Scottish independence: Yes camp hails 'momentum'

[jacky54]

what aboot king Rab the 1st

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY08yszk6KA

[wilcopops]

Maybe they aren't really your mates.......?

Actually they're my best friends. Have been for a long time.

It's all down to your own perception...if you persistently called me "jock" you wouldn't necessarily like what I called you.

Don't be soft. These are real men I'm talking about.

My oh my. The "politians" are good at creating hate and division.

It's their modus operandi.

"real men"? - A socialist Scotland based on machoism? i think your image of the Scots is a bit stereotyped

[smokie36]

The bigger factor has been the canvassing of voters in towns and cities across Scotland by YES supporters.....something that has been ignored by the media.

This the same media which has been churning out the mantra of Wither Together for months.....well I can tell you that the YES campaign has had offices in towns all over Scotland....with literally an open door policy every day for anyone to drop by and ask any question they wish on any issue.

They have also been in town squares every weekend making themselves available to help inform the public on this vote.

The no campaign has focused almost exclusively on their media advantage....which in the end has proved their undoing....as many voters have seen through the lies they have told.

They have no grass roots support....only those who were hoodwinked....and are now waking up to the realities of the issues and potential benefits of being independent.

Key to the YES campaign gaining ground is that there are no projections of huge wealth.....simply a whole lot of fresh opportunity and hope.

Scottish voters know from experience a Tory government will give many in Scotland no hope at all.

The difference in campaigns has been an eye-opener for sure. Now is like the run-in to the Grand National and they've just passed The Elbow. Will one of the two campaigns suffer a Devon Loch moment? I think the gloves could come off during this next 10 days or so ... it'll be interesting to see what ammunition they have left.

Well we already know the no campaign strategy is going to be their "pledge" of more devolved powers after a no vote.

Trouble is the voters just don't trust them any more. They lied to the electorate and treated them like fools and the Scottish voters will not forget that over the next fortnight.

The YES campaign will continue as it is....with grassroots support growing and encouraging people to ask questions and inform themselves no matter which way they choose to vote.

Seems fair to me!

[Neeranam]

What would new currency be called?

Personally I think it would be a bad move for Scotland, but if they want to go for it all the best. At least the Bank of England could make some money on loans to the new government when it realises it can't make ends meet.

Scotland has a lot of oil revenue which is now taken by England. I think England will have to ask Scotland for a loan.

, another English hater who has nooooooooooooooooooo understanding about a long time union between England, Wales, N.Ireland, and yes Scotland.......

Do you actually think Scottish people like the English? If you had been English at my secondary school, you'd have found out quickly that they don't.

I think many English have lost face or something - realizing that we never did like, need or want them.

[mackayae]

will Scotland have it's own king? who?

Franz, Duke of Bavaria. He is heir to the Stuart throne.

[transam]

What would new currency be called?

Personally I think it would be a bad move for Scotland, but if they want to go for it all the best. At least the Bank of England could make some money on loans to the new government when it realises it can't make ends meet.

Scotland has a lot of oil revenue which is now taken by England. I think England will have to ask Scotland for a loan.

, another English hater who has nooooooooooooooooooo understanding about a long time union between England, Wales, N.Ireland, and yes Scotland.......

Do you actually think Scottish people like the English? If you had been English at my secondary school, you'd have found out quickly that they don't.

I think many English have lost face or something - realizing that we never did like, need or want them.

Sorry to hear that.....

[smokie36]

Well we had an English kid at my school and he did just fine....bar a bit of ribbing about the football from time to time.

Had he been a muppet the story might have been different!

[mackayae]

Gretna, Scotland, heading south on the A74.

[FritsSikkink]

What would new currency be called?

Personally I think it would be a bad move for Scotland, but if they want to go for it all the best. At least the Bank of England could make some money on loans to the new government when it realises it can't make ends meet.

Scotland has a lot of oil revenue which is now taken by England. I think England will have to ask Scotland for a loan.

, another English hater who has nooooooooooooooooooo understanding about a long time union between England, Wales, N.Ireland, and yes Scotland.......

Why should i hate England? Just because i (being Dutch and no party in this) do understand the domination of the union by the English doesn't make me a English hater.

[gamini]

I don't see how it could be bad for Scotland if they get to take the North Sea oil with them. They could be the next Norway. However, Scottish independence would consign the UK to the clutches of the Tories forever. Hard luck for the Brits in that case.

Surely it will be good news. No more socialist governments for us. Good Tory governments. We expats are not all working class!

[Neeranam]

Sorry to hear that.....

There are exceptions of course but generally it similar to Isarn and Bangkok or Thailand and Myanmar/Cambodia. History is never forgotten.

