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Family of Sevenoaks schoolgirls missing in Thailand make plea for information

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I was hoping they would have been found by now.

Has this story been covered by the Thai language national press and TV?

I doubt by now they are very much 'missing in Thailand'.

Edit: Also, they were not abducted; they were handed to mother by father for a visit. If she absconded with them, then that by definition is not abducting.

The article needs to get its facts right before pouring out, as yet, still unknowns.

Parental Abduction or Kidnapping is when one parent takes the children and refuses to return them or if one parent removes the child to an unknown location in an attempt to deny visitation or access of the other parent, even without a standing custody decision, it is considered Parental Abduction or Kidnapping. Virginia Code § 18.2-47

http://morsepi.com/investigation-services/virginia-child-custody/parental-abduction-kidnapping/

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So many punters on here ripping off a punter and accusing him of not reading the full facts.

Pity none of them read the full thread before they posted their comment, which is often almost identical to a comment that appears several places on every page of the thread.

Not reading before sounding off is par for the course on Thai Visa

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What is her background?

I saw one small photo of her head and it looked like a mugshot. The height scale thing was behind her - the ones you see in mugshots.

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The abducted kids are being used as "bargaining chips" or emotional hostages to prise money out of the father. Doubtless Mummy has a Thai b/f with gambling /drug/ bank debts helping her along.

If the Father has sole custody of the kids, he should never have returned them to her even for a "visit". No good turn goes unpunished with people like that.

I think that you will find that the court order allowed the mother the right to have the children for short annual periods.
She could have come to England (on her expense) to exercise her right...

Big mistake from the father - leave the kids out of sight with the mother --- while doing his "Pattaya Temple Tour Holyday"; responsible father,(unemployed?), still living with his parents, my arse!

The Norwegian new husband? Would you give your vulnerable daughters in a setting like this?

I think this Norwegian guy is the sick mastermind behind all this.

I feel sorry for the girls...but all adults involved (incl. grand parents) deserve themselves.

So Rob (the father of the children) lives with his parents does he??

I don't know where you got that from but when I stayed down at HIS house in December his Mum and Dad for sure were not there ;)

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@ Dr Lom I have never ever read so much nonsense from one man,please do your homework on this case before spouting your drivel...

Please everyone (who has threadf***) throughout this important thread let's get back to the original idea of the thread and maybe help instead of being the big "I know all things Thai"

Thank You :)

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Hi

how about making up a poster we could download . happy to stick one in the back of my car and sure many other people will also. Helps keep the surch alive and reminds people of their faces

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If you abscond with children who are not in your parental custody surely that is abduction.

He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

A child court order in Thailand is very similar to the western world, and if the mother has the right to see the child a time will be written into the order that she is legally allowed to have that child in her custody

You will also find in the order she is required at all time to keep the father notified of the child's were about's

Additionally: there are court orders / custody arrangements as well in Thailand where the mother has visiting right ONLY under supervision of the male party, the father. So no shopping, driving around with the child. Only with and with permission of the dad. Talking from experience.

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Any help appreciated.Please no more threadf*** and arguments this is a serious topic.

Thank You :)

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He shall have been awarded 'custody' for sure, but in Thailand parental responsibility is 50/50 and never intended to be devisive. If the children are in Thailand, then legally (and unfortunately, in this case), and in law, she has as much right to that parental responsibility. Thus, it is not abduction. As soon as he handed them into the 'parental care of mother', on a formal, even if ad hoc, basis, he handed parental responsibility for the time they are with her. If that time was not agreed on paper, in a contractual form, then the mother has done nothing wrong. (again, I re-iterate, unfortunately). Such issues are delicate matters where children are involved, and anybody should read this forum with severity at mind. Sort out the law, before you assume it works the way it does in your home country.

I am sure the last thing Mr. Day needs is the advice from another barstool lawyer, I would imagine by now he knows exactly what the laws are and what his rights are.

As for parental responsibility being 50/50, your correct it is, until a court order is issued otherwise: ie. FULL CUSTODY

IMO pseudo self delusional barstool lawyer. chatting a real lawyer on a barstool is a pleasantly enlightening experience. evan non lawyers can easily understand concepts like "court awarded full custody"

Another Westerner talking with a Western point of view. You never left home - did you Peter Pans?

If as you believe, there is nothing wrong under thai law, then the police/thai authorities would not be taking action. perhaps you should contact all the parties and tell them "mai mee pan ha" no problem.

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If you have the identity card number of the mother you go to any amphur and pay someone to lookup all addresses she has lived and which is the current name.

That way you can also find the address of her parents and possible ex-husband (if she has one).

You can pay someone at immigration to lookup the address of the foreign husband and inform the immigration office he's reporting too.

