webfact Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Frustrated Phuket beach guard lashes out at touristTanyaluk SakootThe lifeguards face a tough job, but kicking tourists isn't part of it.PHUKET: -- Sheer frustration at the stubborn wrong-headedness of people who ignore red flag warnings at beaches exploded on Monday (January 12) when a beach lifeguard at Naiharn shouted at and then kicked a Russian tourist.An expat Phuket News reader who witnesses the explosion described it.“Just before sunset lifeguards put up a red flag. A few minutes later a lifeguard was shouting at people to get out of the water. As people left the water he continued to shout at them, getting the attention of nearby swimmers on the beach.“Then he approached one couple and shouted at them but they simply walked away. Then he approached a man, woman and child and began shouting at them.“The man shrugged his shoulders, apparently confused. The lifeguard then really began to have a go at the man and flipped him the middle finger.“The tourist returned the gesture and the lifeguard started to run after the man. The man ran away and it appeared to be over.“Then two minutes later the two were back together, jawing at one another. Then the lifeguard took off his shirt and squared up to the man. The man backed up but then the lifeguard swung at the man twice before kicking him in the leg.“He then got into a Thai boxing stance as if to continue. A few people got in the middle and more lifeguards arrived on the scene. But rather than simply ushering their co-worker away, the other lifeguards basically squared up to everyone as well.“No tourist was being aggressive. I know the lifeguards have a rough time here but in this incident the aggressor and the rest of the lifeguards were well out of line.“They’d only just put up the one pole and then this guy just seemed to lose it. I speak some decent Thai and really wanted to ask the guy why he was so angry but he was so worked up I didn’t feel safe approaching him.”Chula Montri, 43, head of the Naiharn beach lifeguards, was unapologetic. He told The Phuket News, “There were heavy waves at the time and three or four tourists needed help from the team to get out of the water.“It was a hard job for the team and they were tired [because of it].“Some tourist obeyed the lifeguards’ urging [to leave the water]. But one man, a Russian, did not want to come back to the beach, even though he was in red flag area.“The lifeguard wanted him to swim in another, safer area, but he would not listen. He came to the beach and started arguing with the lifeguard. The lifeguard kicked him once because he was overwrought, and the man walked away.”Mr Chula added, “Sometime it is hard for us to communicate with them. Other foreigners do help us to explain [the rules] in some cases. We set out the red flags at dangerous parts of the beach but some tourists still go in the water.“From New Year until now it has been very hard work trying to control naughty tourists.”Source: http://www.thephuketnews.com/frustrated-phuket-beach-guard-lashes-out-at-tourist-50562.php-- Phuket News 2015-01-15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luudee Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 I wonder who controls the naughty Life Guards .... 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bung Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 Great. These guys are on the frontline of tourism here and what happens? He loses it and his mates jump in and "squared up" Just typical thugs. 39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes, I understand their frustrations, but no, that is not good behaviour. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bobobirdiebuddy Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 "They were tired" is often an excuse for bad behavior. They are punks is more to the point. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bung Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 They often use terms like " i was enraged" or "i was overwrought" like it is an excuse for them and somehow it makes it ok. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dogmatix Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Thainess. Edited January 15, 2015 by Dogmatix 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Costas2008 Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 "They were tired" is often an excuse for bad behavior. They are punks is more to the point. Yes, agree with you....... They are punks because they are trying to prevent other people from drowning. They are punks because they risk their lives to save other peoples lives. I hope when you are in danger, one of those punks is near you to save your life. 44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bung Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 They should go back to renting out jetskis. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 They should go back to renting out jetskis. Huh? Maybe best to only comment on things you have at least a marginal idea what you're talking about. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smedly Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 someone needs to explain to these guys that the way of the thug has no place anywhere when dealing with tourists, if the water is choppy and they put up a red flag and some tourists ignore it then that Is up to them but they shouldn't expect any help if they get into trouble - up to them Thais have a habit of overstepping their authority that they think they have when they don't and then trying to enforce it with violence, also shouting and being rude is no way to get anyone to listen, these people need to be taken to the side and given a few training days on how and how not to deal with tourists The guy in question should be spoken too and if he still doesn't get it then sack him 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustAnotherFarang Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 No need for thai apologists to insinuate that it must have been the fault of the tourists.. No matter what thai people do they not only absolve themselves of any guilt but eagerly point the finger at those they have wronged. Mickey Mouse country that becomes more and more 2 dimensional every day. JAF 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mango Bob Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 This should make it to the western newspapers in the next few days to go along with the Discover Thainess campaign . 