[Neeranam]

I don't see how it could be bad for Scotland if they get to take the North Sea oil with them. They could be the next Norway. However, Scottish independence would consign the UK to the clutches of the Tories forever. Hard luck for the Brits in that case.

Surely it will be good news. No more socialist governments for us. Good Tory governments. We expats are not all working class!

What class are you?

[CaptHaddock]

I don't see how it could be bad for Scotland if they get to take the North Sea oil with them. They could be the next Norway. However, Scottish independence would consign the UK to the clutches of the Tories forever. Hard luck for the Brits in that case.

Surely it will be good news. No more socialist governments for us. Good Tory governments. We expats are not all working class!

Cameron has certainly done brilliantly. Managed to turn a recession into a double-dip recession and very nearly a triple-dip recession.

[David48]

With regards to the question of the rights to the North Sea Oil.

Isn't there legal leases in place ATM to Private Companies who have rigs in place and if those fields are in what would become Scottish territorial waters, the only thing Scotland would be entitled to would the taxes and excises being levied?

New finds and lapsed/expired leases obviously are different.

Asking, not telling.

.

[hotsoup]

What would new currency be called?

Personally I think it would be a bad move for Scotland, but if they want to go for it all the best. At least the Bank of England could make some money on loans to the new government when it realises it can't make ends meet.

Scotland has a lot of oil revenue which is now taken by England. I think England will have to ask Scotland for a loan.

, another English hater who has nooooooooooooooooooo understanding about a long time union between England, Wales, N.Ireland, and yes Scotland.......

Why should i hate England? Just because i (being Dutch and no party in this) do understand the domination of the union by the English doesn't make me a English hater.

It is not that England is hated. It is just the use by the English of their looted money, arrogance , language and culture to subjugate other peoples. My dad used to say: "The English say they are God's gift to the World. I would like to hear someone who is not English affirm that"

[smokie36]

As I said before....here is what Alex Salmond was up to yesterday in Inverness.....its on Facebook I am afraid for those technophobes who aren't on there I apologise.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152661291653680

Anyone know what Mr Darling was up to?......perhaps out hunting with the royal party nearby??

Edited September 7, 2014 by smokie36

[transam]

As I said before....here is what Alex Salmond was up to yesterday in Inverness.....its on Facebook I am afraid for those technophobes who aren't on there I apologise.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152661291653680

Anyone know what Mr Darling was up to?......perhaps out hunting with the royal party nearby??

Naaaaaaaaaaaaah, curry and chips.............

[emilymat]

I think a break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone involved. I also despair that a film and a television debate could be the basis of a 'yes' vote, particularly among the young.

I'm English and 100% agree it's for the Scot's to decide this issue. But is it the Scots?. What about the thousands that live in England, Wales and N Ireland - not to mention those living abroad. They have no say. What about the English and immigrants living in Scotland who do have a say?.

It's an irreversible decision, not like a general election where you can reverse things at the next polling day. That's what worries me. That teenager swimmer that won the gold medal and held his fist up crying 'freedom' summed some of it up for me. You would think Scotland was Albania or something under the Soviets.

I know all the issues such as currency etc. have been well discussed, without any clear answer but, at the end of the day Scotland will be a foreign country and so will England. The EU issue would then be interesting. Suppose Scotland applies to join and just as the application is being approved the rest of the UK leave the EU under the Cameron referendum?. What is the position on freedom of movement between and EU and non EU country?. Border controls on the M6 are not such an absurd proposition after all. Someone on this forum can tell me that I'm sure.

The first thing ex pat's in Thailand will notice with a 'yes' vote is a major fall in the pound. It has already been falling gradually due to the uncertainty. By the way, why does the yes campaign want to keep the pound with interest rates for example being set by London?

I assume Scotland will have a president rather than the current monarchy. I wonder who that might be?.

Also, what happens to all those Scots with UK passports?. Those in England can use them but Scots in Scotland will have to have their own?.

I honestly am not trying to be smart. I love Scotland and have spent many happy times in that country both working and holidaymaking.

But....if I were Scot and had a vote I think it would certainly be 'No'. I just think there are so many uncertainties and complexities with uncoupling the two countries after 3/4 hundred years that it's too risky.

I've been a Labour voter all my life and would never want a Tory government if I had my way. But that's democracy for you.

[smokie36]

I think a break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone involved. I also despair that a film and a television debate could be the basis of a 'yes' vote, particularly among the young.

I'm English and 100% agree it's for the Scot's to decide this issue. But is it the Scots?. What about the thousands that live in England, Wales and N Ireland - not to mention those living abroad. They have no say. What about the English and immigrants living in Scotland who do have a say?.

It's an irreversible decision, not like a general election where you can reverse things at the next polling day. That's what worries me. That teenager swimmer that won the gold medal and held his fist up crying 'freedom' summed some of it up for me. You would think Scotland was Albania or something under the Soviets.

