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Well, it seems to me that most of us responded to most of your points, on this and other threads- which one exactly was it that we missed?- and you've failed to respond to some of ours, which as you must know (as a doctor) is not exactly a strong way to make your case, whatever it is, based on the available evidence.

As to teaching-in-Thailand forums- I think I've read all your posts here. Were you here under another handle before?

Steven I know we have had our differences in the past but your first post on this topic was in my humble opinion right on the button.

Dr Fisher not wanting to drag this out to much - I think you may well be the one who is missing the point - The OP did not say he did not have an "Education" just he did not have a Degree. To save argument I refer to an extract from your post (Dr F) - How would you feel if someone in your native country did not have an education[/b

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I don't think Dr. Fisher's point about qualifications was completely off topic. The OP was pointing out that he wants to teach English in Chiang Mai, without a degree. And Dr. Fisher's right that there are a lot of factors pushing down wages in Chiang Mai, for many years now. Expats like me, who don't need 30K to survive. Sexpats, drunks, etc. - although I honestly think the competition is tough enough in CMai to weed those guys out real fast. They might survive in Lampang or Saraphi, Hang Dong, Mae Sot, Mae Sai, Mae Hong Son, etc., but not in Chiang Mai, where good teachers are in large supply.

But in a lot of places, a Romanian from Translylvania (like my old friend Richard W., BA, MA, paralegal, etc.) might do passably well out in the hinterlands, speaking English far better than most of the hard-working nice ladies who teach English to prathom students. Richard spoke as good English as I do, but with that accent from Dracula's hometown (really). :o

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I don't think Dr. Fisher's point about qualifications was completely off topic. The OP was pointing out that he wants to teach English in Chiang Mai, without a degree. And Dr. Fisher's right that there are a lot of factors pushing down wages in Chiang Mai, for many years now. Expats like me, who don't need 30K to survive. Sexpats, drunks, etc. - although I honestly think the competition is tough enough in CMai to weed those guys out real fast. They might survive in Lampang or Saraphi, Hang Dong, Mae Sot, Mae Sai, Mae Hong Son, etc., but not in Chiang Mai, where good teachers are in large supply.

Still nothing really to do with quals mate...unless being a bit 'thick' means you're more likely to enjoy sex and alcohol....which obviously isn't the case :o

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Agree with Mijan (all forgiven, mate! :o ) and Ken. PB, the good "Dr." did make that point about depressed wages, but as I previously responded, he's not in the same market as serious subject teachers who should get better money (him included, of course, unless he's a closet TEFLer and not telling us) and if he's willing to pay market rates for "real" teachers he'll get 'em for his kids. So my question stands: which point did we not "get?"

"Steven"

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To answerer your question no I wasn't here under another handle, it just goes to show I'm not the only one that feels this way, as a matter of fact I use my real name so I consider what I am saying. If I didn't answer you response immediately I'm sorry I don't sit here all day sending responses but I do try to keep up on them. And third I'm very happy my teachers had an education including my foreign teachers in Thailand.

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To answerer your question no I wasn't here under another handle, it just goes to show I'm not the only one that feels this way, as a matter of fact I use my real name so I consider what I am saying. If I didn't answer you response immediately I'm sorry I don't sit here all day sending responses but I do try to keep up on them. And third I'm very happy my teachers had an education including my foreign teachers in Thailand.

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To answerer your question no I wasn't here under another handle, it just goes to show I'm not the only one that feels this way, as a matter of fact I use my real name so I consider what I am saying. If I didn't answer you response immediately I'm sorry I don't sit here all day sending responses but I do try to keep up on them. And third I'm very happy my teachers had an education including my foreign teachers in Thailand.

Interesting Thread. I have no degree, willing to do a TEFL and work as a teacher in Thailand. You would say that I deprive kids of a good education with that:

-1: I have done 3,25 years of teachers education, just did not finish as I got a job as a private tutor and later managing the facilities.

-2: Have studied 2 years of psychology as part of personal development

-3: have done 10 years of private and individual tutoring up to first year of university level in Maths and physics and am currently working in the UK in an all english environment.

Who is more suitable to educate your kids? Me or someone with a business degree and a TEFL?

Hard to tell as I am capable of helping students pass there final exams in 20 hours 1 to 1 education in math.

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erikr, maybe you're an exception which tests the general rule. Your academic transcript would show lots of courses in education (pedagogy, psych & development, learning theory, etc.). You should include that in your resume, of course.

In my opinion, there's a difference between your transcripts and mine. You're 3/4ths of the way to full certification, and I'm nowhere.

