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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

You have no idea what you are talking about. A father is able to get full custody in Thailand. In this case that is what has happened and her not returning the children makes this kidnapping.

Prove what you just said.

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I was hoping they would have been found by now.

Has this story been covered by the Thai language national press and TV?

I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Im not sure what you're a doctor of but it sure ain't law. Maybe macrame or flower arranging?

If the mother took them from their legal guardian without a court order or the guardians permission its abduction.

That the law here, and and in the west.

If their legal guardian does'nt know where they are, they are missing.

You need to get your facts right before pouring out.

The mother was HANDED the children, quite obviously wihthout written paperwork regarding the time of stay. That is cleat, is it not?

Thus - she didn't TAKE them.

The law of the WEST does not apply here; can you wrap that up in soft cotton wool into your brain?

Yep - they're missing from Daddie's point of view.

Facts are facts - despite your Western FACTS.

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Usual Thai Visa pedantry.

Can anybody actually help trace these children?

That is the yardstick for what constitutes a useful contribution.

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

When will you Brits "ever" get the message. This is NOT the UK. Good morning. Its long past due time, to wake-up, and smell the coffee. This IS still the Kingdom of Siam. Possession here is definitely 9/10th. of the law. And no! Its not a Thai News Media, "News Worthy" story. Care to venture a guess, as to why not? whistling.gif

A: I'm not a Brit. lived there most of my life till my 20s though, so guess that's a mistake that many make ;-].

B: the police are searching for the mother in order to return the children to their father. So possession is not 9/10 of the law it would seem.

C: it's not the Kingdom of Siam, it's Thailand.

D: I'm awake. Are you?

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

I am sure the last thing Mr. Day needs is the advice from another barstool lawyer, I would imagine by now he knows exactly what the laws are and what his rights are.

As for parental responsibility being 50/50, your correct it is, until a court order is issued otherwise: ie. FULL CUSTODY

IMO pseudo self delusional barstool lawyer. chatting a real lawyer on a barstool is a pleasantly enlightening experience. evan non lawyers can easily understand concepts like "court awarded full custody"

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heres a pic of the mother. i have seen that empty indifferent facial expression many times in dealing with an alcoholic female.

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heres a pic of the mother. i have seen that empty indifferent facial expression many times in dealing with an alcoholic female.

Rhetoric doesn't quite help on this one.

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I was hoping they would have been found by now.

Has this story been covered by the Thai language national press and TV?

I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Im not sure what you're a doctor of but it sure ain't law. Maybe macrame or flower arranging?

If the mother took them from their legal guardian without a court order or the guardians permission its abduction.

That the law here, and and in the west.

If their legal guardian does'nt know where they are, they are missing.

You need to get your facts right before pouring out.

The mother was HANDED the children, quite obviously wihthout written paperwork regarding the time of stay. That is cleat, is it not?

Thus - she didn't TAKE them.

The law of the WEST does not apply here; can you wrap that up in soft cotton wool into your brain?

Yep - they're missing from Daddie's point of view.

Facts are facts - despite your Western FACTS.

If you are handed something/someone (kids, a car, a phone, anything thats not yours in law) and the agreement is you will return it/them at a certain time, but instead you p@ss off with it/them without lawful excuse, I would hazard a guess thats stealing in any culture my learned friend.

Its a pretty basic social and legal principle! And its not solely western!

She clearly took them - you can split hairs all you want about the meaning of 'took' but she had no right to them (it seems, and the Thai police agree prima facie) after the date and time she agreed to return them.

You can say black is white all you like but it dont make it so!

BTW, can I borrow your car for the weekend? I promise I will have it back Sunday night....or whenever.

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I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Im not sure what you're a doctor of but it sure ain't law. Maybe macrame or flower arranging?

If the mother took them from their legal guardian without a court order or the guardians permission its abduction.

That the law here, and and in the west.

If their legal guardian does'nt know where they are, they are missing.

You need to get your facts right before pouring out.

The mother was HANDED the children, quite obviously wihthout written paperwork regarding the time of stay. That is cleat, is it not?

Thus - she didn't TAKE them.

The law of the WEST does not apply here; can you wrap that up in soft cotton wool into your brain?

Yep - they're missing from Daddie's point of view.

Facts are facts - despite your Western FACTS.

It was stated weeks ago that the courts in THAILAND gave the father FULL custody which is why they were living with him in England. He brought them back for a visit. You make it sound like "Oh once he turns them over she has custody" Really? So how long can she keep them 10 weeks? 10 years? He has legal custody given to him by Thai court which is why once he showed the paperwork to Thai police and they saw she had no joint 50/50 custody rights they issued a warrent for her arrest. The reason why they say her new husband may be aisisting her is he basically is hiding as well.

Do you know the legalities of the custody offer made? Normally, conducive to if you want full custody - take them and be gone. The mother never loses 50% parental care, unless she is a convicted person, in Thailand. Why do you keep on looking at this from a Western law point of view?

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I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Im not sure what you're a doctor of but it sure ain't law. Maybe macrame or flower arranging?

If the mother took them from their legal guardian without a court order or the guardians permission its abduction.

That the law here, and and in the west.

If their legal guardian does'nt know where they are, they are missing.

You need to get your facts right before pouring out.

The mother was HANDED the children, quite obviously wihthout written paperwork regarding the time of stay. That is cleat, is it not?

Thus - she didn't TAKE them.

The law of the WEST does not apply here; can you wrap that up in soft cotton wool into your brain?

Yep - they're missing from Daddie's point of view.

Facts are facts - despite your Western FACTS.

If you are handed something/someone (kids, a car, a phone, anything thats not yours in law) and the agreement is you will return it/them at a certain time, but instead you p@ss off with it/them without lawful excuse, I would hazard a guess thats stealing in any culture my learned friend.

Its a pretty basic social and legal principle! And its not solely western!

She clearly took them - you can split hairs all you want about the meaning of 'took' but she had no right to them (it seems, and the Thai police agree prima facie) after the date and time she agreed to return them.

You can say black is white all you like but it dont make it so!

BTW, can I borrow your car for the weekend? I promise I will have it back Sunday night....or whenever.

What date and time did she agree to return the children again?

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He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

I am sure the last thing Mr. Day needs is the advice from another barstool lawyer, I would imagine by now he knows exactly what the laws are and what his rights are.

As for parental responsibility being 50/50, your correct it is, until a court order is issued otherwise: ie. FULL CUSTODY

IMO pseudo self delusional barstool lawyer. chatting a real lawyer on a barstool is a pleasantly enlightening experience. evan non lawyers can easily understand concepts like "court awarded full custody"

Another Westerner talking with a Western point of view. You never left home - did you Peter Pans?

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He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

I am sure the last thing Mr. Day needs is the advice from another barstool lawyer, I would imagine by now he knows exactly what the laws are and what his rights are.

As for parental responsibility being 50/50, your correct it is, until a court order is issued otherwise: ie. FULL CUSTODY

IMO pseudo self delusional barstool lawyer. chatting a real lawyer on a barstool is a pleasantly enlightening experience. evan non lawyers can easily understand concepts like "court awarded full custody"

Another Westerner talking with a Western point of view. You never left home - did you Peter Pans?

What part of a Thai court (not western) awarded him 100% custody of the kids that you can't grasp?

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