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The use of the English language really sucks. ...."he was dead the next day on what was to be his first session". This says that he died BEFORE he started the treatment.

Thai Visa could use a native English speaker editor.

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Another outstanding endorsement for medical tourism for Thailand.

"an African hallucinogenic believed by some to be a radical cure for chronic addiction" It did what was promised.

The use of the English language really sucks. ...."he was dead the next day on what was to be his first session". This says that he died BEFORE he started the treatment.

That's exactly what it's supposed to say. The "clinic" wants people to believe he died of a self-administered overdose before treatment started, thus protecting what may laughably be called their "reputation". (For reputation read "ability to make large amounts of money from the extremely gullible and desperate".)

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i know 50 years old men who look younger than him..RIP

On the Andrew Drummond website there is more,but i cant link here

The DRUGS do it.

But on the flip side drug addicts and alcoholics often have beautiful girlfriends. Noticed it in Australia many times and here in Thailand too. If one wants to get a hot chick - get into drugs

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Another outstanding endorsement for medical tourism for Thailand.

Try engaging brain before moving towards keyboard - Thailand has some of the best hospitals in the world however this guy chose to go to a quack, given they exist in EVERY country how does that reflect badly on Thailand ? - I know of 2 people that were written off with cancer in the UK that were given new leases of life after treatment in Bangkok. One of them was told in the UK the cancer 'was not advanced enough' to warrant an operation !!!

A few years back I had a serious eye infection - went to a Bangkok hospital on a Saturday - they called in a consultant from home to see me. Her and her staff were fabulous to me throughout her day off and I then had treatment every other day for 3 weeks to clear it up. Bill incl drugs was just £246 (12,500b ?) - I thank god every day I wasn't in the UK where I would have gone blind waiting for a GP let alone get to a hospital

Yes, you are correct about the man choosing a quack and it has nothing to do with medial tourism. However, my problem arose during a nasal operation at a large private hospital in Udon Thani. Suffered eye muscle trauma during the operation and now need a second operation to hopefully rectify but by only up to 85% of my normal vision.

It's good to see others have had success but unfortunately I did not and have been only able to use one eye for 4 months now. So even if one goes to a reputable hospital, things can go wrong. Have found a large government University Hospital, which I swear by, and will have the eye op there as the cost is one fifth of the cost of the private hospital and I still get a private room and the best of food along with two professors working to rectify my sight..

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The use of the English language really sucks. ...."he was dead the next day on what was to be his first session". This says that he died BEFORE he started the treatment.

Thai Visa could use a native English speaker editor.

Learning to read might be a better option. Read first post & see who it was reported & written by before making such comments.

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A lot of people seem to have difficulty reading this article. He died. BEFORE he started Ibogaine treatment.

A treatment that is usually very effective and safe.

I guess the "staying clean for five days prior to treatment" part is the most difficult. Too bad the guy wasn't able to or he would most likely still be alive today and probably have no interest in heroin anymore. I know of three people who successfully beat their addictions after one Ibogaine treatment.

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Any lack of peer-reviewed studies of the efficacy of Ibogaine treatments would be due to the same reasons there are so few published university or government studies on the effectiveness of cannabis on seizures or cancer while there are thousands of cases with anecdotal evidence. Time-lapse shots of melanoma disappearing or children's seizures stopping after it's administration.

Iboga has been well proven by modern pharmacological and medical studies to be effective in treating various substance addictions ... esp. opium, morphine & heroine addictions.

Could you provide a link to a reputable, peer reviewed scientific journal which reports such studies?

I rather suspect you can't, but if you can I'd be most appreciative.

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Any lack of peer-reviewed studies of the efficacy of Ibogaine treatments would be due to the same reasons there are so few published university or government studies on the effectiveness of cannabis on seizures or cancer while there are thousands of cases with anecdotal evidence. Time-lapse shots of melanoma disappearing or children's seizures stopping after it's administration.

Iboga has been well proven by modern pharmacological and medical studies to be effective in treating various substance addictions ... esp. opium, morphine & heroine addictions.

Could you provide a link to a reputable, peer reviewed scientific journal which reports such studies?

I rather suspect you can't, but if you can I'd be most appreciative.

Sorry, I'm not understanding. HerbalEd says "Iboga has been well proven by modern pharmacological and medical studies", so there can't be "any lack of peer-reviewed studies". I'm sure HerbalEd can't be mistaken making such a bold assertion. I just wanted a few references to look up.

Searching Google Scholar* I see articles about how Ibogaine destroys brain cells, its biochemistry, and its effects on rats and mice, but only one article** in the first few pages which records a trial in a non-clinical setting where 1 out of 33 patients died. It only followed the patients for 72 hours and even in this short period some of them continued their drug seeking and/or continued to experience withdrawal symptoms.

