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Another outstanding endorsement for medical tourism for Thailand.

"an African hallucinogenic believed by some to be a radical cure for chronic addiction" It did what was promised.

Given that the life expectancy of a heroin addict is around 15 years, the highly unlikely chance they would die of cardiac arrest during one or two Ibogaine treatments still provides a better outcome. Ibogaine and ayahuasca are widely used and there are few fatalities. Like I said, I know of three people who were treated with Ibogaine and haven't used narcotics since. The earliest was 14 years ago. Chances are at least one of them would be dead by now. Ibogaine saved their lives. I don't think people should be making money off it though. Pay for the Ibogaine and let someone with experience administer it.

That's the main thing isn't it, that it should be admistered with proper medical supervision? All this talk about big pharma selling even more dangerous stuff is beside the point even if true. As with Ibogaine, many mainstream medical treatments are safe and effective when administered properly but dangerous if administered by someone who doesn't know what they are doing. It doesn't follow that because mainstream medicine has wrongly shunned a treatment that it's OK for people who don't believe in modern medicine to set up unregulated businesses offering the treatment.

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The use of the English language really sucks. ...."he was dead the next day on what was to be his first session". This says that he died BEFORE he started the treatment.

That's exactly what it's supposed to say. The "clinic" wants people to believe he died of a self-administered overdose before treatment started, thus protecting what may laughably be called their "reputation". (For reputation read "ability to make large amounts of money from the extremely gullible and desperate".)

Can you provide a link that that is what the "clinic" wants people to believe?

I don't think that ThaiVisa allows linking to Drummond's website but among other things he reports that the deceased's mother and fiancee "claimed Brodie did not die as a result of injecting himself with drugs in the bathroom of Room 4 in the Utopia Resort in Koh Phangan, as claimed by the programme providers Victor Cracknell and Michael Picone, from Buffalo, New York". If the clinic operators told the police that the guy died before the treatment began, then it's reasonable to assume that's what the clinic wants people to believe.

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The use of the English language really sucks. ...."he was dead the next day on what was to be his first session". This says that he died BEFORE he started the treatment.

That's exactly what it's supposed to say. The "clinic" wants people to believe he died of a self-administered overdose before treatment started, thus protecting what may laughably be called their "reputation". (For reputation read "ability to make large amounts of money from the extremely gullible and desperate".)

Can you provide a link that that is what the "clinic" wants people to believe?

I don't think that ThaiVisa allows linking to Drummond's website but among other things he reports that the deceased's mother and fiancee "claimed Brodie did not die as a result of injecting himself with drugs in the bathroom of Room 4 in the Utopia Resort in Koh Phangan, as claimed by the programme providers Victor Cracknell and Michael Picone, from Buffalo, New York". If the clinic operators told the police that the guy died before the treatment began, then it's reasonable to assume that's what the clinic wants people to believe.

My bad...just a tongue and cheek joke about links.

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I researched Ibogaine Treatment many years ago (about 15 in fact) and there were many studies being undertaken-unfortunately funding for full on critical scientific evaluation in America was not forthcoming. The general consensus was that, provided the treatment was conducted under total medical control-there was a high chance of success; heart arrhythmia was a very definite side effect and total monitoring was essential.

It doesn't seem, from watching the Coconuts 'Documentary'that this was in any way medically or clinically/scientifically overseen. Sorry that this guy went to such a 'low key'establishment, and not to somewhere that really could have helped him.

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