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SlyAnimal Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 Not surprised at all by this type of behaviour, or by the response of the lifeguard's boss. When my wife and I were last in Phuket, while at Kamala Beach some Russians wanted to move their beach chairs closer to the water, the guy managing it said they couldn't, the Russians argued with him, and then he kicked their gf in the chest so that she fell over, and pulled out one of the 1m long metal spikes with pointy ends (that they use for securing the beach umbrellas) and started shouting at them. The Russians were obviously pretty angry at the fact that he'd just kicked their girlfriend, but didn't want to fight a lunatic with a metal pole, so were backing away, at which point he wanted to chase them, and was really trying to aggravate the situation. I then went up and told him to calm down etc in Thai, and started talking to him, he then calmed down. Later, he came over to have a chat with most of the people on the beach, and gave out a few free cokes to people, as he tried to do a bit of a "PR job", but he wasn't really apologetic, only for the fact that we saw what happened, not that he'd just hit a woman and wielded a deadly weapon, simply that we saw it. It was also very clear, that he really didn't like Russians. It's because of incidents like this news article, and what happened to us in Kamala, that when our friends/family say they want to goto Phuket, we try to suggest other locations instead, as so many of the people working in Phuket are hostile and don't treat tourists with any respect (And if they see me, they think I'm a tourist too, and so initially treat me in exactly the same way until they know otherwise (Then they try to pretend to become buddies with my wife and I, once they realise we're not the enemy)). 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 "They were tired" is often an excuse for bad behavior. They are punks is more to the point. Yes, agree with you....... They are punks because they are trying to prevent other people from drowning. They are punks because they risk their lives to save other peoples lives. I hope when you are in danger, one of those punks is near you to save your life. No, they are punks for starting to assault and fight with the people they are supposed to protect. 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 some people are just not suited to deal with the public as their job description so often requires. I wonder if any training is conducted prior to putting this group or any other out, where they are tasked to make the rules, that keep people out of harms way and enforec same? Somehow i doubt that those in charge of this are even capable of conducting such a ''introduction to lifeguarding'' class much less monitoring and correcting those working under their supervision. It is seldomn we as farang encounter service oriented people involved in the tourst trade, especially those who are not part of the money trail of ''them to us''. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FiestyFarang Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) I suggest some of the readers be less racist or do not live here. These guys day in day out risk their life to help and save people with very little equipment like jet-skis in Australia. Then you get people who ignore red flags which should be obvious what it means and be disrespectful. The lifeguards have to put up with disrespect probably every day. I see some of the tourists they come here and look down on Thais. They would not behave the same in their own country. Most of the tourists here are budget end people and not educated. Edited January 15, 2015 by FiestyFarang 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bubblegum Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 If you work in the tourist industries you know what to expect and should not lose your head. Plain simple ! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
how241 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Not surprised at all by this type of behaviour, or by the response of the lifeguard's boss. When my wife and I were last in Phuket, while at Kamala Beach some Russians wanted to move their beach chairs closer to the water, the guy managing it said they couldn't, the Russians argued with him, and then he kicked their gf in the chest so that she fell over, and pulled out one of the 1m long metal spikes with pointy ends (that they use for securing the beach umbrellas) and started shouting at them. The Russians were obviously pretty angry at the fact that he'd just kicked their girlfriend, but didn't want to fight a lunatic with a metal pole, so were backing away, at which point he wanted to chase them, and was really trying to aggravate the situation. I then went up and told him to calm down etc in Thai, and started talking to him, he then calmed down. Later, he came over to have a chat with most of the people on the beach, and gave out a few free cokes to people, as he tried to do a bit of a "PR job", but he wasn't really apologetic, only for the fact that we saw what happened, not that he'd just hit a woman and wielded a deadly weapon, simply that we saw it. It was also very clear, that he really didn't like Russians. It's because of incidents like this news article, and what happened to us in Kamala, that when our friends/family say they want to goto Phuket, we try to suggest other locations instead, as so many of the people working in Phuket are hostile and don't treat tourists with any respect (And if they see me, they think I'm a tourist too, and so initially treat me in exactly the same way until they know otherwise (Then they try to pretend to become buddies with my wife and I, once they realise we're not the enemy)). Wow !!! What a story about a 'nice' day at the beach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dezeure Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 What pathetic excuse is this? That's like saying I am tired of these imbicil Thai drivers, so can I run them over now? This country is going completely wrong and if nothing is done about this monkey behavior they will all get to go back and plant rice... Why not give the life guards a sign with explanation of flags in few languages... Then those tourists not understanding their southern Thai will know what that means. Red flag = no swimming. Swimming only allowed in XXX zone. Put this in English, Chinese, and Russian and you got 90% of tourists covered... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post surfinglife Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 I've been a lifeguard myself in the past, I do go to Phuket to surf when the surf is up and I know exactly how the lifeguard feels. Easy to lose one's head when people are sometimes just plain stupid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dezeure Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 I suggest some of the readers be less racist or do not live here. These guys day in day out risk their life to help and save people with very little equipment like jet-skis in Australia. Then you get people who ignore red flags which should be obvious what it means and be disrespectful. The lifeguards have to put up with disrespect probably every day. I see some of the tourists they come here and look down on Thais. They would not behave the same in their own country. Most of the tourists here are budget end people and not educated. So that gives them around to start fighting??? Remember that 80% of this country is uneducated.. But that doesn't give me or anyone any right to fight them... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavezzi Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Yes, I understand their frustrations, but no, that is not good behaviour. intent does matter and if he was able to get those 2 out of a danger he did his job. someone needs to explain to these guys that the way of the thug has no place anywhere when dealing with tourists, if the water is choppy and they put up a red flag and some tourists ignore it then that Is up to them but they shouldn't expect any help if they get into trouble - up to them Thais have a habit of overstepping their authority that they think they have when they don't and then trying to enforce it with violence, also shouting and being rude is no way to get anyone to listen, these people need to be taken to the side and given a few training days on how and how not to deal with tourists The guy in question should be spoken too and if he still doesn't get it then sack him Thailand need time before being like Hawaii. I then went up and told him to calm down etc in Thai, and started talking to him, he then calmed down. You was lucky. Some just take a break and then fight back the "calmer". Is it on my "not to do" list, both with thai and farang. Once I did it and he wanted kill me, hopefully his 7 friends was wise enough to stop him. Can you imagine if his 7 friends were with him? a massacre for what? Edited January 15, 2015 by lavezzi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No need for thai apologists to insinuate that it must have been the fault of the tourists.. No matter what thai people do they not only absolve themselves of any guilt but eagerly point the finger at those they have wronged. Mickey Mouse country that becomes more and more 2 dimensional every day. JAF Relax man no danger, more more Thai bashers than Thai apologists around here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammbock Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 These Lifeguards soon will be upgraded to Jetski operators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender92 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Man, many Russians need kicking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandi Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thais generally don't show their anger, or if they do, they show it with a smile, even though inside they might be furious. Most of the time they can keep up their disguise, but sometimes can't and they explode. And if they explode, they do it like a maniac. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rickster Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) They should go back to renting out jetskis. Huh? Maybe best to only comment on things you have at least a marginal idea what you're talking about.He does know what he's talking about. When they reduced the amount of jet skis on Phuket beaches they called on the ex jet ski employees to help with life guard duties. Hence why these thugs acted the way they did and the poster suggesting they go back to renting jet skis. How silly do you feel now, apologise to the man!! Edited January 15, 2015 by Rickster 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canman Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 I suggest some of the readers be less racist or do not live here. These guys day in day out risk their life to help and save people with very little equipment like jet-skis in Australia. Then you get people who ignore red flags which should be obvious what it means and be disrespectful. The lifeguards have to put up with disrespect probably every day. I see some of the tourists they come here and look down on Thais. They would not behave the same in their own country. Most of the tourists here are budget end people and not educated. This is just bigotry of lowered expectation. I have been to beaches all over Australia and have never seen an Australian lifeguard assault a tourist. Same in Bali. You seem to think that we should make allowances because these thugs are Thai. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post laislica Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 3 years ago on the beach at Karon in February. No flags, water looked lovely. In we went, it was great for a few minutes. About waist deep when, with no warning a huge wave came in, knocked several of us over and under water. I lost a lens from my expensive varifocal, colour changing specs and lost the skin off one knee. Copped a couple of bruises. Gulped a lung full of water and thought I'd bought it! Luckly it was only one wave, had there been a second wave I would have drowned for sure! It appears that it can happen very quickly on those beaches, the lifeguards must know that and this knowledge causes the urgency perhaps. As another poster said, provide the guards with info in several languages. Put up big notices to explain how quick things can change and that the public must act immediately to instruction from the Guards. Again, in several languages. The guard was wrong to react violently but if I were a Life Guard, I might also get frustrated as well. The answer must be better tools and regular training of both the guards and the public. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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