* http://scholar.google.co.th/scholar?hl=en&q=Ibogaine

** Alper, K. R., Lotsof, H. S., Frenken, G. M. N., Luciano, D. J. and Bastiaans, J. (1999), Treatment of Acute Opioid Withdrawal with Ibogaine. The American Journal on Addictions, 8: 234–242.

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A lot of people seem to have difficulty reading this article. He died. BEFORE he started Ibogaine treatment.

A treatment that is usually very effective and safe.

I guess the "staying clean for five days prior to treatment" part is the most difficult. Too bad the guy wasn't able to or he would most likely still be alive today and probably have no interest in heroin anymore. I know of three people who successfully beat their addictions after one Ibogaine treatment.

That's disputed (that he died before the Ibogaine treatment). The police initial reports said that he died the night before the treatment began. According to Drummond, the deceased's girlfriend is claiming that the treatment started, he was given valium to calm him, then he died.

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The use of the English language really sucks. ...."he was dead the next day on what was to be his first session". This says that he died BEFORE he started the treatment.

That's exactly what it's supposed to say. The "clinic" wants people to believe he died of a self-administered overdose before treatment started, thus protecting what may laughably be called their "reputation". (For reputation read "ability to make large amounts of money from the extremely gullible and desperate".)

Can you provide a link that that is what the "clinic" wants people to believe?

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I spent a few minutes and found quite a few reports on successful treatments.

http://www.iceers.org/docs/science/iboga/Alper%20et%20al_1999_Acute_Opiate_Withdrawal.pdf

The outcome of the above study was all positive except for one woman who died from using heroin after treatment. They found charred tin foil in her effects. She didn't die from Ibogaine.

Here are some more:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929313.900-mindaltering-drug-could-offer-life-free-of-heroin.html#.VKBDcUBAJQ

http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/treatment.html

http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/index1626.html?PAGE=14

Even with a DEA license, scientists have a difficult time being able to conduct studies and have them published on non-mainstream drugs, especially if they have any pleasant side effects.

You can study the effects of poisons and carcinogens all day long but if you study something that gives you a little buzz like cannabis, it's an uphill battle getting approval.

Any lack of peer-reviewed studies of the efficacy of Ibogaine treatments would be due to the same reasons there are so few published university or government studies on the effectiveness of cannabis on seizures or cancer while there are thousands of cases with anecdotal evidence. Time-lapse shots of melanoma disappearing or children's seizures stopping after it's administration.

Iboga has been well proven by modern pharmacological and medical studies to be effective in treating various substance addictions ... esp. opium, morphine & heroine addictions.

Could you provide a link to a reputable, peer reviewed scientific journal which reports such studies?

I rather suspect you can't, but if you can I'd be most appreciative.

Sorry, I'm not understanding. HerbalEd says "Iboga has been well proven by modern pharmacological and medical studies", so there can't be "any lack of peer-reviewed studies". I'm sure HerbalEd can't be mistaken making such a bold assertion. I just wanted a few references to look up.

Searching Google Scholar* I see articles about how Ibogaine destroys brain cells, its biochemistry, and its effects on rats and mice, but only one article** in the first few pages which records a trial in a non-clinical setting where 1 out of 33 patients died. It only followed the patients for 72 hours and even in this short period some of them continued their drug seeking and/or continued to experience withdrawal symptoms.

* http://scholar.google.co.th/scholar?hl=en&q=Ibogaine

** Alper, K. R., Lotsof, H. S., Frenken, G. M. N., Luciano, D. J. and Bastiaans, J. (1999), Treatment of Acute Opioid Withdrawal with Ibogaine. The American Journal on Addictions, 8: 234242.

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The main Problem is Ibogaine leads to a Long-QT-Syndrom this can leads to a sudden cardiac death.

This effect can also be happen to very healthy persons, who never had any heart problems before.

It should not be allowed for Charlatans to use Ibogaine as an treatment, these bandits in Koh Phangan should getting a life sentence in Bangkok Hilton.

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Given that the life expectancy of a heroin addict is around 15 years, the highly unlikely chance they would die of cardiac arrest during one or two Ibogaine treatments still provides a better outcome. Ibogaine and ayahuasca are widely used and there are few fatalities. Like I said, I know of three people who were treated with Ibogaine and haven't used narcotics since. The earliest was 14 years ago. Chances are at least one of them would be dead by now. Ibogaine saved their lives. I don't think people should be making money off it though. Pay for the Ibogaine and let someone with experience administer it.

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