Forget Diet and Exercise - Blame our Hormones!

[mommysboy]

Believe what you like. You're splitting hairs now.

Well I took issue with the statement "Much more effective". As it stands it says "seems to be more effective". That is a big hair to split.

Perhaps just a simple misunderstanding. And as I say I do see the argument is sound in quantitative terms. An obese person would have to live on the treadmil, simply not a sole strategy that can work. Dieting is the only way.

Is it possible that the reason why exercise alone did not bear fruit was because you simply went home and ate even more? And once you realised this and really got to grips with calories in/calories out dynamic you went from strength to strength.

Only surmising as it is exactly the sort of thing I would do.

Not often do I come to JT his defense but I too believe eating less is far more effective as exercising more. I do of course workout quite hard in my gym but to burn 500 cals one needs to really do a lot. Most of us can't do that every day (I could not with the kind of exercise I do as my body needs to recover). Even if you could 500 cals is over an our of intense exercise.

Its easier to eat 500 cals less, however combine exercise and a better diet and your there.

Before I lost my 25 kg I had a crap diet but did workout hard in my gym (always have) but I could not outrain a bad diet.

I am not having a go at JT. Just a little puzzled and tend to be suspicious of many studies.

The way I see it if person A goes to the gym does 500 calories worth of work out and eats the same, then the werght will come off at the same rate as person B who diets away 500 calories worth of food. Surely that is just physics and logic.

If not then the most likely explanation is that person A is going home and eating more, thus the exercise appears less effective. The problem is behavioral.

I do agree dieting is surely better, the reason being it is at this point people start to seriously look at what they are eating, and are shocked by what they see.

Personally I don't like to do more than an hour or so in the gym, reasoning that if you haven't done what you need to do in that time, then what have I been doing?

[robblok]

Believe what you like. You're splitting hairs now.

Well I took issue with the statement "Much more effective". As it stands it says "seems to be more effective". That is a big hair to split.

Perhaps just a simple misunderstanding. And as I say I do see the argument is sound in quantitative terms. An obese person would have to live on the treadmil, simply not a sole strategy that can work. Dieting is the only way.

Is it possible that the reason why exercise alone did not bear fruit was because you simply went home and ate even more? And once you realised this and really got to grips with calories in/calories out dynamic you went from strength to strength.

Only surmising as it is exactly the sort of thing I would do.

Not often do I come to JT his defense but I too believe eating less is far more effective as exercising more. I do of course workout quite hard in my gym but to burn 500 cals one needs to really do a lot. Most of us can't do that every day (I could not with the kind of exercise I do as my body needs to recover). Even if you could 500 cals is over an our of intense exercise.

Its easier to eat 500 cals less, however combine exercise and a better diet and your there.

Before I lost my 25 kg I had a crap diet but did workout hard in my gym (always have) but I could not outrain a bad diet.

I am not having a go at JT. Just a little puzzled and tend to be suspicious of many studies.

The way I see it if person A goes to the gym does 500 calories worth of work out and eats the same, then the werght will come off at the same rate as person B who diets away 500 calories worth of food. Surely that is just physics and logic.

If not then the most likely explanation is that person A is going home and eating more, thus the exercise appears less effective. The problem is behavioral.

I do agree dieting is surely better, the reason being it is at this point people start to seriously look at what they are eating, and are shocked by what they see.

Personally I don't like to do more than an hour or so in the gym, reasoning that if you haven't done what you need to do in that time, then what have I been doing?

Your example is correct it might go off even faster as you build / retain muscle. However going to the gym 7 days a week is harder as eating a bit less 7 days per week. That is the point, I don't know many people that exercise (in what form) 7 days a week. They all need to rest.

I keep my workouts at an hour because after that they don't have much use anymore (cortisol) and just strength is sapped after that. Many say workouts should last an 45-60 min (talking weightlifting here)

[techboy]

There are many physiological and psychological exceptions but nonetheless I strongly believe that most people will be fine if they stay dedicated to a good exercise regimen and eat whatever they dm well please.

[His Masters Voice]

I know I'm a lightweight in this debate, but as a poster mentioner earlier and I agree in part.

It's easier to reduce your food intake then increase your exercise rate.

Both in combination are great as the right type of exercise does lead to a higher metabolic rate for a period and apparently, increased muscle as a proportion of ones weight (muscle-to-fat ratio?) does slightly improve your resting metabolic rate.

What I do know is that a lot, a large percentage of what you eat goes to maintain your usual bodily functions, specificially your core Body Temperature.

