Popular Post Lite Beer Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 Authorities begin demolishing buildings on Phuket beaches Phuket beaches are now slowly returning to natural beauty with concrete structures that were illegally built for decades to operate businesses are being torn down under the policy of the military junta to return the beaches to the people. Now officials of the Department of National Parks, Wildlife, and Plant Conservation began cleanup operation on the beaches.Not only buildings and other concrete structures that were torn down, rubber trees which were grown in illegally occupied land on national park also were sawn off and replaced with indigenous trees.Encroachers have grown rubber trees in large areas in national reserves in southern provinces Krabi and Phuket.The cleanup mission so far has recovered 300 rai (1 acre =2.5 rai) of reclaimed forest area to their former status.Yesterday officials used heavy machinery to remove the structure of a seaside restaurant on Nai Yang Beach in Phuket’s province’s Thalang district.Mr Nipon Chitiban, Director-General of the department, said the satellite image clearly determines that the restaurant invaded over two rai of the Sirinat national Park.The land is reserved as national asset and no structure is allowed to be erected for benefit of any individual.The authorities also cleared all wooden terraces of the restaurant.According to the authorities, there are 370 cases of land encroachment in the province and the Department of Land will try to complete investigations on them within next month. Owner of the lands would be prosecuted if they were found to hold illegal land title deeds or ownership documents.Mr Niphon said he believed some 700 rais of land had been made the encroached in this national park.Relevant authorities had relocated people from this area before the department declared the area as the national park.After the announcement, no ownership document or title deeds were issued and authorities were certain that everyone was removed from the area, he said.As all structures are cleared out, the Department of National Parks, Wildlife, and Plant Conservation, the military and Phuket Administrative Organization will jointly carry out a mission to rehabilitate beaches and transform them back to their natural state. The mission is expected to benefit the province’s tourism.Meanwhile officials also raided a 170-rai of rubber plantation found to encroach on the Hat Nopparat Thara National Park on Phi Phi Island.It is the biggest encroachment case in the provinceOfficials used circular saws to cut down all rubber trees in this plantation. The land will then be reforested and transformed into forest with indigenous trees instead.These rubber trees planted on this land in Krabi province’s Nong Tale sub-district are 5-7 year old.Director of National Park Office Samal Donnapee said there are 11 land encroachment cases in the sub-district where over 350 rai of lands are illegally acquired. The villagers tried to prove their ownership over the lands to authorities using their ownership documents and opposed authorities’ attempt to move them out.But they eventually have to give in after satellite images show that their lands are located in the reserved forest area.He said authorities use satellite images to help verify if the lands have been encroached. Authorities could confirm that the lands were invaded nine year ago. The images are strong proof.All structures and rubber trees are expected to be cleared out within this week.The Department of National Parks, Wildlife, and Plant Conservation will then reforest the encroached lands and transform them into new nature tourist destinations. Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/authorities-begin-demolishing-buildings-phuket-beaches/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=authorities-begin-demolishing-buildings-phuket-beaches -- Thai PBS 2014-08-23 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pookiki Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 I, for one, believe that 'most' of the actions of the junta in reclaiming beaches or land that had been illegally used in national forest reserves are correct and warrented. However, I think the NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Consideration must also be given to families who have engaged is subsistence agriculture over a long period of time without exploiting the land for other than their family's welfare. In addition, this program clearly illustrates that Thailand needs to implement meaningful land use and zoning regulations. For example, you neighbor should not be able to open a car repair garage in what is predominately a residential neighborhood and so on. All beaches should be the property of the people to the high water line -- no exceptions. With current satellite technology, it should be feasible to monitor and capture those engage in illegal logging or the trafficking of endangered species. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "Officials used circular saws to cut down all rubber trees in this plantation." Typical approach. The day will come when they just grow back... Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post noahvail Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. Because the local officials did not want to know about the illegal encroachment. Sort of turn a blind eye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahvail Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. Because the local officials did not want to know about the illegal encroachment. Sort of turn a blind eye. Hmmmm, I suppose the local ones knew since they likely derived some benefit from the whole shady process. I was more referring to the P.M.s since Google Earth became available. Well, at least now we've got the A-Team working to right the wrongs. Here's hoping it doesn't go back to the way it was... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CMFarang Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 Pattaya could use a good cleaning next 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBlair48 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I, for one, believe that 'most' of the actions of the junta in reclaiming beaches or land that had been illegally used in national forest reserves are correct and warrented. However, I think the NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Consideration must also be given to families who have engaged is subsistence agriculture over a long period of time without exploiting the land for other than their family's welfare. In addition, this program clearly illustrates that Thailand needs to implement meaningful land use and zoning regulations. For example, you neighbor should not be able to open a car repair garage in what is predominately a residential neighborhood and so on. All beaches should be the property of the people to the high water line -- no exceptions. With current satellite technology, it should be feasible to monitor and capture those engage in illegal logging or the trafficking of endangered species. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Agree however it should have been addressed before the jobs were lost. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. Yeah I'd like to see this too, however it is looking a bit unlikely, which I find to be the best argument this isn't at all about corruption, but about eliminating the working class take of the tourism spoils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I, for one, believe that 'most' of the actions of the junta in reclaiming beaches or land that had been illegally used in national forest reserves are correct and warrented. However, I think the NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Consideration must also be given to families who have engaged is subsistence agriculture over a long period of time without exploiting the land for other than their family's welfare. In addition, this program clearly illustrates that Thailand needs to implement meaningful land use and zoning regulations. For example, you neighbor should not be able to open a car repair garage in what is predominately a residential neighborhood and so on. All beaches should be the property of the people to the high water line -- no exceptions. With current satellite technology, it should be feasible to monitor and capture those engage in illegal logging or the trafficking of endangered species. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Agree however it should have been addressed before the jobs were lost. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. Yeah I'd like to see this too, however it is looking a bit unlikely, which I find to be the best argument this isn't at all about corruption, but about eliminating the working class take of the tourism spoils Sorry, but when is any problem addressed in Thailand before it becomes too big to cover up anymore? Where was or is there any sort of planning or infrastructure improvement here in Phuket before they allowed all the development? Developers probably paid, but it just went in someone's pocket... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBlair48 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Well I agree with you , problems in Thailand are not faced and all this recent beach activity is making more problems for more people and it will have negative effects that could have been abated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimi007 Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 Well I agree with you , problems in Thailand are not faced and all this recent beach activity is making more problems for more people and it will have negative effects that could have been abated. Your opinion, not mine. It was time to take a stand on encroachment of public lands. I'm still all for it, as are all the Thais I know. As I said before just because your neighbor or somebody else does it, it doesn't make it right. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabass69 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. Because she was stuck on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UncleE Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Hopefully we'll see beach cleaning machines taking care of the beaches soon. And the job will be done. The lack of using modern technology to keep the beaches clean along with the careless encroachment has left plenty of trash behind. Anything short of a mechanized approach will be like digging the foundation for a high rise building with a tablespoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Colabamumbai Posted August 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2014 If they were making money from structures not belonging to them or the land, I do not believe that they should be compensated in any way. For the damages they have done to the environment, they should be forced to pay for and plant tree. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 4th Army Area Commander reviews reorganization progress in PhuketPHUKET, 24 August 2014 (NNT) -The Commander of the Fourth Army Area has reviewed the progress of environmental reorganization efforts in Phuket.Lt.Gen.Walit Rojanaphakdee chaired a meeting to follow up on progress in enacting this key initiative of the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO)’s reconciliation and reform policy. He revealed that after popular areas in Phuket were reorganized to protect natural resources and the environment, that residents had expressed satisfaction because beaches and tourist attractions are now more readily accessible and their natural beauty restored.According to the Governor of Phuket, Maitri Inthusut, the province has been working with the NCPO to eliminate Mafia influence and availability of contraband in the area. As some people such as sellers of small items are affected by the reorganizational drive, the province will conduct an in-depth survey with them next week and find solutions such as job recruitment or job training for them. -- NNT 2014-08-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RigPig Posted August 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2014 Maybe I missed it but I have yet to see any of the corrupt officials or government workers dragged over the coals for any of this. These things wouldn´t have happened without them lining their pockets. And what about the main source of corruption here in Thailand, or are we just creating a monopoly? Although some good is coming from it, it still seems like a big show to me, too little to late and not addressing the crux of the matter...