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As usual, people who invested in degree education defend their position with very ignorant attitudes. I'm currently teaching 5 to 6 year old Thai students for 45k, with 25k extra from private students. My boss is English, with 20 years experience, and Masters of Language Arts and two of my collegues have Masters degrees. Despite my lack of degree or TEFL, they recognise me as a talented and very capable teacher capable of planning and writing course materials and examinations. The owner of the school is interested in education... But not institution. My English is above average, and I'm very capable of teaching people to spee kinglish. If you think I spelled that badly, ask a Thai to read it.

Try to support good people, and good teachers, and forgive people who are offended because they invested 12 years and lots of money. It should be obvious that drunks and backpackers should be driven out, but remember that they are often well qualified. Have faith that talented teachers can survive and drive out bad ones, and stop believing that university produces good, creative, or well educated people.

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As usual, people who invested in degree education defend their position with very ignorant attitudes. I'm currently teaching 5 to 6 year old Thai students for 45k, with 25k extra from private students. My boss is English, with 20 years experience, and Masters of Language Arts and two of my collegues have Masters degrees. Despite my lack of degree or TEFL, they recognise me as a talented and very capable teacher capable of planning and writing course materials and examinations. The owner of the school is interested in education... But not institution. My English is above average, and I'm very capable of teaching people to spee kinglish. If you think I spelled that badly, ask a Thai to read it.

Try to support good people, and good teachers, and forgive people who are offended because they invested 12 years and lots of money. It should be obvious that drunks and backpackers should be driven out, but remember that they are often well qualified. Have faith that talented teachers can survive and drive out bad ones, and stop believing that university produces good, creative, or well educated people.

I cant agree more. I feel that especially when it comes to teaching english in Thailand a local exam to get a teachers licencewould be more beneficial then a degree requirement.

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Well, if you truly want to help people and be a part of the solution rather than the problem here I suggest getting a degree. How would you feel if someone in your native country did not have an education and decided they wanted to be a teacher, would it even be legal? You will not likely get a work permit without an education because the schools that offer them are looking for permanent workers with an education but your chances of getting caught are slim to none because the school gets fined not you. As far as Text and Talk goes it is a good school and 1 of the 2 in Thailand accepted by the Thai board of education the other being CMU. Sorry, I don’t mean to sound hard about the topic (I’m not an English teacher by the way) but I get pissed when I see tourists that want to extend their vacation decide to be an educator, I spent a lot of money and 12 years of my life to get an education and if I felt I was committing a disservice to my students in anyway I would resign my position. Again sorry, I don't mean to hurt feelings it's just that I feel very strongly about this topic, mostly because I have children that I don't want in schools with uneducated teachers.

Very interesting but...

I don't have a degree. I wouldn't dream of offering my services as a "teacher" of any subject

other than , possibly , English.

My qualifications ?

Spotting that your last phrase does not express what you wanted to say.

Stay cool.

:o

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I agree, not all people who teach english are back packers, or go out and get drunk / whoring everynight during the week, if you have a genuine interest in teaching, and can offer a good service, then why not teach? im in the middle of my tefl right now, and if i dont do very well at it, i wont be teaching at all. As it turns out im really enjoying it, and i think il do ok. I dont have a degree and if i do get a teaching job, i will give it my all. im not the type of person who would go to school pissed, and if im sure i could do a better job than someone who did.

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As far as the students are concerned, I don't think they care if a teacher has a degree as long as they feel he or she is a good teacher and they are learning something. I do think that a teacher teaching in a university should have a degree at the same level or higher than the students being taught; higher preferably. On the other hand a teacher without a degree here has no solid future. What I mean is it's a crap shoot. Without a degree you could fall into just the right pockets and make a good living and retire peacefully and financially stable. You could also struggle with low paying jobs and eventually be pushed out of the market by increasing visa regulations and stricter screening procedures. A teacher with a degree, whether a good teacher or a poor teacher, has much better prospects for the future in Thailand and Asia as a whole. If your future plans are short-term, you are of retirement age and have enough savings or you are independently wealthy and just want to teach in Thaialnd to stay busy, then a degree is irrelevant. If your situation applies to none of the above, then you might rethink things a bit. I know I did.

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Due to recent events that I was told would never happen…Well, they happened, as I was saying, get an education and then welcome, stay as long as you like, with out an education welcome as a tourist not a teacher. How long did you think it could go on? Denial? They have medication for that? Peace and blessings wherever you go I honestly wish you the best of luck. Who said they would teach my child and I would be happy? I would like to hear your answer now.

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Um, there are still plenty of teachers teaching legally with work permit and visa, even without degrees. I know some of them myself. They are legal, they pay taxes, and they will not be ejected from the country under any version of the new "crackdown." I'm afraid you're celebrating too soon.

"S"

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