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Regarding Government Health Insurance, I friend of mine had surgery last week at the government hospital and they informed him that they would not be renewing is card.

I have a residence permit and I notice that my card is not like others as it looks different and they plainly spell out on top of the card that I am a permanent. Not sure if they will renew my card at the end of December.

Don,

You and I are paddling the same canoe. They told me that the gold card which we both currently hold will carry on indefinitely except that there may be an edict on the way that has us paying a percentage of the bill.

I'll post when I learn more.

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I would like to post my opinion about this but I am scared somebody might disagree with me or be rude to me so I won't bother.

In all seriousness, this echoes my feelings about all the forums on TV, not just Chiang Rai. I used to love the informative exchanges, but over the past few years it has just become a battleground. It's not worth the time or effort to comment, knowing you will be attacked for your thoughts. Lately, I've been wondering why I even bother reading such crap.

I think these are the most accurate posts about the trouble with this forum. The other forums on TV do seem to have plenty of "attackers" but they are mixed in with plentiful good posts. Many posts, but not all, get disparaging remarks by different members. On this Chiang Rai sub-forum, there really only seems to be one major attacker, but that member is relentless. I, and I'm certain many others also, don't want to post here because it's almost guaranteed they will be knocked for it by this member. It's really too bad as this could be a great place to exchange ideas. As they say, "One bad apple...".

Insert image of 2 grown men crying and one laughing here. My comment was clearly tongue in cheek. If you post an opinion on a forum, somebody will disagree with it. If you can't handle that, it says more about you than your "attackers".

Sticks and stones.......

Jeez...you couldn't just accept the complements, and remain silent? Your tongue and cheek comment was actually very insightful, but that was apparently unintentional.

Thanks for proving my point. No doubt, that was unintentional too.

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Jeez...you couldn't just accept the complements, and remain silent? Your tongue and cheek comment was actually very insightful, but that was apparently unintentional.

Thanks for proving my point. No doubt, that was unintentional too.

Probably as unintentional as you revealing yourself to be no different than the kind of person you are complaining about.

You can't have it both ways. Don't snipe at others and then cry or run away when they answer you back.

We all arrived here via different paths. Of course we won't always agree, and sometimes something somebody says may be taken the wrong way, but that is what gives a forum life. You just have to make sure that you respect the lines. There may have been a lot of good posters disappear over the last few years, but there are very few unanswered questions here so things seem to be getting along just fine and that will probably still be the case in the future as the current regular posters turn over and are replaced by others.

As I said before, if the fear that somebody will disagree with you is enough to stop you wanting to post then you really need to get over that, because unless you start your own forum and have power to censor others' opinions, sooner or later somebody somewhere will disagree with you and you can't always run away.

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I have no problem with disagreements. I can enjoy a healthy debate without crying or running away. But when the comments start getting vicious, personal, insulting, and off-topic to the point that the moderators have to remove them, it's no longer of any value and a waste of time. Six posts have already been removed from this thread. Those are the people I am complaining about, and I am not one of them. Nor did I say you are.

TV forums have been a source of great help, information, and entertainment for me. But over the last year or so, there has been a change in the environment that has been discouraging. I'm not the only one who has commented on it. Too many people just looking for a fight or trolling have lowered the quality, and made it a hostile place to get involved. I simply choose not to participate many times when I do have a comment to make. That's not fear, or running away crying; it's just finding better things to do.

Your original post, while humorous, did seem to allude to similar thinking. I was only agreeing with that thinking, as I believe Joey DaWrench was as well.

PS: I haven't cried or run away from anything in many years; certainly not over a post in TVF.

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If someone asks a question then someone will answer I guess, so It's not dead but it sure is quiet. Other Forums have there quite times too. The vast majority of forum readers seem to want to read but don't put anything back in the way of a contribution. I can't see that changing anytime soon.

A lot of people seem to have gone quiet but it would appear they are still around although maybe lurking for when the inevitable 'mediation' takes place. we are not allowed to discuss something that sounds like mediation so I won't . but it sure is entertaining when it takes place, but you get to miss the Gist of the conversation.

It would seem there are still a lot of Good folks around like Scea and Harrry and a few others and I've had quite a lot of fun over the years with VF. I don't bare a grudge, it's not like forums are the realworld. I wish other people wouldn't too but I may as well be barking at that frog that ate the Moon. I just wish we could get over ourselves and contribute to any forum we like, when we like.

This will probably be my last contribution to any forum for a while

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You posted:

I speak the language, I don’t speak disparagingly about Thais or Chinese, I don’t believe in the conspiracy theories of some, I am not trying to make a buck off of other members, I am always polite and courteous with everyone I meet, I have never asked to have a member removed from this forum, I never raise my voice or hurl insults or profanities at others and even when I think someone is an idiot I am too polite to say so.

