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Family of Sevenoaks schoolgirls missing in Thailand make plea for information

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Abducted? In any other language, this would be called kidnapped.

Abducted = kidnapped

Same same not different

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

If what you are saying is true then why have the police issued a warrant for her arrest. Really, what you have posted is complete speculation in your own mind with no grounds of the facts whatsoever. It is all based on assumption. When you go to the city hall and the mother signs that paper giving you full custody in Thailand that is the Law and i may ad some could argue it is bias towards the male rather that the female here unlike Europe.

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It always astounds me that regardless of what the opening post is about it almost always ends up with TV members berating each other. Really incredible how often this happens. So many do-gooders and angry people here. If we were all together in a bar discussing this then I'm sure all the furniture would have been smashed to pieces and the ambulances called a long time ago. Just my 2p on the phenomenon.

Isn't that what TV is here for? Get some info out there and give a lot of cross-culturally frustrated farangs a chance to vent?

Its an integral part of my sanity strategy. But surely we can all be friends after?

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

Well Dr Lom what is your view or Thai Law knowledge you seem or think you have in answer to the arrest warrant issued for his ex wife. Love to hear your response to that.

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I live in Thailand and have full custody of my first born. Because my ex and I were not married she automatically gained full custody of her and I am not even recognized as the father until we marry or go to court. We broke up and I went to court with a 2 tiered request. To be recognized as the father and to gain full custody which was granted.

If I hand my child to her mother and she is not returned then it is kidnapping. Obviously the police here think that to due to the arrests warrant out on her. I commend him for the dedication and commitment he has made in trying to get his kids back. I empathize with him as it would rip my heart out if I was in the same predicament.

I hope they are returned as soon as possible and the woman held to account. For a father to be granted full custody is apparently rare in Thailand so one can be assured there is a combination of her being an unfit mother and him being an exemplary father.

Good luck.

Thailand is not that big Chooka,, there would be clues and information Thai's don't miss anything, the police need to be more pro active, some one knows something, just who remains to be seen.

The police will do nothing unless they are specifically paid to perform any duty that requires extra footwork, plus a promise of further payment when successful !

Where is Prayut on this,international case,ought to be worth his while to polish up the junta's image abroad.

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

The visit was at the farther's discretion {he has sole custody, I believe]. There was a time limit on the visit. The mother ignored this and abducted the children. That is how it works everywhere I would think, the fact the police are looking for her to return the children to their father would indicate the law is on his side.

Might not be me who wants to sort out their facts, eh.

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I don't know if the BiB could do this legally, and I am just spouting off after looking at my 2 kids and thinking about this.

What I would want to see if I was the father though is an appeal to the boyfriend, in all the newspapers, saying.

"We don't know if you have anything to do with it and if you don't and are on a beach somewhere fine, drop into the police station and let us know.

If on the other hand you do know something, you are an accessory to a very serious crime, if you help us recover the kids we will take you to the airport and put you on an airplane, best not to come back.

If you don't come forward, when we find you, when not if. We are going to inspect every millimeter of your large intestine everyday for the next 15 years!"

I bet that would get buddy thinking!

There is every chance that the boyfriend has absolutely no idea that the kids are being looked for. The newspapers and TV should start publishing his name and picture asap, and call him in.

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

You my friend, have not been paying attention. The Thai police reviewed the custody papers and issued an arrest warrant for the mother. That means the police agree she is guilty of abducting the children. If you want to say absconding that is simply splitting hairs, but I do not agree. The minute these children were not returned to their father they were abducted.

This mother is one of the most despicable low life's this world of ours produces. The father did his duty and brought the girls to visit their mother and the mother stepped all over that trust and she obviously does not care one iota about the girl's education and what all this is doing to them.

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Just offer a couple of million Baht reward for their return - instant action guaranteed.

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I don't know if the BiB could do this legally, and I am just spouting off after looking at my 2 kids and thinking about this.

What I would want to see if I was the father though is an appeal to the boyfriend, in all the newspapers, saying.

"We don't know if you have anything to do with it and if you don't and are on a beach somewhere fine, drop into the police station and let us know.

If on the other hand you do know something, you are an accessory to a very serious crime, if you help us recover the kids we will take you to the airport and put you on an airplane, best not to come back.

If you don't come forward, when we find you, when not if. We are going to inspect every millimeter of your large intestine everyday for the next 15 years!"

I bet that would get buddy thinking!

There is every chance that the boyfriend has absolutely no idea that the kids are being looked for. The newspapers and TV should start publishing his name and picture asap, and call him in.

Absolutely you are correct, there is every chance he knows absolutely nothing about it. However I would think he is a person of interest who should be located and questioned. No stone unturned in a case like this.

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

I think you are entirely wrong. If he was awarded custody it would have been by a Thai court and the mother cannot simply run off with them under the law. The fact she has and Thais all help each other against foreigners whenever there is conflict the father has an uphill battle. Wouldn't it be nice if the Thai press could take some responsibility and publish the story as well.

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Does anybody commenting here actually know if this "Full Custody" was granted by a Thai Court in Thailand, or by the UK court in the UK?

Could make the applicable laws quite different.

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