Metabolism

There are three parts to your metabolism. Your BMR, which maintains body temperature and keeps you alive is the energy used to circulate blood, keep your heart beating and the many other involuntary chemical processes happening constantly in your body. Then there is the energy used for movement and the energy used for digestion -- called thermogenisis. Up to 80 percent of the calories you eat are used by your BMR, about 20 percent go to physical activity and only 5 to 10 percent are used for digestion, according to the Better Health Channel. Digesting protein requires more energy than digesting fats or carbohydrates." http://www.livestrong.com/article/538674-calories-to-maintain-human-body-temperature/

[cdmtdm]

try not digesting processed carbs at all .... that will drop your weight and improve your overall health , including mood , libido , energy , skin, and save you a lot of money overall ...

[h90]

try not digesting processed carbs at all .... that will drop your weight and improve your overall health , including mood , libido , energy , skin, and save you a lot of money overall ...

As less processed food is as better it is. If cutting out the junk food, McDonalds, Burger King, deep frozen Pizzas, 3 in 1 coffee etc etc. All the sweet things and Potato chips, sugar and strong reduce white rice, white bread (sometimes a bit is no problem, but not daily and not in bigger amounts) and you are already done most of it. Not perfect but doable for everyone.

To reduce carbohydrates even more is of course even better.

the combination of low quality fat with highly processed carbs/sugar guaranty a steady grow of the belly.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Just as a practical matter it is more efficient to cut calories than burn them. Look at any chart of time to burn on common foods.

Cutting calories never did anything for me (weak willed)

Cycling 40Km every morning with a couple of hikes to Doi Pui every month lost me 15Kg in two years.

And I enjoy pepsi, KFC, french fries and chocolate every day (not all every day).

How much weight have you lost cutting calories in the last two years?

(I'm guessing none.)

Stupid guess.

About 50 pounds. I exercise as well pretty much the same as before but the big change I made was all food.

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And there I was thinking you did not loose much.. WOW 50 pounds that is a whole lot. Well done you can be happy with that for sure. Then your way worked for you.

Yeh, well done JT, 50ibs is a lot.

[h90]

Cutting calories never did anything for me (weak willed)

Cycling 40Km every morning with a couple of hikes to Doi Pui every month lost me 15Kg in two years.

And I enjoy pepsi, KFC, french fries and chocolate every day (not all every day).

How much weight have you lost cutting calories in the last two years?

(I'm guessing none.)

Stupid guess.

About 50 pounds. I exercise as well pretty much the same as before but the big change I made was all food.

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And there I was thinking you did not loose much.. WOW 50 pounds that is a whole lot. Well done you can be happy with that for sure. Then your way worked for you.

Yeh, well done JT, 50ibs is a lot.

well done

But I think 5 lbs are burned because I anger JT so much....that adrenalin must burn something

[mommysboy]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Without a doubt I would forego the cake, as has been said less time and effort

Too much exercise makes me feel burnt out, and it's not natural.

But equally, I wouldn't like the thought of crash dieting, which I feel would likely cause me depression, and likely lead to relapse.

This is why I feel both dieting and exercise are equally important in moderation. It could be that each maximises the other too. Not all relationships can be abstracted in to a graph.

The danger with these sort of studies is that they set weight loss apart from general well being, can introduce odd concepts that belong in religion or economics, and also create mindless this vs that conflict arguments. I find that in a lot of medical studies fundamentalism (one wayism) and the belief in a magic bullet can often lurk beneath the surface.

Ultimately, for me, since the problem is essentially caused by over eating, and lack of activity, it is simply a matter of logic that the solution lies in addressing those 2 problems like for like.

I should disclose that I don't have a weight problem at all, nor ever have. It is probably genetic, but I am generally active, and if I eat too much I just feel sick.

[Jingthing]

If you've never had a weight problem you can't possibly have a clue from your personal experience.

I can't know what it's like to be black in the USA but I do know what it's like be white in Thailand.

A doctor or scientist could understand by gaining credible knowledge outside his personal experience.

Why would someone without personal experience of the problem or medical knowledge even be posting on this forum except to be provocative?

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Edited January 19, 2015 by Jingthing

[mommysboy]

If you've never had a weight problem you can't possibly have a clue from your personal experience.

I can't know what it's like to be black in the USA but I do know what it's like be white in Thailand.

A doctor or scientist could understand by gaining credible knowledge outside his personal experience.

Why would someone without personal experience of the problem or medical knowledge even be posting on this forum except to be provocative?

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What an attack!

I know what it is like to be human, and can use my imagination, that is part of relating to people.

