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Family of Sevenoaks schoolgirls missing in Thailand make plea for information

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

Of course it is! Some dolt not-so-cleverly quoting dictionary 'by definitions' to make a point is actually missing the point entirely!!.. these girls have been snatched (my definition!), as you say by someone who doesn't have them in their 'parental custody'!!.. yep, that (by any court's definition!!) is abduction and always will be!!! wai.gif

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My best hopes for this thread were:

1. Information.

2. Suggestions how to trace the mother.

My expectations were:

1. A load of pedantry around the legal status of the case.

2. Calls to arms - meaning suggestions that a few farangs with baseball bats would likely achieve more than the police.

3. Suggestions that tea money should be paid, or greater tea money should be paid, if the police retirement fund has already been enhanced.

So, I've been disappointed on two counts, but number 1 is being resolutely pursued. Anybody got any information? Anybody got any ideas on how to trace, especially given the limited geographic parameters.

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

You have no idea what you are talking about. A father is able to get full custody in Thailand. In this case that is what has happened and her not returning the children makes this kidnapping.

Prove what you just said.

What do you want me to prove that a father can get full custody? That will take a few days as i have to get my friend to give me a copy of his judgement from Thai court.

To prove the mother has commited kidnapping well, the police have issued an arrest warrant for her. Are you not reading what is going on?

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What date and time did she agree to return the children again?

Well when she is arrested will you be representing her? (do they allow council to sit on bar stools?)

The judge will probably send both of you down.cheesy.gif

Which I think may be very unfortunate for he, even though she has committed a crime nothing so far has convinced me otherwise that she is a mother who loves her children, it is a sorry situation that seems to come about because she deserted her children for what ever reason.

Most important thing is to get the children back to their farther.

Edit in: Just twigged the good Dr, who only registered last week, googled "Lom" clap2.gif

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go to the mothers home town and offer the police and the grandparents 500,000 baht for information leading to the recovery of the kids...the police will twist a few arms or the gp will cash their daughter in for the money

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just so sad for the kids they come to Thailand with their Dad (who foolishly trusted his ex - well she IS Thai) and then she puts her needs above the law AND the kids AND the Dad, but as I said, she IS Thai and they have no concept of ethics as far as I have been able to see in the years I have been here

anyway good luck and hope they are home soon and NEVER set eyes on their mother again

You live in a country where you obviously mistrust the people and are almost racist against them!!! Perhaps the circles you move in involve people you cant trust..this attitude is unhelpful in this post and in my opinion should be removed...

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My view is also "motivational", be it money or baseball bats, with either to family, friends, fellow villagers (I'm assuming there that's she's not from Ayudthaya city, but nearby). I'd look into friends from other areas. My assumption there is a bar girl history; and they can be very close. That, obviously means tracing that history in Pattaya and Phuket. The solution may lie in any known area that the woman has been involved in, but equally, for instance, Isaan.

Do I believe the police are doing any of this? No. Or, at least, not without quantum amounts of tea money - another part of my comment in the previous paragraph.

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I was hoping they would have been found by now.

Has this story been covered by the Thai language national press and TV?

I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Of course they are abducted, she has taken them with the intent of not returning them, that is abduction. The Thai police have issued a warrant for her arrest so it seems they disagree with your "analysis".

These girls need to be returned, their father and family is distraught. Your comments are not helpful.

I hope they are returned safe and sound very soon.

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I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Don't know what your point is. In all American states this kind of thing is kidnapping, or abduction, if you will. I think the federal law includes it, but am not sure. It is unfortunately not uncommon. Sometimes it is used in divorce cases as a way to pressure the other party to a more favorable settlement. Sometimes it's because the parent who was denied custody believes they should have custody despite the court's finding. It's very rare for a child to be kidnapped by a stranger -- almost all kidnappings are by family members or persons well known to the child. Are you saying that under English law this is not abduction?

Why do you think they are no longer in Thailand?

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If it is believed that the new husband has anything to do with this he could find himself barred from Thailand.

Being barred from Thailand is not necessarily a bad thing.

See ya!

can you just feel the Love of Thai visa posters.

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Can't be too hard to find those kids here in Thailand as soon as the Army gets involved, unless there is more to this story.....

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I don't know if the BiB could do this legally, and I am just spouting off after looking at my 2 kids and thinking about this.

What I would want to see if I was the father though is an appeal to the boyfriend, in all the newspapers, saying.

"We don't know if you have anything to do with it and if you don't and are on a beach somewhere fine, drop into the police station and let us know.

If on the other hand you do know something, you are an accessory to a very serious crime, if you help us recover the kids we will take you to the airport and put you on an airplane, best not to come back.

If you don't come forward, when we find you, when not if. We are going to inspect every millimeter of your large intestine everyday for the next 15 years!"

I bet that would get buddy thinking!

There is every chance that the boyfriend has absolutely no idea that the kids are being looked for. The newspapers and TV should start publishing his name and picture asap, and call him in.

'There is every chance that the boyfriend has absolutely no idea'

I am sorry, but I think it is the other way around, and he is not 'the new boyfriend' he is the new 'husband'.

You think your wife can just abduct 2 children under your nose and not know about it or even be suspicious?

No matter what this woman may have told her new husband, or even convinced him the real father no longer wants the girls and the girls will go along with this story?... against their father they have exclusively lived with all their cognitive life?

The kids must be going nuts for a dad who they almost certainly have a lot of love for. Their stronger bond will be with their father. That is nothing other than pure logic.

These kids are being held against their will, I can almost guarantee that, and I can almost guarantee that the 'new husband' knows everything he is in fact involved with.

Also, The mother is on the run, and obviously there are many places she can no longer go, surely that would ring alarm bells..... Could this woman fool YOU in this situation???.. I doubt that.

I have a very sneaky and niggling suspicion that the member DrLom who seems to be just about the only person on this thread taking the defensive stance for the mother in the face of huge criticism, and the way his defense seems to be constructed seems to be that of someone who is living in blind denial.

I have a very slight suspicion that DrLom could well be the 'new husband'... Just my own personal suspicion. I just can't see any other motivation for his rationale.

Anyway, the 'new husband' is also missing and not been seen for the same amount of time as these little girls. The police would have almost certainly checked out his registered address on his visa. By law he has obviously failed to inform the immigration service about his change of circumstances. Maybe I am wrong, but I assume if you no longer live at the address on your visa, then you have to declare it immediately.

Maybe his 90 days report is almost up, and you definitely have to do that... If he does not show at an immigration, then he is going down for a long time when the authorities get him.... The BiB apathy in most of these cases is one thing, but once the farang is here illegally and now part of the case, then if Thailand is true to its xenophobic attitude, I can see it being ramped up with police, army, immigration and a certain embassy getting involved.

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Just offer a couple of million Baht reward for their return - instant action guaranteed.

You are absolutely correct.

The money they have piled into this, if it was instead made available as a cash reward and used facebook etc to send it viral, I would think it would be just days before someone found them... Probably a family member of the mother.

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Sadly, I suspect that they've been dead for quite some time, now. sad.png Medieval punishment for their abductors/murderers. vampire.gif

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Some off topic posts and replies have been removed as well as a post in violation of fair use policy.

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