I know all the issues such as currency etc. have been well discussed, without any clear answer but, at the end of the day Scotland will be a foreign country and so will England. The EU issue would then be interesting. Suppose Scotland applies to join and just as the application is being approved the rest of the UK leave the EU under the Cameron referendum?. What is the position on freedom of movement between and EU and non EU country?. Border controls on the M6 are not such an absurd proposition after all. Someone on this forum can tell me that I'm sure.

The first thing ex pat's in Thailand will notice with a 'yes' vote is a major fall in the pound. It has already been falling gradually due to the uncertainty. By the way, why does the yes campaign want to keep the pound with interest rates for example being set by London?

I assume Scotland will have a president rather than the current monarchy. I wonder who that might be?.

Also, what happens to all those Scots with UK passports?. Those in England can use them but Scots in Scotland will have to have their own?.

I honestly am not trying to be smart. I love Scotland and have spent many happy times in that country both working and holidaymaking.

But....if I were Scot and had a vote I think it would certainly be 'No'. I just think there are so many uncertainties and complexities with uncoupling the two countries after 3/4 hundred years that it's too risky.

I've been a Labour voter all my life and would never want a Tory government if I had my way. But that's democracy for you.

It seems all you are basing your opinion on is what your media would like you to believe.

People in Scotland are changing their votes to YES because they are attending meetings all over the country and listening and debating the real facts which will change Scotland forever.

The no campaign would like us all to believe it will be so hard....what about passports....I wonder how Scots will manage to tie their shoelaces without England to hold their hand?

Truth is very little will change for the first couple of years and as to border checkpoints being set up....well we might need them to keep migrants from England out!!

That last line was a joke....of sorts anyway.....

[transam]

I think a break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone involved. I also despair that a film and a television debate could be the basis of a 'yes' vote, particularly among the young.

I'm English and 100% agree it's for the Scot's to decide this issue. But is it the Scots?. What about the thousands that live in England, Wales and N Ireland - not to mention those living abroad. They have no say. What about the English and immigrants living in Scotland who do have a say?.

It's an irreversible decision, not like a general election where you can reverse things at the next polling day. That's what worries me. That teenager swimmer that won the gold medal and held his fist up crying 'freedom' summed some of it up for me. You would think Scotland was Albania or something under the Soviets.

I know all the issues such as currency etc. have been well discussed, without any clear answer but, at the end of the day Scotland will be a foreign country and so will England. The EU issue would then be interesting. Suppose Scotland applies to join and just as the application is being approved the rest of the UK leave the EU under the Cameron referendum?. What is the position on freedom of movement between and EU and non EU country?. Border controls on the M6 are not such an absurd proposition after all. Someone on this forum can tell me that I'm sure.

The first thing ex pat's in Thailand will notice with a 'yes' vote is a major fall in the pound. It has already been falling gradually due to the uncertainty. By the way, why does the yes campaign want to keep the pound with interest rates for example being set by London?

I assume Scotland will have a president rather than the current monarchy. I wonder who that might be?.

Also, what happens to all those Scots with UK passports?. Those in England can use them but Scots in Scotland will have to have their own?.

I honestly am not trying to be smart. I love Scotland and have spent many happy times in that country both working and holidaymaking.

But....if I were Scot and had a vote I think it would certainly be 'No'. I just think there are so many uncertainties and complexities with uncoupling the two countries after 3/4 hundred years that it's too risky.

I've been a Labour voter all my life and would never want a Tory government if I had my way. But that's democracy for you.

It seems all you are basing your opinion on is what your media would like you to believe.

People in Scotland are changing their votes to YES because they are attending meetings all over the country and listening and debating the real facts which will change Scotland forever.

The no campaign would like us all to believe it will be so hard....what about passports....I wonder how Scots will manage to tie their shoelaces without England to hold their hand?

Truth is very little will change for the first couple of years and as to border checkpoints being set up....well we might need them to keep migrants from England out!!

That last line was a joke....of sorts anyway.....

By salesman who do not know the answers to anything......Even Salmond ain't got the answers.

Show me the answers that have been confirmed, the important issue ones....

[uptheos]

I'm sure the Scots will do what's best for them, but it will be very close and it's a one off shot.

If it's Yes then it's going to feel strange, somehow the UK of England, Wales & NI just doesn't cut it!

[transam]

I'm sure the Scots will do what's best for them, but it will be very close and it's a one off shot.

If it's Yes then it's going to feel strange, somehow the UK of England, Wales & NI just doesn't cut it!

And the new flag...........

[uptheos]

I'm sure the Scots will do what's best for them, but it will be very close and it's a one off shot.

