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Prajin pledges first rail route to finish in two years

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BANGKOK: -- Transport Minister ACM Prajin Juntong said the country's first standard-gauge rail route from Nong Khai to Rayong and Bangkok would be completed in two years or by 2017.

He said Thai and Chinese authorities will discuss the construction of the first rail route on January 20-22.

The meeting will be the first since the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding on rail network development in December.

ACM Prachin said the design, route details, land expropriation issued and the formation of a joint administrative committee to oversee the work, would be among topics to be discussed.

The second meeting from February 5-7 will concentrate on financial matters, particularly contribution to the project and the investment period.

ACM Prajin said Chinese authorities will submit a list of financial institutions interested in financing the construction, and lending conditions.

Survey of the route is scheduled from February to early March while full details of the project including financing should be concluded by August, ACM Prajin said.

The standard 1.435-metre gauge tracks will enable trains to travel at up to 180 kilometres per hour and can accommodate high-speed trains up to 250 kilomettes per hour in the future.

At present, the country’s rail network uses a 1-metre gauge

The project consists of two routes, first is . the 734 kilometres route running from Nong Khai province to Map Ta Phut deep-sea port in Rayong via Nakhon Ratchasima province and Kaeng Khoi district of Saraburi province.

The second route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok is 133 kilometres long.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/prajin-pledges-first-rail-route-finish-two-years

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The project consists of two routes, first is . the 734 kilometres route running from Nong Khai province to Map Ta Phut deep-sea port in Rayong via Nakhon Ratchasima province and Kaeng Khoi district of Saraburi province.

So according too the ''expert'' this engineering feat will be completed in two years.

One dreads to think what the P.Way standards and construction as well as the signaling system and the general infrastructure needed to run a railway safely.

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I think most of us have first hand experience of Thai project delivery deadlines. So when the Transportation Minister says 2 years, we automatically think . . . ok, 2 years, double that then add in additional time for uncertainties, and we figure that the real timeframe will be anywhere from an optimistic figure of 4.5 years to a more practical estimate of 6 years to never. whistling.gif

That is just for planning how to allocate the contract to conduct the bidding.

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"The standard 1.435-metre gauge tracks will enable trains to travel at up to 180 kilometres per hour and can accommodate high-speed trains up to 250 kilomettes per hour in the future..."

so are there safety standards like in the aircraft industries which prevents Thais from supplying parts and doing maintenance? whistling.gif

what do the commies get out of this?

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega Kunming–Singapore Railway spearheaded by China:

  1. The Kunming–Yuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
  2. The Yuxi–Mohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
  3. The Yuxi–Mengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
  4. The Mengzi–Hekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.

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Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

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Impossible. It takes over 2 years just to build a simple road underpass here in Chiang Mai.

I suppose you are talking about the one in Maerim

The number of breaks and holidays and stop work they had ...wow !

I will be surprised if they finish that in 3 years time making it a grand 5 !

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega KunmingSingapore Railway spearheaded by China:

  • The KunmingYuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
  • The YuxiMohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
  • The YuxiMengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
  • The MengziHekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.
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Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

Using stats for Yunnan is pretty pointless. It is incredibly mountainous.

Most of these lines are running on pretty flat land, but still 2 years is impossible.

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Reporting 4 years to complete this morning, but, about all they could do in that time is lay a 3rd rail, you would not put it past them would you? We must hope for a lot of Chinese input. I expect what it will come down to is this "you do it our way or there is no money for the railway!"

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As someone who has had no experience with rail construction I am absolutely awed by the knowledge of the posters on this subject.

They must have had between them many years in the industry, their home countries must have been devastated to lose their talent.

But then it would appear to be the same on any subject, expat experts on everything.

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As someone who has had no experience with rail construction I am absolutely awed by the knowledge of the posters on this subject.

They must have had between them many years in the industry, their home countries must have been devastated to lose their talent.

But then it would appear to be the same on any subject, expat experts on everything.

I dont think you need to be an expert in rail construction to see that a 2 year timeline on planning, financing, expropriation and completion 867 km of tracking is ridiculous in any country not least Thailand. Just having a functioning brain cell should suffice.

The fact that you cannot see or admit this is complete BS either underlines your inability to think logically and rationally on a matter, or means due to your political beliefs are unable to criticize anything the current persons do. I expect a mixture of them both.

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega KunmingSingapore Railway spearheaded by China:

  • The KunmingYuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
  • The YuxiMohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
  • The YuxiMengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
  • The MengziHekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.
goof.gif

Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

Using stats for Yunnan is pretty pointless. It is incredibly mountainous.

Most of these lines are running on pretty flat land, but still 2 years is impossible.

I agree with you, absolutely pointless and why miss out the Beijing to Shanghai High Speed Rail 1,318kms long and only took 2 years to complete (track laying only took 4 months). It was opened officially a year later. However they have to keep SRT away from this project completely, which I understand they will do. Hopewell project was a complete shambles thanks to the SRT's and delay tactics especially with regards to handing over the land and right of way.

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega KunmingSingapore Railway spearheaded by China:

  • The KunmingYuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
  • The YuxiMohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
  • The YuxiMengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
  • The MengziHekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.
goof.gif

Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

Using stats for Yunnan is pretty pointless. It is incredibly mountainous.

Most of these lines are running on pretty flat land, but still 2 years is impossible.

I agree with you, absolutely pointless and why miss out the Beijing to Shanghai High Speed Rail 1,318kms long and only took 2 years to complete (track laying only took 4 months). It was opened officially a year later. However they have to keep SRT away from this project completely, which I understand they will do. Hopewell project was a complete shambles thanks to the SRT's and delay tactics especially with regards to handing over the land and right of way.

I am just thinking aloud here as I was privy to the planning of the line in the south

2 years in the Chinese books is not impossible to complete as the Beijing - Shanghai line was longer and completed on time

However in comparing that in China vs the current climate in Thailand ...I would think the current "vibe" against the Chinese tourists invasion would make land clearance the biggest hurdle for this project and not just this line

The Chinese would need Prayut to be completely firm which may explain why the next government or voting will not be in power till 2016.

Lots of hurdles along the way for this to be completed and I think the political climate and Thais affinity to land will make it harder as compared to a similar project in China where everything is basically state owned.

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega KunmingSingapore Railway spearheaded by China:

  • The KunmingYuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
  • The YuxiMohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
  • The YuxiMengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
  • The MengziHekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.
goof.gif

Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

Using stats for Yunnan is pretty pointless. It is incredibly mountainous.

Most of these lines are running on pretty flat land, but still 2 years is impossible.

but the Chinese railroad doesn't need to build unmanned level crossings every 5 miles. That takes extra time too.

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I hope they will take some time to talk about quality as using only earth water and dumper / steamrollers and graders will not be the base for high speed trains In my area around Khon Kaen the money for the roads goes away somewhere and the new roads are damaged already after less than one year. They should use good quality and perfect survey during the construction including survey for the money.....................

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Two years, five years. China is taking a financial risk to to design and construct this railway.

The Junta borrowed 80% of the cost from the Chinese. If the Junta loses power and is replaced by a government that does not consider the Junta as a legitimate government, any ot the Junta's foreign treaties and financial transactions might be legally nullified by the new government as actions in violation of the 2007 Constitution, irrespective of any new constitution contrived by the Junta. The State would then have a sovereign right to nationalize ownership of the railway and cancel its loan obligations to China. The railway becomes the Thai wai. wai2.gif

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