Mostly my postings are quite reasonable. With your assertions red flags were waving that's all. But I am broadly in agreement. What i have posted is just simple common sense and about half have agreed or just taken minor issue to what was just a minor point of clarification. You took major exception for some reason.

I maintain an interest across the board on a wide range of subjects and have had to deal with my own addictions thankfully on a smallish scale. Most addictions are much the same. My family also has members who are struggling with weight issues - eating too much and lack of exercise are 2 striking features.

About seven years ago, I gave up smoking and the only way for me to deal with this was to drink more alcohol. Unexpectedly my weight went up from an underweight 68Kg to around 77kg. It wasn't a weight problem as such for a 6 footer, but I felt sluggish and self respect finally kicked in.

Eventually I chucked in the alcohol, and banned cakes, sweets, and biscuits from the fridge, and got on the treadmill, and took up football again. My weight went down to 73 kilos where it now stands. It took about 2 weeks. Both dieting and exercise were central in that. And that mirrors general medical opinion imho. Besides it is just plain horse sense as others have said.

[Jingthing]

Fine. I have expressed my opinion that this PERSONAL HEALTH SUPPORT forum is really INTENDED for people who actually KNOW something about the topic from personal experience or as CREDIBLE HEALTH EXPERTS. I enjoy beer, wine, and spirits but have never been an alcoholic and know I never will be one. I am not a specialist in treating alcoholics. I wouldn't think to post on a health support forums for alcoholics. I would think that would be really RUDE and PRESUMPTUOUS. Yes, I could but WHY?

Hey. boozers. just don't drink or stop at one or two! It's just horse sense! That's what I've done and I'm not an alcoholic! That would go down really well, ya think?

Another clue -- the title of this forum.

I'm Too Fat

Not ... I'm a human and I can see other people are fat and I think I know all about fat people because I've never been fat

Note: I am only speaking for myself on this matter. (Obviously.)

Edited January 19, 2015 by Jingthing

[mommysboy]

Fine. I have expressed my opinion that this PERSONAL HEALTH SUPPORT forum is really INTENDED for people who actually KNOW something about the topic from personal experience or as CREDIBLE HEALTH EXPERTS. I enjoy beer, wine, and spirits but have never been an alcoholic and know I never will be one. I am not a specialist in treating alcoholics. I wouldn't think to post on a health support forums for alcoholics. I would think that would be really RUDE and PRESUMPTUOUS. Yes, I could but WHY?

Hey. boozers. just don't drink or stop at one or two! It's just horse sense! That's what I've done and I'm not an alcoholic! That would go down really well, ya think?

Another clue -- the title of this forum.

I'm Too Fat

Not ... I'm a human and I can see other people are fat and I think I know all about fat people because I've never been fat

Note: I am only speaking for myself on this matter. (Obviously.)

Ok, If others agree I will certainly stop posting. I can't honestly see I have been at all offensive.

[luk AJ]

There are always excuses why people are fat.. guess what you can almost always alter it yourself. It just take action but people prefer to blame some outside reason why it wont happen.

Though there are things like difference in metabolic rate / differences in appetite and many others. Thing is nobody said it would be easy, if it was easy to be lean then everyone would be lean and muscular.

It is certainly easy to be"lean and Muscular", I have being lean and muscular all my life with no serious effort of my own

There are many reasons why people are fat or thin,

Genetic, social, medical, political etc

and most of them are beyond a persons Reasonable ability to control.

Sure a person can take extraordinary measures , but at what cost

So when I see new research or theories, I dont see then as excuses I see them as explanations, or attempts at explanations.

which "political" choice is the best for loosing weight?

[mommysboy]

arnie did have good genetics but he was also a steroid abuser .... frank zane was the cleanest of all and is still very very healthy even today .... well done on your conditioning ..how old are you now may i ask ?

40 years old, soon to be 41.

Most bodybuilders (in the top) are steroid abusers. But I wonder how much it has all damaged them as most seem to be still alive. Sure some have some problems but take any group of people and you will find problems. Not that I would even consider using what they use. HRT different story.

Back in my hometown gym there was a group on steroids. It's quite obvious, and once I was sounded out about using them. One locally well known bodybuilder succumbed to rather a peculiar death in which his body seemed to shut down like an old man. Just recently, another death at just 42, but as you say maybe that was destined to happen.

Like any form of drug abuse I suppose it depends on how much and for how long. You have conclude there is good reason why they are banned.

[h90]

If you've never had a weight problem you can't possibly have a clue from your personal experience.

I can't know what it's like to be black in the USA but I do know what it's like be white in Thailand.