I moved here much younger than most, I have never found Thailand to be a difficult or confusing place to live, I don’t have food fetishes or baggage from a past life and have never been into manual laborer.

I have never been divorced, have no children, receive no government support and have no health issues. I don’t smoke, drink, gamble, cheat on my wife or physically or emotionally abuse others.

While I certainly cannot attest to these statements, many of your posts certainly show a propensity towards what you have written above. I applaud you. I personally cannot claim all of those. Does that make you better or worse? No. Do these accolades give you the right to diminish my opinion or beliefs? No.

I’m simply looking for a more pleasant environment (in this forum) to exchange ideas. People have bad ideas. I’ve had more than my share. But I truly believe that most people won’t share their ideas if they feel there is a likelihood of being demeaned or maligned. And isn’t this a forum designed to promote the sharing of ideas?

It was written:

As I said before, if the fear that somebody will disagree with you is enough to stop you wanting to post then you really need to get over that, because unless you start your own forum and have power to censor others' opinions, sooner or later somebody somewhere will disagree with you and you can't always run away.

I have no problem at all with disagreement. Disagreement is healthy bringing insight and change. Debate is good. What I am referring to (as have others) is more akin to harassment. I really don’t think anyone is running away. I suspect there are a tremendous number of people who continue to read the posts, but won’t respond.

As curtklay said: I have no problem with disagreements. I can enjoy a healthy debate without crying or running away.

I suspect most TV members feel that way. (and I enjoyed the non-typo at the end of the Post Script).

At the end of it all, my bottom line is that I don’t want to go away, I do want to post helpful comments as well as receive them. I do want to read good insightful ideas, as I have certainly seen from the member I seem to be sparring with, even if I don’t always agree with them. I simply don’t want to do it with the looming undertone of harassment.

Which brings me back to the OP:

I don't visit this forum often but it seems unusually quiet. Is this forum dying? If so, what's up with that?

While my writings are only my own personal opinion, I believe that many others as well as myself have outlined “what’s up with that?”.

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If someone asks a question then someone will answer I guess, so It's not dead but it sure is quiet. Other Forums have there quite times too. The vast majority of forum readers seem to want to read but don't put anything back in the way of a contribution. I can't see that changing anytime soon.

A lot of people seem to have gone quiet but it would appear they are still around although maybe lurking for when the inevitable 'mediation' takes place. we are not allowed to discuss something that sounds like mediation so I won't . but it sure is entertaining when it takes place, but you get to miss the Gist of the conversation.

It would seem there are still a lot of Good folks around like Scea and Harrry and a few others and I've had quite a lot of fun over the years with VF. I don't bare a grudge, it's not like forums are the realworld. I wish other people wouldn't too but I may as well be barking at that frog that ate the Moon. I just wish we could get over ourselves and contribute to any forum we like, when we like.

This will probably be my last contribution to any forum for a while

So are you just leaving your indian tribal affiliations for some new less obvious titles to hide your identity, or are you actually going somewhere with the intent of not posting?

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Clearly some of you missed the running away reference but that is understandable since you weren’t around during that time. Perhaps we shouldn’t dwell on that one.

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I sincerely do not understand why the bickering and sniping comment I made was deleted. Did I miss something here? My posts have been very tame compared with that of other members here. If my posts are not up to your standards, then I would gladly say "So Long and Farewell". Adios Amigos. Hasta La Vista Baby!!!

NO need to reply. I am saying GOOD BYE TO Thai Visa!!!

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no doub't You could pick up on my bad grammar and punctuation instantly VF, so nowhere to Hide for us lesser individuals. Alas, my Identities are sometimes 'disappeared' . Plenty of Indian tribes still though, although I doub't I would bother signing up again .

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I think the biggest problem with any forum is that it is very easy for simple one off disagreements to escalate into ongoing feuds where people respond to the poster or what he has said previously, rather than the actual post.

Overcome this, and it is a step in the right direction.

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I have no problem with someone running off to build a new clubhouse to play in, where you have total control over the rules and the players, but trying to burn down the old one while you are on your way out the door, is inexcusable. You would think the whole scorched earth thing would have stopped after two years.

I say enough with all the vitriol and finger pointing. Lets move on and adopt a more civil tone. Two forums are probably not necessary but they do exist so lets leave it at that. There is no need for one to be based on hatred of the other and no further attempt should be made to disrupt this one.

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Op,

Is your question answered?

Or has the voice of reason convinced you to find another forum?

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I'm the OP. I must admit to being a bit lost. How my simple question led to two pages of comments and several deleted comments is beyond me. I didn't mean to pour salt into a wound, if that is what I have done.

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