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. I upgraded to Google earth pro some time back, same same as standard version with few useful options The sat images are up dated every few years, did I miss something enhanced real time pix? OK a little off the topic but if they wanted to fix encroachment there are many ways for them to do so, they just have to want to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smew Posted August 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2014 Dear Army, Please stay in power forever as this country needs a good cleanup , refuse everywhere beaches and water polluted. Thank you ! Generals 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LivinginKata Posted August 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2014 Maybe I missed it but I have yet to see any of the corrupt officials or government workers dragged over the coals for any of this. These things wouldn´t have happened without them lining their pockets. And what about the main source of corruption here in Thailand, or are we just creating a monopoly? Although some good is coming from it, it still seems like a big show to me, too little to late and not addressing the crux of the matter...... Could not agree more. Not one report that any officials have even been investigated for allowing all this encroachment and their financial assets investigated to see if any tax was paid on their wealth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deez Posted August 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2014 I, for one, believe that 'most' of the actions of the junta in reclaiming beaches or land that had been illegally used in national forest reserves are correct and warrented. However, I think the NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Consideration must also be given to families who have engaged is subsistence agriculture over a long period of time without exploiting the land for other than their family's welfare. In addition, this program clearly illustrates that Thailand needs to implement meaningful land use and zoning regulations. For example, you neighbor should not be able to open a car repair garage in what is predominately a residential neighborhood and so on. All beaches should be the property of the people to the high water line -- no exceptions. With current satellite technology, it should be feasible to monitor and capture those engage in illegal logging or the trafficking of endangered species. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. "The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work." Really? They broke the law for years without prosecution and you want to reward them? Perhaps when a bank closes we should compensate bank robbers too? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Dear Army, Please stay in power forever as this country needs a good cleanup , refuse everywhere beaches and water polluted. Thank you ! Generals Fully agree and General please don/t back away from the mafia running jet skis on pattaya beach they also pay and control other foreigners to negotiate for them ALWAYS IN FAVOUR of the jet ski owner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicstuff Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I would like to see that anyone who was given permission to develop business and paid rents or ssuch like for that, on the encroached land should be given the assistance to fast track legal proceedings against anyone taking money for that .to reclaim some of there losses if they have lost their lively hood . If they are innocent there will be someone further up who's responsible ..Many of the business owners are uneducated and unaware to the harm the've done.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookiki Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I, for one, believe that 'most' of the actions of the junta in reclaiming beaches or land that had been illegally used in national forest reserves are correct and warrented. However, I think the NCPO should take into consideration those innocent individuals who lost his/her jobs because of this program. The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work. Consideration must also be given to families who have engaged is subsistence agriculture over a long period of time without exploiting the land for other than their family's welfare. In addition, this program clearly illustrates that Thailand needs to implement meaningful land use and zoning regulations. For example, you neighbor should not be able to open a car repair garage in what is predominately a residential neighborhood and so on. All beaches should be the property of the people to the high water line -- no exceptions. With current satellite technology, it should be feasible to monitor and capture those engage in illegal logging or the trafficking of endangered species. Lastly, those who have been the source or corruption in land use matters should be named and prosecuted. "The junta should insure that each and every worker who lost their job received severance pay and should receive assistance in finding other meaningful work." Really? They broke the law for years without