the photos and information may help identify a problem or ease peoples concerns.

My contacts work in an area of the ministry that receives reports and deals with problems of this nature for their province. This doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem in another province.

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Dereklev,

You are beginning to sound hysterical.

To give credibility to your post give the name of one source and the hospital where they work.

If you are concerned about betraying a confidence you should weigh that against the lives of children that you are concerned about.

Have you contacted local schools to warn them? That will do more good than posting here.

I have 2 family members at Suraneree 2 school. I will go to the school Principal and ask why in hel_l they have not warned parents or taken precautions IF I can go armed with substantive evidence otherwise I will be treated as I am treating you.

My sister-in-law today went to the Korat Maharaj hospital, where most of the deaths were said to have occured, for a blood test. She arrived at 6am and there were 300 people waiting (typical govt hospital). Do you seriously believe a hospital which has witnessed deaths from a fatal unknown virus would not have taken precautions to avoid crowding to stop the virus spreading,

I left the other forum to join here because I realised your forum was populated by some sad people.

If a critcal word was said against Korat your members went apoplectic.

I think there may be something in the Korat water that is dulling the brains of farngs. Now that is worth investigating.

I repeat there is no evidence that 8 deaths have occurred resulting from an unknown virus.

It is because this is such serious issue that I cannot simply take your word for it.

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To explain my last post. This was in response to a nasty hysterical rant from Dereklev that disappeared whilst I was drafting my reply.

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To explain my last post. This was in response to a nasty hysterical rant from Dereklev that disappeared whilst I was drafting my reply.

I deleted my last post for my own reasons, it certainly was not a hysterical rant.

It questioned your original post and why I should have to name the person I have spoken to, or others name the people they have spoken to.

It all suggested that you know as much as your login name suggests!!

If a paediatrician I trust and respect confirms there is a virral outbreak and they are treating it as an Enterovirus then that is good enough for me.

I could not care less whether you believe what I say or not.

There are many very concerned farang parents in Korat, if you are not amonst them then as they say in Thailand...Up To You!!

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Dereklev,

You are beginning to sound hysterical.

To give credibility to your post give the name of one source and the hospital where they work.

If you are concerned about betraying a confidence you should weigh that against the lives of children that you are concerned about.

Have you contacted local schools to warn them? That will do more good than posting here.

I have 2 family members at Suraneree 2 school. I will go to the school Principal and ask why in hel_l they have not warned parents or taken precautions IF I can go armed with substantive evidence otherwise I will be treated as I am treating you.

My sister-in-law today went to the Korat Maharaj hospital, where most of the deaths were said to have occured, for a blood test. She arrived at 6am and there were 300 people waiting (typical govt hospital). Do you seriously believe a hospital which has witnessed deaths from a fatal unknown virus would not have taken precautions to avoid crowding to stop the virus spreading,

I left the other forum to join here because I realised your forum was populated by some sad people.

If a critcal word was said against Korat your members went apoplectic.

I think there may be something in the Korat water that is dulling the brains of farngs. Now that is worth investigating.

I repeat there is no evidence that 8 deaths have occurred resulting from an unknown virus.

It is because this is such serious issue that I cannot simply take your word for it.

Hi Issac

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What an objectionable person Thai Ranger is.

I suggest that before he says anthing else he asks himself three questions. Is it kind, is it necessary and is it true? Otherwise don't say it.

I do not need to rise to his insults but rest assured the comments I have given on this thread are backed up by qualification and 25 years experience.

Edited by Korat Correct

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