A doctor or scientist could understand by gaining credible knowledge outside his personal experience.

Why would someone without personal experience of the problem or medical knowledge even be posting on this forum except to be provocative?

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Why?

Maybe to help?

[h90]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Without a doubt I would forego the cake, as has been said less time and effort

Too much exercise makes me feel burnt out, and it's not natural.

But equally, I wouldn't like the thought of crash dieting, which I feel would likely cause me depression, and likely lead to relapse.

This is why I feel both dieting and exercise are equally important in moderation. It could be that each maximises the other too. Not all relationships can be abstracted in to a graph.

The danger with these sort of studies is that they set weight loss apart from general well being, can introduce odd concepts that belong in religion or economics, and also create mindless this vs that conflict arguments. I find that in a lot of medical studies fundamentalism (one wayism) and the belief in a magic bullet can often lurk beneath the surface.

Ultimately, for me, since the problem is essentially caused by over eating, and lack of activity, it is simply a matter of logic that the solution lies in addressing those 2 problems like for like.

I should disclose that I don't have a weight problem at all, nor ever have. It is probably genetic, but I am generally active, and if I eat too much I just feel sick.

I think well being is not so important. If you are overweight, you aren't well and it is worth to feel a lot worse with the target to be better later.

And it is worth to feel kind of burned out every day after heavy exercise in compare to your back and knees hurt you and everyone sees a fat pig in you.

Beside that what is too much exercise is changing all the time, as more you exercise as more the body adjusts to it.

[cdmtdm]

JT .... first you have to control your mind, then your body will respond .... in my experience anything is possible if you COMMIT....100% ...sugar addiction is hard to crack .....

[h90]

JT .... first you have to control your mind, then your body will respond .... in my experience anything is possible if you COMMIT....100% ...sugar addiction is hard to crack .....

Hard but not too hard, easiest is to just stop one morning with all carbohydrates. All other food (beside Alcohol) is OK. The liver has a lot stock of sugar so it can keep the blood sugar level stable till you start to use ketone bodies and start to efficiently convert amino acids into glucose. It isn't that hard, sure easier than stop smoking. But still needs 100 % commitment. To reduce sugar and only sometimes keeps you permanent raving hungry.

Once you are used to that you can clean up your diet, once that is done and your body is used to good food, you can reintroduce some healthy forms of carbs. It is not really hard, just most people don't want to accept it. They want to be slim, but don't want to change what they eat, or believe they can make a diet and than go back to "normal" eating.

[robblok]

arnie did have good genetics but he was also a steroid abuser .... frank zane was the cleanest of all and is still very very healthy even today .... well done on your conditioning ..how old are you now may i ask ?

40 years old, soon to be 41.

Most bodybuilders (in the top) are steroid abusers. But I wonder how much it has all damaged them as most seem to be still alive. Sure some have some problems but take any group of people and you will find problems. Not that I would even consider using what they use. HRT different story.

Back in my hometown gym there was a group on steroids. It's quite obvious, and once I was sounded out about using them. One locally well known bodybuilder succumbed to rather a peculiar death in which his body seemed to shut down like an old man. Just recently, another death at just 42, but as you say maybe that was destined to happen.

Like any form of drug abuse I suppose it depends on how much and for how long. You have conclude there is good reason why they are banned.

Usually these are stories second hand without fact. The fact is that the top bodybuilders are using massive amounts of steroids and most of them are still walking around many years after the fact. But like in any population there will be those that get sick and or die (we all die eventually).

I personally have known of many people using and NONE have had any health problems. I think it depends on how much how long and of course how an individual body handles it. I feel that people should be allowed to use it just like other drugs one can smoke and its far more damaging.. same goes for drinking alcohol also far more damaging. Weed for instance is banned even though alcohol does more damage. Not all laws are logical.

But I am real liberal about drugs and thing people can do to their body but i draw the line when it hurts others. Its not just steroids just normal drugs too and alcohol. But then again I am harsh on people drinking and driving. But that is when it goes from doing with your body what you want to endangering others.

These are just my views as I have also seen a lot of drug use (E / weed / speed) when I was younger and all of my friends are still alive not junkies with nice jobs. Though if you have to believe the stories.....

Anyway this goes far beyond the scope of this topic and I leave it at this.

[h90]

arnie did have good genetics but he was also a steroid abuser .... frank zane was the cleanest of all and is still very very healthy even today .... well done on your conditioning ..how old are you now may i ask ?

40 years old, soon to be 41.