If it's Yes then it's going to feel strange, somehow the UK of England, Wales & NI just doesn't cut it!

And the new flag...........

Geez I never thought of that Trans.....

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25205017

Edited September 7, 2014 by uptheos

[Neeranam]

I'm sure the Scots will do what's best for them, but it will be very close and it's a one off shot.

If it's Yes then it's going to feel strange, somehow the UK of England, Wales & NI just doesn't cut it!

And the new flag...........

Geez I never thought of that Trans.....

Well most the world actually thing the Union Jack is the English flag. There was a time where every tuk tuk in Bangkok had the flag on their back with England written below.

http://gizmodo.com/what-will-happen-to-the-union-jack-if-scotland-votes-fo-1629631016

Edited September 7, 2014 by Neeranam

[transam]

I'm sure the Scots will do what's best for them, but it will be very close and it's a one off shot.

If it's Yes then it's going to feel strange, somehow the UK of England, Wales & NI just doesn't cut it!

And the new flag...........

Geez I never thought of that Trans.....

Well most the world actually thing the Union Jack is the English flag. There was a time where every tuk tuk in Bangkok had the flag on their back with England written below.

Yeh, but seen the Swastika here too but they never heard of Hitler.............

[Bignose]

Lots of answers online.

Sounds they want all the benefits but don't want to pay for them, so they will still be a millstone around the neck of the UK

Your comment is a indicative of the mainstream English myopic and imperialistic view that the world revolves around your borders, Scotland has been the bedrock of the UK economy for generations and has subsidized the "soft" south for many, many years.

If the population of Scotland resist the white noise and scaremongering from the NO campaign, it will only take a few short years for it to become obvious that this should have been done years ago.

An independent and revitalized Scotland will never look back after it loses the handbrake called England...

Edited September 7, 2014 by Bignose

[Neeranam]

Well most the world actually thing the Union Jack is the English flag. There was a time where every tuk tuk in Bangkok had the flag on their back with England written below.

Yeh, but seen the Swastika here too but they never heard of Hitler.............

Similar reason, it's fashionable - looks good. Thais i know know who Hitler was. Sid Vicious, one of the most famous Englishmen, knew who Hitler was too but wore a swastika t-shirt,

[transam]

I read that the young will vote yes, the old will vote no..........What do I read in this..........

The young have been brought up in a "handout/benefit", nooooo problem society, but the old know how they fought for stuff and want to protect that fight, not lose it.

[NoshowJones]

I don't see how it could be bad for Scotland if they get to take the North Sea oil with them. They could be the next Norway. However, Scottish independence would consign the UK to the clutches of the Tories forever. Hard luck for the Brits in that case.

Labour are worse than the Tories, your last sentence tells me you are not from the UK, so you obviously don't know about the damage that was done by Blair and Brown, particularly where Immigration is concerned. Labour are supposed to be for the working claases, but they never were in my lifetime.

If Scotland gets it's independence, which I don't think they will, it won't change the MPs mindset which is always look out for themselves first.

[Baerboxer]

I don't see how it could be bad for Scotland if they get to take the North Sea oil with them. They could be the next Norway. However, Scottish independence would consign the UK to the clutches of the Tories forever. Hard luck for the Brits in that case.

Does Scotland owe any debt to the UK?

.

Yes part of the national debt which they say they will negotiate about after, no detail though.

That could get nasty. The hope is to use the Scottish portion of the debt as a bargaining chip to keep the use of the GBP. If that is not agreed and Scotland opt, as threatened to default on the debt then they will be a newly independent non-EU nation in debt default. Not a good start.

Salmond seems to, somewhat arrogantly, think the rest of the UK, the EU and international money markets and institutions will all simply agree to make Scotland a special case and write special new rules just to accommodate. They won't.

Unfortunately the SNP leaders see themselves as world statesmen/stateswomen rather than the glorified local council that they really are.

The devil is always in the detail and they really haven't addressed that. Somehow, should the vote be "yes", which I think is completely wrong for Scotland's future, all this detail will have to be addressed and not simply with the SNP scratching their <deleted> to come up with what to do and hoping every one goes along.

Scottish citizens would loose the right to travel with a UK passport as they are no longer British citizens, do not automatically enjoy the same travel rights and visa exemptions British citizens do and will have no protection under any treaties signed in the name of the UK. Of course Salmond thinks he can bluster and pretend otherwise and that every country will treat this all as a special case.

Time to wake up from his dream of seeing himself crowned first president and chief minister.

The romantic historical twaddle ain't reality - Scotland and Scots should continue to play the significant role in all aspects of the UK as we always have. If this campaign means more decentralized government for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and throughout England then it will have achieved something good. If Scotland leave the UK it will be a balls up and not got for Scots or Brits.