Does Britain have a jihadi problem?

[HughJass]

the govts of Europe are happy to accept all these "migrants" because it helps with their goal of divide and rule of the population which will make it easier to create a United States of Europe and eventually a one world govt

heres Barbara Learner Spectre admitting that this is their the plan

Edited August 29, 2014 by Rimmer
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[sustento]

It's time to crack the tinfoil hats boys..

[sandrabbit]

And more recently reported a U.S. citizen KIA while fighting for ISIS. It ain't all G.B.'s problem, it's a world problem.

Actually it's quite different - so far.

Britain has a huge problem. They don't have a constitution that's inviolate that prohibits the government from favoring any religion in any way.

They no longer have a strong feeling of nationalism, but have thrown in with the EU.

The British no longer have the will for a revolution that would overthrow their government restore their union for the native citizens.

I've said over and over that in 20 years we will no longer recognize Great Britain as it becomes a Muslim State.

They have reveled in their failed NHS and other social programs, allowed themselves to be disarmed, criticized anyone who didn't follow their example, and even now they don't seem to see the danger.

England used to be the greatest country in the world. How did it come to this?

because it's not England, if it keeps being quoted as such then the other indigenous population (who have been there longer) gets pissed off and hopes the terrorists just attack the English.

[sandrabbit]

Mohammed is now the most common christian name in Britain.

Fancy naming your son after a man who married a six year old girl!

While there is an abundance of appropriate good old English names: Garry, Jimmy, Cliff, .....

why push nonsense propaganda, last year it was number 28. this is why the problem gets worse, if you're going to quote facts then back them up.

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don't repeat mistruths if you want the high ground. there is a problem but don't make it worse.

[super22k]

Winston Churchill and Enouch Powell warned Westminster politicians about this years ago.Enoch Powell had the support of 90% of the UK population but he was sacked by the Conservative party.If you want to join a British political party that is doing something about it check out www.britainfirst.org and read what they have to say.Rule Britania.

[doctorproc156]

Not only Britain but all countries having a high immigration rates , specially from Maghreb area. Hard to control everybody.

I really disagree, the jihadist problem in britain is faaar worse than other countries accepting immigrants. Look at canada and sweden, they have no where near as big of an islamist problem that the uk does.

[Richard W]

The European Union. Why the hell did Britain do that? Now Britain has to accept what the EU laws, and they say that an EU citizen has the rights to settle where they want in the EU. GB has in effect, given up its sovereignty in favor of what a committee of europeans says. Can anyone imagine the United States giving up its sovereignty?

The member states of the USA have given up their sovereignty, though some put up a fight (the American Civil War).

Freedom of movement of labour was one of the founding principles of the Common Market. You may argue that we never expected eastern Europe up to the Russias to become free.

Why were these people ever allowed back into Gt Britain ? Are they being persued and questioned, or do the British just leave them alone.

There are only a few alternatives:

1. Strip them of citizenship beforehand if we are confident of what they are and they have another nationality.

2. Arrest them if we are confident they can be prosecuted. There may be problems with providing evidence that will stand up in court. I doubt they will be bringing discharge papers home.

3. Allow them back in because they're British citizens.

As we're not fighting in Syria or Iraq, treason might be a hard charge to make stick.

[simple1]

YES!!! Over the past several years in England the militants etc. have hidden behind the protection of the governments "politically correct" agenda. "Do not say anything to offend them", we are multicultural, why is it though that in their country there is no such thing as multicultural? well, it is too late, they have taken over I am sad to say.

p.s. It is a well known fact that by the year 2021 their will be enough muslims in the uk to vote in an islamic government....

Current Muslim population of all ages in the UK is around 5%, so how will their be sufficient numbers of eligable Muslim voters by 2021 to vote in an 'Islamic government'.

It has been estimated Muslims in the UK will grow to approx 10% of the population by 2050.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

I think there is a problem with the info in this link you include. The numbers data supports an explosive trend which, if extrapolated, results in a significant muslim population in the future- based solely on numbers now. What the researchers or author do, however, is consider a variable to lessen this result- whether or not like populations, similarly situated, slowly reduce their numbers of offspring over time? They conclude yes, and insert this equation into the calculations. This is sleight of hand because there is no validation that this variable either applies here or is universally true.

Mathematically, though, the numbers indicate a stunning majority fairly quickly.