prosecution and you want to reward them? Perhaps when a bank closes we should compensate bank robbers too? I strongly doubt that the workers (not owners) of these shops and restaurants didn't have a clue about the legal status of the deeds or issues involving encroachment. Under the Thai Labor Code, the workers are entitled to severance pay. Is following the law an issue with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Land encroachment is rife in Thailand. In the cul-de-sac I live, of 12 houses, 8 are guilty of it. Small encroachment of 1 meter but encroachment nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahvail Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. I upgraded to Google earth pro some time back, same same as standard version with few useful options The sat images are up dated every few years, did I miss something enhanced real time pix? OK a little off the topic but if they wanted to fix encroachment there are many ways for them to do so, they just have to want to do it. Google Earth Pro is USD 400, IIRC. There is a level above that is called Google Earth Enterprise, designed for multi-national corporations and governments. They won't quote a price until you give them the exact parameters you want. I suppose you could Google them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renaissanc Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Maybe I missed it but I have yet to see any of the corrupt officials or government workers dragged over the coals for any of this. These things wouldn´t have happened without them lining their pockets. And what about the main source of corruption here in Thailand, or are we just creating a monopoly? Although some good is coming from it, it still seems like a big show to me, too little to late and not addressing the crux of the matter...... Could not agree more. Not one report that any officials have even been investigated for allowing all this encroachment and their financial assets investigated to see if any tax was paid on their wealth. I hope that the corrupt officials go to prison for a LONG time! It will serve as a warning to future corrupt officials that their day in prison could come any day when there is a change of government. Karma gets you in the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abitmiffed Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Som nom nah... especialy in nai yang. I know a few people who have illegal companies there so happy to see you reep what you sow.... bye bye. Ha friking ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Maybe I missed it but I have yet to see any of the corrupt officials or government workers dragged over the coals for any of this. These things wouldn´t have happened without them lining their pockets. And what about the main source of corruption here in Thailand, or are we just creating a monopoly? Although some good is coming from it, it still seems like a big show to me, too little to late and not addressing the crux of the matter...... Could not agree more. Not one report that any officials have even been investigated for allowing all this encroachment and their financial assets investigated to see if any tax was paid on their wealth. Yeah it´s a bit like where we come from receiving stolen goods is punished more harshly than those stealing the goods. If no one was receiving them then no one would steal. I think everyone knows where the real corruption is and what is the biggest ¨mafia¨ organization in this country, but nothing has been done about that !! However I guess it´s a beginning, but starting with the ¨roots¨ and not the leaves would seem a more efficient way to deal with the corruption tree, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) At least they're finally making good use of today's technology. Of course, Google Earth has been around for a long time now for free, and for relatively small dosh offers enhanced real-time pix. This begs the question why, over the past several years, did they not have one clerk scanning Google Earth for encroachment, illegal logging, and illegal burning? So many problems could have been nipped in the bud. Because the local officials did not want to know about the illegal encroachment. Sort of turn a blind eye. Hmmmm, I suppose the local ones knew since they likely derived some benefit from the whole shady process. I was more referring to the P.M.s since Google Earth became available. Well, at least now we've got the A-Team working to right the wrongs. Here's hoping it doesn't go back to the way it was... Just corruption for decades on every level. Here in my small Udon Thani province Amphoe, the road out of the village to the Amphoe - District main city (village) since 12 years, since I come here, is never substantially-really repaired. Only in a way, so it breaks after some weeks, this year, better, month again, old big potholes open and they can again ask for money, end of the year. Seems all have their finger in that pot and take, repair a bit and next year again! When I told that to a senior Immigration officer in Udon city some years ago, he smiled, I know, he said, it is "corruption!". The sheepish people from the villages who have now in and after rain season that f@#$%! up road, do not complain. Only me, but that is not enough, crazy! I heard also some years ago, that local politicians ran around and looked to get signed petition papers for a pay out (final one?) for old war participants and victims or families from war victims. (invalid ect) I heard two sums, the sum they asked for in Bangkok and the sum they wanted to pay out than. That was open discussed, as my GF told me, the difference, a BIG ONE, was for the incessantly, for such funds fighting politicians. The Issanis accepted that, as no corruption money meant, they would get nothing. Edited August 24, 2014 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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