Prajin pledges first rail route to finish in two years

[djjamie]

Amazing what <deleted> they come out with when it's not allowed to criticise them...........

The PTP have openly criticized the government. The DEMS have openly criticized the government. Even the newspapers have criticized the government forcing Prayut to lodge a complaint with the press association. A lot of people on this forum are critical of this government to and their posts are freely viewed.

So rest assured if people are critical of this project then it will be published, discussed and aired.

[LawrenceChee]

Two years, five years. China is taking a financial risk to to design and construct this railway.

The Junta borrowed 80% of the cost from the Chinese. If the Junta loses power and is replaced by a government that does not consider the Junta as a legitimate government, any ot the Junta's foreign treaties and financial transactions might be legally nullified by the new government as actions in violation of the 2007 Constitution, irrespective of any new constitution contrived by the Junta. The State would then have a sovereign right to nationalize ownership of the railway and cancel its loan obligations to China. The railway becomes the Thai wai.

You are assuming the Chinese would forget .... ? Irregardless of the mix of the Thai government in the future, it would be foolish to renege on a potential deal with one of the biggest giants in Asia

The other way ....if it goes really sour is for China to put money into Cambodia and Myanmar to spite the Thais and that according to the history books would be a bitter pill for Thailand if somehow the other 2 neighbors become more successful

Well technically they really already have proper 4G & 3G which is superior to True or AIS but good luck getting the Thais to believe that

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

Impossible. It takes over 2 years just to build a simple road underpass here in Chiang Mai.

Don't be so negative, the Chinese will give all the workers a couple of bottles of Lippo and some Yaba pills for lunch and they will work like maniacs.

[ExPratt]

These are pictures taken from reports I wrote in china High speed rail projects. They are taken from various reports , not sure if they will come out well, check the quality and safety that you will getting on the Thai projects

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[BSJ]

These are pictures taken from reports I wrote in china High speed rail projects. They are taken from various reports , not sure if they will come out well, check the quality and safety that you will getting on the Thai projects

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Looks normal Chinese quality to me....what's the problem?

[Thai at Heart]

Two years, five years. China is taking a financial risk to to design and construct this railway.

The Junta borrowed 80% of the cost from the Chinese. If the Junta loses power and is replaced by a government that does not consider the Junta as a legitimate government, any ot the Junta's foreign treaties and financial transactions might be legally nullified by the new government as actions in violation of the 2007 Constitution, irrespective of any new constitution contrived by the Junta. The State would then have a sovereign right to nationalize ownership of the railway and cancel its loan obligations to China. The railway becomes the Thai wai.

Welcome to doing business in Asia. Guanxi goes a long way.

[ExPratt]

Looks normal Chinese quality to me....what's the problem?

Nothing at all, thats just what you want when building a state of the art high speed railway

Marvelous isn't it , I'd imagine they are even BETTER when constructing in someone else's country

[ExPratt]

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Reporting 4 years to complete this morning, but, about all they could do in that time is lay a 3rd rail, you would not put it past them would you? We must hope for a lot of Chinese input. I expect what it will come down to is this "you do it our way or there is no money for the railway!"

It wont have a third rail , it will be OCS (Overhead Line)You cannot hit those speeds with third rail

[ExPratt]

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega KunmingSingapore Railway spearheaded by China:

• The KunmingYuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
• The YuxiMohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
• The YuxiMengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
• The MengziHekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.

Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

Using stats for Yunnan is pretty pointless. It is incredibly mountainous.

Most of these lines are running on pretty flat land, but still 2 years is impossible.

I agree with you, absolutely pointless and why miss out the Beijing to Shanghai High Speed Rail 1,318kms long and only took 2 years to complete (track laying only took 4 months). It was opened officially a year later. However they have to keep SRT away from this project completely, which I understand they will do. Hopewell project was a complete shambles thanks to the SRT's and delay tactics especially with regards to handing over the land and right of way.

No it didn't it took 6 years , started in 2004, don't forget 1318KM is 2636 km of track. The civils were massive on there

[ExPratt]

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A 734 kilometre long dual track rail line running from Nong Khai province to Rayong, built concurrently with a second 133 kilometre long route from Kaeng Khoi to Bangkok, enabling speeds up to 180 kph (up to 250 kph in the future) will be planned, designed and constructed in two years?

Let's contrast that with some of the other sections of the mega KunmingSingapore Railway spearheaded by China:

• The KunmingYuxi Railway or Kunyu Railway is a single-track railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 55.5 km (34 mi) from Kunming to Yuxi and was built from 1989 to 1993. Bridges and tunnels account for 22% of the total length of the line.
• The YuxiMohan Railway or Yumo Railway is a double track electrified line, 487.7 km (303 mi) in length running from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mohan, a town in Mengla County on the border with Laos in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture of southern Yunnan. The line will be capable of accommodating trains traveling at speeds of up to 200 km/h (124 mph), and was reported to take five years to build.
• The YuxiMengzi Railway or Yumeng Railway, is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 141 km (88 mi) from Yuxi in central Yunnan to Mengzi City in southern Yunnan. Construction began on December 15, 2005, and the line opened to commercial service on February 23, 2013.
• The MengziHekou Railway or Menghe Railway is a railroad in Yunnan Province of Southwest China. The line runs 140 km (87 mi) from Mengzi City in southern Yunnan to the Hekou Yao Autonomous County on the border with Vietnam. Construction began in December 2008 and the line entered operation in December 2014.

Edit: Apparently they were thinking more realistically when they first announced this plan...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/747329-ncpo-approves-us34-billion-rail-line-project-plan/

Using stats for Yunnan is pretty pointless. It is incredibly mountainous.

Most of these lines are running on pretty flat land, but still 2 years is impossible.

I agree with you, absolutely pointless and why miss out the Beijing to Shanghai High Speed Rail 1,318kms long and only took 2 years to complete (track laying only took 4 months). It was opened officially a year later. However they have to keep SRT away from this project completely, which I understand they will do. Hopewell project was a complete shambles thanks to the SRT's and delay tactics especially with regards to handing over the land and right of way.

I am just thinking aloud here as I was privy to the planning of the line in the south

2 years in the Chinese books is not impossible to complete as the Beijing - Shanghai line was longer and completed on time

However in comparing that in China vs the current climate in Thailand ...I would think the current "vibe" against the Chinese tourists invasion would make land clearance the biggest hurdle for this project and not just this line

The Chinese would need Prayut to be completely firm which may explain why the next government or voting will not be in power till 2016.

Lots of hurdles along the way for this to be completed and I think the political climate and Thais affinity to land will make it harder as compared to a similar project in China where everything is basically state owned.

I keep seeing this "2 years" quote. It was not , My company were part of Deutsche Bahn and worked for MOR as foreign technical support, the construction started in 2004. How on earth could you build over 2 and half thousand kilometers of track in 4 months.