Whatever, the post claiming Islamic rule in UK by 2021 is utter rubbish. Other reports suggest a UK Muslim population of 8% by 2030. We will see, well I won't, will be long dead, if the statistical modelling for 2050 is wrong.

Edited August 28, 2014 by simple1

[hawker9000]

Just saw a British imam in a television interview last night, predicting that sharia WILL be universally imposed in the UK. Universally! I don't believe I heard him say just when that would be. Something to look forward to I guess... (Oh, and western news outlets have it all wrong about what's going on with non-muslims in ISIL, BTW.)

[Scott]

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[nidieunimaitre]

the govts of Europe are happy to accept all these "migrants" because it helps with their goal of divide and rule of the population which will make it easier to create a United States of Europe and eventually a one world govt

heres Barbara Learner Spectre admitting that this is their the plan

Do I understand correctly that you think that the fundamentalist muslims are part of the jewish plan to domiinate the world?

[simple1]

Just saw a British imam in a television interview last night, predicting that sharia WILL be universally imposed in the UK. Universally! I don't believe I heard him say just when that would be. Something to look forward to I guess... (Oh, and western news outlets have it all wrong about what's going on with non-muslims in ISIL, BTW.)

Genuine question, can you clarify your claim?

[nidieunimaitre]

Just saw a British imam in a television interview last night, predicting that sharia WILL be universally imposed in the UK. Universally! I don't believe I heard him say just when that would be. Something to look forward to I guess... (Oh, and western news outlets have it all wrong about what's going on with non-muslims in ISIL, BTW.)

Now you have me scared!

PS. By any chance, did he also predict the winning lottery numbers? Please share with us.

[Credo]

Part of the problem might be that so many (native) British people have abandon their country.

It's a nice place, I don't blame someone for wanting it.

[nidieunimaitre]

WHAT A STUPID QUESTION

The only people who dont know the UK has a MUSLIM PROBLEM is the liberal left retards

When was the left in power? And please do not mention Blair in this context.

The left has been in power in the UK for a long time. Socialism is leftist and that includes the NHS and all the other safety nets available to every layabout.

Joining the EU is leftist as the far right would prefer little or no government.

If you drew a straight line across a piece of paper and put a dot in the middle to indicate neutral, you could begin to list things to the left and to the right of the dot and graphically illustrate the difference between left and right.

To the far left of that line, write communism. Total government control. To the far right on the line, write anarchy - no government at all.

Somewhere along the left half of that line write socialism. Somewhere to the right will be a philosophy of self reliance, independence, and freedom from government. Those on the right half will have enough constraints on government that they will be armed and those on the left will have so much government control that they will not be armed.

At its root, it could simply be said that those on the left want more government, and those on the right want less government. To place a person or country on that line, you'd simply need to know how much control of individual freedom is allowed to go to government.

Right now only those on the right would see the need and take action to sweep a country clean of all of these government caused problems.

Before you lecture me on anarchism, please googlle Godwin, that's the one who "invented" it (and was so kind as to let me use his pic as my avatar).

Ni dieu ni maitre.

[jacky54]

The best book I have read on the Islamic fundamentalist problem in the uk, Londonistan by Mellanie Philips:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Londonistan-Britain-Created-Terror-within/dp/1908096276/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409269865&sr=8-1&keywords=londonistan

[Steely Dan]

The apologists seem largely lacking from this thread, no doubt their sort will regroup no doubt using tough new laws curtailing freedom of speech and assembly. I think we have reached a tipping point though, the Emperor of multiculturalism has no cloths and people are no longer afraid of name calling from those who are still in denial.

[belg]

thank you leftist politicians to bring in those people that do not adapt to the culture and only there to draw the social welfare card and not contribute to anything but spread messages of hatred to the people who are sponsering their "luxerious" life

[klikster]

And more recently reported a U.S. citizen KIA while fighting for ISIS. It ain't all G.B.'s problem, it's a world problem.

Actually it's quite different - so far.

How far is "so far"? The WTC was not in G.B.

[arjunadawn]

The challenge is a balance of religious or other beliefs, immigration, intergation and freedom.

The peaceful elements are invisible, but at the same time, the extremists cloaked in those groups take full advantage of the weaknesses of a "free" society that embraces diversity.

Unfortunately, those that govern are often ill prepared to deal with reality of the threat, in denial or collaborative with the growing radical groups.

The radicals seem to be determined to undermine the very governments that afford them the freedoms to conduct their destruction and, if unchecked, might well succeed.