You can take the identity card number to the social security office and if you pay them they can find the address of her current and last employer.

If you have her mobile phone number, you can pay her bills in a DTAC or AIS office and you also get a receipt which has an address.

The police can ask for a record of mobile phone locations. To which locations did she like to travel often before disappearing?

Other links are old friends from work.

I would focus on the areas around those addresses.

I am looking for somebody that did something terrible to us and there's an arrest warrant against him.

But we can't find him.

The police basically does nothing. Our case is less serious than this.

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@kriswillems

Lovely to see a useful and sensible reply.

Have you or any others out there any thoughts on employing a private detective?

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This post should be closed now the mother was found in Bangkok with the kids and was arrested by Thai police. The 2 girls were reunited with thier dad who has sole custody of them. The will stay in Thailand one week then return to Britain, happy ending for the brit and his daughters.

link to story -------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyZ53el2exs

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The abducted kids are being used as "bargaining chips" or emotional hostages to prise money out of the father. Doubtless Mummy has a Thai b/f with gambling /drug/ bank debts helping her along.

If the Father has sole custody of the kids, he should never have returned them to her even for a "visit". No good turn goes unpunished with people like that.

I think that you will find that the court order allowed the mother the right to have the children for short annual periods.

She could have come to England (on her expense) to exercise her right...

Big mistake from the father - leave the kids out of sight with the mother --- while doing his "Pattaya Temple Tour Holyday"; responsible father,(unemployed?), still living with his parents, my arse!

The Norwegian new husband? Would you give your vulnerable daughters in a setting like this?

I think this Norwegian guy is the sick mastermind behind all this.

I feel sorry for the girls...but all adults involved (incl. grand parents) deserve themselves.

You are seriously blaming the father?

The bloke who fought for custody and raised his daughters in a decent stable environment?

Jesus christ.....the bitterness

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I don't know if the BiB could do this legally, and I am just spouting off after looking at my 2 kids and thinking about this.

What I would want to see if I was the father though is an appeal to the boyfriend, in all the newspapers, saying.

"We don't know if you have anything to do with it and if you don't and are on a beach somewhere fine, drop into the police station and let us know.

If on the other hand you do know something, you are an accessory to a very serious crime, if you help us recover the kids we will take you to the airport and put you on an airplane, best not to come back.

If you don't come forward, when we find you, when not if. We are going to inspect every millimeter of your large intestine everyday for the next 15 years!"

I bet that would get buddy thinking!

There is every chance that the boyfriend has absolutely no idea that the kids are being looked for. The newspapers and TV should start publishing his name and picture asap, and call him in.

'There is every chance that the boyfriend has absolutely no idea'

I am sorry, but I think it is the other way around, and he is not 'the new boyfriend' he is the new 'husband'.

You think your wife can just abduct 2 children under your nose and not know about it or even be suspicious?

No matter what this woman may have told her new husband, or even convinced him the real father no longer wants the girls and the girls will go along with this story?... against their father they have exclusively lived with all their cognitive life?

The kids must be going nuts for a dad who they almost certainly have a lot of love for. Their stronger bond will be with their father. That is nothing other than pure logic.

These kids are being held against their will, I can almost guarantee that, and I can almost guarantee that the 'new husband' knows everything he is in fact involved with.

Also, The mother is on the run, and obviously there are many places she can no longer go, surely that would ring alarm bells..... Could this woman fool YOU in this situation???.. I doubt that.

I have a very sneaky and niggling suspicion that the member DrLom who seems to be just about the only person on this thread taking the defensive stance for the mother in the face of huge criticism, and the way his defense seems to be constructed seems to be that of someone who is living in blind denial.

I have a very slight suspicion that DrLom could well be the 'new husband'... Just my own personal suspicion. I just can't see any other motivation for his rationale.

Anyway, the 'new husband' is also missing and not been seen for the same amount of time as these little girls. The police would have almost certainly checked out his registered address on his visa. By law he has obviously failed to inform the immigration service about his change of circumstances. Maybe I am wrong, but I assume if you no longer live at the address on your visa, then you have to declare it immediately.

Maybe his 90 days report is almost up, and you definitely have to do that... If he does not show at an immigration, then he is going down for a long time when the authorities get him.... The BiB apathy in most of these cases is one thing, but once the farang is here illegally and now part of the case, then if Thailand is true to its xenophobic attitude, I can see it being ramped up with police, army, immigration and a certain embassy getting involved.

You have absolutely no idea about how naive farangs can be.

If his missus told him that the ex husband has agreed for her to have the kids for 2 months on holiday. Who would he ask in order to get a different answer? As long as the kids are happy and he doesn't know they are being looked for, the entire family could be lying to him and he has no clue.

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