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Hat Yai: Co-pilot of budget airline passes out during flight and later dies

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What a very strange comments that people will NOT fly Lion Air because a pilot dies on the flight deck. What does this have to do with Lion Air.

Having said this I am aware off certain short comings in Lion Air but things are improving fast. They are a huge airline now Malindo/Batik/wings/Lion Thai/Lion. They have their own flight school, training center and simulators. Right now Thai Lion is a much safer airline to fly on than Nok Air. Unfortunately I can not get into details here but lets put it nicely; Nok Air is not taking safety serious.

P2F; yes I am aware of this; Ryanair comes to mind and many other airlines in the world... So if a pilot is willing to pay to fly why Lion Air can take those guys too,

LOL sounds like you have vested interest in Lion AIr....

9 serious incidents in only the past 13 years! with 25 recorded fatalities.....

work that one out Captain.. cheesy.gif

In my first post I mentioned That Lion air did have their problems and has worked very hard to improve. It is very successful in this and currently under consideration to be removed from the EU blacklist. Many incidents in Indonesia are due to the extremely bad runway surfaces their which makes braking difficult. to improve air safety in Indonesia a massive investment is needed to bring runways to International standards (including those at CGK and DPS). And yes I have interest in Lion Air as aviation is my job!

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Oh well guess it was his time, Sad but completly natural, and as for the Bali incedent

no one can blame the run way the plane missed it and it went strait in the drink!

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thanks God they have always two persons in the cockpit

Dream on if you think that there are always two pilots in the cockpit!

It would be helpful if you could backup your comment with some tangible or credible evidence.

Or are you a commercial Pilot that has broken the law and gone PIC under a commercial IFR flight?

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Oh well guess it was his time, Sad but completly natural, and as for the Bali incedent

no one can blame the run way the plane missed it and it went strait in the drink!

Just like the OZ incident at SFO. you can do training and training and training but human error remains a factor on ALL airlines. Didn't LH land on a runway that was still in progress of being build in Poland recently??

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.... and the dude died...don't let your ghost attack all these drunkards here on TV who don't know a shit about heart attack....just RIP

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....with all of these epidemics.....I hope we will be told what he died from.....

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Bagging Lion air? What about praising them for being able to land the plane safely while 50% of the landing team was having a heart attack at the controls?

In my small home town, a major industry is helicopters and fixed wing (smaller aircrafts). 20 years ago when I used to go out a lot I would always see pilots drunkingly sculling down their last pints and shots a few minutes before 10pm as they had to stick to the 8 hour dry before you fly rule as they all started flying at 6am. They were the people like the poster above who I would avoid.

What little I know about Lion I am not at liberty to discuss, But, a couple of things come to mind about this posting and the usual "Expert" Comments.

As a Retired USAF Flight Engineer the rule was "10 hours from bottle to throttle", I am sure most airlines have a similar rule. Problem is it is an honor system as airlines do not have "Drinking Rule Police". As a Crew we always looked out for each other, as an Examiner I needed to be aware of any potential violations.

Almost all of todays commercial aircraft can be flown by one pilot, since most do not have Flight Engineers and controls at his station.the one pilot could not reach. Yes, there is a reason that two pilots are required on commercial aircraft, Safety !!

As to P2F, I understand that even the best Air Force Fighter Pilot needs Mulitple Engine Time and Pilot in Command to obtain additional Ratings.

Happy Flying and in my opinion EVA is one of the Best Airlines I have had any dealing with in my 60 plus years of aircraft maintenance and management.

Just curious in what aspect do you consider EVA one of the best airlines? is that point of view from being in aircraft maintenance / management or passenger? What makes them one of the best?

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What a very strange comments that people will NOT fly Lion Air because a pilot dies on the flight deck. What does this have to do with Lion Air.

Having said this I am aware off certain short comings in Lion Air but things are improving fast. They are a huge airline now Malindo/Batik/wings/Lion Thai/Lion. They have their own flight school, training center and simulators. Right now Thai Lion is a much safer airline to fly on than Nok Air. Unfortunately I can not get into details here but lets put it nicely; Nok Air is not taking safety serious.

P2F; yes I am aware of this; Ryanair comes to mind and many other airlines in the world... So if a pilot is willing to pay to fly why Lion Air can take those guys too,

Agree completely. Astonishing how some so called"western educated" posters equate this incident with the quality of an airline. IMO since airasia fired non malay experienced pilots so they could replace them with newly graduated locals I'd say give Lion credit for choosing an experienced/higher salary copilot over an assembly line graduate. AA has their own pilot school hopefully for quality and not just quantity at a lower price.

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Bagging Lion air? What about praising them for being able to land the plane safely while 50% of the landing team was having a heart attack at the controls?

In my small home town, a major industry is helicopters and fixed wing (smaller aircrafts). 20 years ago when I used to go out a lot I would always see pilots drunkingly sculling down their last pints and shots a few minutes before 10pm as they had to stick to the 8 hour dry before you fly rule as they all started flying at 6am. They were the people like the poster above who I would avoid.

What little I know about Lion I am not at liberty to discuss, But, a couple of things come to mind about this posting and the usual "Expert" Comments.

As a Retired USAF Flight Engineer the rule was "10 hours from bottle to throttle", I am sure most airlines have a similar rule. Problem is it is an honor system as airlines do not have "Drinking Rule Police". As a Crew we always looked out for each other, as an Examiner I needed to be aware of any potential violations.

Almost all of todays commercial aircraft can be flown by one pilot, since most do not have Flight Engineers and controls at his station.the one pilot could not reach. Yes, there is a reason that two pilots are required on commercial aircraft, Safety !!

As to P2F, I understand that even the best Air Force Fighter Pilot needs Mulitple Engine Time and Pilot in Command to obtain additional Ratings.

Happy Flying and in my opinion EVA is one of the Best Airlines I have had any dealing with in my 60 plus years of aircraft maintenance and management.

that 10 hour rule has a fallacy in that if a person overdoes it even after 10 hours their cognitive/ motor abilities can still be impaired.

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Excellent airline - planes that fly from BKK to HDY are brand-new 737-900ERs which were delivered in November 2013.

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This was a very unfortunate incident and it has nothing to do with the quality of Lion Air : I have a good impression after having taken several of their flights in Thailand and in Indonesia.

how do you know it has nothing to do with Lion air?

Ok I'll bite. How might Lion Air be responsible for this death? As far as I know the cause of death isn't known although a heart attack has been mentioned which wouldn't be an uncommon occurrence. If you think that Lion Air might be responsible for this it's probably a criminal offence so I suggest you get on down to the police station right now.

Just a thought it might be the pilot put something in his coffee. Or maybe one of the flight crew. It might have been someone before he got on the plane possibly even something slow working given a few hours before. There's loads of possibilities for someone with a vivid imagination.

Or it might be this unfortunate man just died suddenly, from a heart attack maybe, and the plane was brought safely down by the pilot as would happen on most airlines.

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