I have no fear or dislike of any group. However, when they kidnap me, or board my bus/aircraft, take me hostage and behead me, fear or dislike is moot.

I don't have any answers. Neither do the dead, be they western, middle eastern or others.

I fear them.

[robertthebruce]

Go to any area of East London and you can see how Multicultural the UK is...

Too late to do anything, everyone and there granny is there, or of not, on there way,....

[boomerangutang]

Aw gee, I just love "..it is a well known fact " when I see one.

"According to the census figures, 4.8% of the 56.1 million resident population of England and Wales in 2011 were Muslim, and as stated above 9.1% of all under-fives in the population were Muslim."

The population of the UK has grown enormously since 2011, it is now over 60 million. Most of the influx has been from has been from European Union countries, and Catholic countries at that.

And as for "..too late, they have taken over I am sad to say" Really? 4.8% have managed a coup, with 9.1% of of that 4.8% being under 5 years of age, wow, that is some force to be reckoned with, if it were true, and it is not.

What is more likely to happen IMHO is that in the end or sooner than we might think, there is going to be one massive and sustained backlash against anyone who even resembles a Muslim by generally law abiding British citizens, unless of course the Muslim community get their act together and sort out these so called fanatics out.

The last sentence above says a lot: "unless of course the Muslim community get their act together and sort out these so called fanatics out."

Decent members of the Muslim community are now (and will continue to be) completely unable to reign in extremists. And there are and will be (ever more) Muslim extremists in every sizable group of Muslims.

Here's a scenario: a group of 10 middle-aged Muslims confront 10 radicals in their 20's and 30's. Who's going to dominate the conversation? Who's going to get their way, particularly when radicals start shouting 'Allah Akbar' and waving firearms in the faces of the moderates? Now multiply that by thousands, and you get an idea of the direction Britain and some other European countries are headed. It doesn't take many gun-wielding (and shouting/threatening) extremists to affect changes. Look at nearly any Middle Eastern region in the extended Middle East, from Algeria to Pakistan. Who dominates? Yup, religious extremists, usually far beyond their comparative numbers.

[NeverSure]

Winston Churchill and Enouch Powell warned Westminster politicians about this years ago.Enoch Powell had the support of 90% of the UK population but he was sacked by the Conservative party.If you want to join a British political party that is doing something about it check out www.britainfirst.org and read what they have to say.Rule Britania.

Someone once said that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged by reality.

[NeverSure]

And more recently reported a U.S. citizen KIA while fighting for ISIS. It ain't all G.B.'s problem, it's a world problem.

Actually it's quite different - so far.

How far is "so far"? The WTC was not in G.B.

Please read the OP and the thread. It's not about the London train bombing, either. It's about an unusual influx of Jihadists into Britain.

[JDGRUEN]

And more recently reported a U.S. citizen KIA while fighting for ISIS. It ain't all G.B.'s problem, it's a world problem.

Actually it's quite different - so far.

How far is "so far"? The WTC was not in G.B.

The Islamic Radical Terrorists involved in the WTC 9-11 were only temporary residents let in the country by a blundering set of government fools to do such things as flight training... We do have our Dearbornistan / Detroit but not any bombings there as of yet... But they do seem to be trying to carve out their own area and drive everyone else out. But the topic is jihadis in the U.K. and the potential for large scale problems - not to mention their export to join ISIS... and return.

[phanangpete]

An academic MP in the 60's and 70's in the UK , Enoch Powell wrote a paper and gave a long speech in the House of Commons.

He identified the problem of immigrants coming into the Country and that the consequences for the future were dire, he was supported by many at the time but considered too right wing.

Some thought he would make a great Prime Minister as he had the brains to understand politics and what the Country needed, but many thought he was too radical in his views.

He was under Thatcherism given an outpost position as a Westminster MP in N Ireland in his latter years so that he would cause less harm, THAT SPEECH IS STILL BEING READ TODAY BY POLITICAL STUDENTS, but alas too late.

[kieran2698]

YES!!! Over the past several years in England the militants etc. have hidden behind the protection of the governments "politically correct" agenda. "Do not say anything to offend them", we are multicultural, why is it though that in their country there is no such thing as multicultural? well, it is too late, they have taken over I am sad to say.

p.s. It is a well known fact that by the year 2021 their will be enough muslims in the uk to vote in an islamic government....

Actually it's well known fiction. Another claim that there will be a majority by 2050 has been peddled around but, of course, is also fiction. Currently Muslims make up 4.8% of the population which is almost double the amount 10 years ago. The question is why? Are there more Muslims or are more Muslims identifying themselves as such following the recent wars? The answer is a bit of both and looking at recent trends in immigration and assuming things stay the same, by 2030 Muslims will make up 8.3% of the population.

"in their country there is no such thing as multicultural", is a ridiculous generalisation. In Indonesia, the worlds biggest Muslim country, there are all five of the major religions and although there have been religiously motivated problems there is multiculturalism like nowhere on earth; 300 distinct ethnic groups and 706 languages spoken.

so it doubled in 10 years to around 5% Its possible it could double every ten years so by 2024 possibly 10% and 2034 20% and so on Its not going to get better thats for sure./

they simply dont belong in UK IMO few of them share our values our culture our way some (to many) are fanatic extremists and they will never ever integrate properly so before its to late:-

throw out any extremists or those perching any form of rasism towards non muslims. If they only have Uk citizenship but them in prison period.

throw out ants who try and bring their own form of justice schooling etc into our schools councils and public bodies

ban any sectarian schools except christion ones (we are a christian nation)

Allow those who remain to practice their religion privately but not publicly but do allow those muslims who accept this to live peacefully

Totally ban any further slims from entering to live here even relatives. Other cultures which do not cause mayhem these muslims cause can still come since most of them integrate peacefully and dont try and push their reed onto others.

time for action but i fear its to late and by the time most realise its gone to far their will be mass violence against all muslims innocent and fanatics

Everyone I know hates them with a vengeance and most now stopped differentiating between good muslims and fanatics.

UK has welcomed manes people here and almost all except muslims have integrated well or at least not tried to impose their culture way of life ideas onto the UK natives.

MYself i happy with almost any immigrants of whatever culture but not muslims since they have shown themselves to be not worthy to be allowed to stay.

No one here would dream of trying to impose western Christianity onto thew Thais (except missionaries who id also throw out of Thailand)

Can you imagine a group of forang insisting Thailand adopt christian schools christian values (well some del but they are strupid) and even had members openly advocating death to non christians.

My This wife just can't understand why Uk allows these people and even gives them money etc

Did you not make it past the second sentence? Again, If you look at recent trends in immigration, rather than just how many people tick the Muslim box in a census, then you can see that the number has not actually doubled. I though I made that clear but I don't think you even bothered to read past the word doubled.

[96tehtarp]

Yes.

[kieran2698]

An academic MP in the 60's and 70's in the UK , Enoch Powell wrote a paper and gave a long speech in the House of Commons.

He identified the problem of immigrants coming into the Country and that the consequences for the future were dire, he was supported by many at the time but considered too right wing.

Some thought he would make a great Prime Minister as he had the brains to understand politics and what the Country needed, but many thought he was too radical in his views.

He was under Thatcherism given an outpost position as a Westminster MP in N Ireland in his latter years so that he would cause less harm, THAT SPEECH IS STILL BEING READ TODAY BY POLITICAL STUDENTS, but alas too late.

What's an academic MP? Is that someone trying to learn how to be an MP? LOL

[jacky54]

An academic MP in the 60's and 70's in the UK , Enoch Powell wrote a paper and gave a long speech in the House of Commons.

He identified the problem of immigrants coming into the Country and that the consequences for the future were dire, he was supported by many at the time but considered too right wing.

Some thought he would make a great Prime Minister as he had the brains to understand politics and what the Country needed, but many thought he was too radical in his views.

He was under Thatcherism given an outpost position as a Westminster MP in N Ireland in his latter years so that he would cause less harm, THAT SPEECH IS STILL BEING READ TODAY BY POLITICAL STUDENTS, but alas too late.

What's an academic MP? Is that someone trying to learn how to be an MP? LOL

Powell was-

While at University, in one Greek prose examination lasting three hours, he was asked to translate a passage into Greek. Powell walked out after one and a half hours, having produced translations in the styles of Plato and Thucydides. For his efforts, he was awarded a double starred first in Latin and Greek, this grade being the best possible and extremely rare. As well as his education at Cambridge, Powell took a course in Urdu at the School of Oriental Studies, now the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, because he felt that his long-cherished ambition of becoming Viceroy of India would be unattainable without knowledge of an Indian language.^[6] Powell went on to learn other languages, including Welsh (in which he jointly edited a medieval legal text), modern Greek, and Portuguese.

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