Most bodybuilders (in the top) are steroid abusers. But I wonder how much it has all damaged them as most seem to be still alive. Sure some have some problems but take any group of people and you will find problems. Not that I would even consider using what they use. HRT different story.

Back in my hometown gym there was a group on steroids. It's quite obvious, and once I was sounded out about using them. One locally well known bodybuilder succumbed to rather a peculiar death in which his body seemed to shut down like an old man. Just recently, another death at just 42, but as you say maybe that was destined to happen.

Like any form of drug abuse I suppose it depends on how much and for how long. You have conclude there is good reason why they are banned.

Usually these are stories second hand without fact. The fact is that the top bodybuilders are using massive amounts of steroids and most of them are still walking around many years after the fact. But like in any population there will be those that get sick and or die (we all die eventually).

I personally have known of many people using and NONE have had any health problems. I think it depends on how much how long and of course how an individual body handles it. I feel that people should be allowed to use it just like other drugs one can smoke and its far more damaging.. same goes for drinking alcohol also far more damaging. Weed for instance is banned even though alcohol does more damage. Not all laws are logical.

But I am real liberal about drugs and thing people can do to their body but i draw the line when it hurts others. Its not just steroids just normal drugs too and alcohol. But then again I am harsh on people drinking and driving. But that is when it goes from doing with your body what you want to endangering others.

These are just my views as I have also seen a lot of drug use (E / weed / speed) when I was younger and all of my friends are still alive not junkies with nice jobs. Though if you have to believe the stories.....

Anyway this goes far beyond the scope of this topic and I leave it at this.

I can't understand why someone advocate for a ban. If you don't want to use them, don't use them. If someone want to use, it isn't the business of the some politicians.

When you look at the stories of steroid user who die: that are either people who are "on" since many years on huge doses. Or these who try to get rid of the water and sit, already complete dehydrated for hours in the sauna.

[mommysboy]

arnie did have good genetics but he was also a steroid abuser .... frank zane was the cleanest of all and is still very very healthy even today .... well done on your conditioning ..how old are you now may i ask ?

40 years old, soon to be 41.

Most bodybuilders (in the top) are steroid abusers. But I wonder how much it has all damaged them as most seem to be still alive. Sure some have some problems but take any group of people and you will find problems. Not that I would even consider using what they use. HRT different story.

Back in my hometown gym there was a group on steroids. It's quite obvious, and once I was sounded out about using them. One locally well known bodybuilder succumbed to rather a peculiar death in which his body seemed to shut down like an old man. Just recently, another death at just 42, but as you say maybe that was destined to happen.

Like any form of drug abuse I suppose it depends on how much and for how long. You have conclude there is good reason why they are banned.

Usually these are stories second hand without fact. The fact is that the top bodybuilders are using massive amounts of steroids and most of them are still walking around many years after the fact. But like in any population there will be those that get sick and or die (we all die eventually).

I personally have known of many people using and NONE have had any health problems. I think it depends on how much how long and of course how an individual body handles it. I feel that people should be allowed to use it just like other drugs one can smoke and its far more damaging.. same goes for drinking alcohol also far more damaging. Weed for instance is banned even though alcohol does more damage. Not all laws are logical.

But I am real liberal about drugs and thing people can do to their body but i draw the line when it hurts others. Its not just steroids just normal drugs too and alcohol. But then again I am harsh on people drinking and driving. But that is when it goes from doing with your body what you want to endangering others.

These are just my views as I have also seen a lot of drug use (E / weed / speed) when I was younger and all of my friends are still alive not junkies with nice jobs. Though if you have to believe the stories.....

Anyway this goes far beyond the scope of this topic and I leave it at this.

Not so off topic as steroids cause weight gain, and interesting and very important . I reckon the comparison with smoking and alcohol is a very good one as you generally have to be doing quite a lot and for a very long time to cause a bad health problem. Then there is the odd one or two that are really unlucky.

At 53, most of my friends and peer group are 45-70. The lie of the land gets quite a bit different from 40. 50 onwards is when the chickens start to come home to roost with alcohol and cigarettes. And it is no coincidence that those that are health conscious start to understand the compelling reasons for giving them and steer well clear of drugs.

Guaging the effect of steroids is tricky because the things people die of are much the same as the general population.

[mommysboy]

JT .... first you have to control your mind, then your body will respond .... in my experience anything is possible if you COMMIT....100% ...sugar addiction is hard to crack .....

Hard but not too hard, easiest is to just stop one morning with all carbohydrates. All other food (beside Alcohol) is OK. The liver has a lot stock of sugar so it can keep the blood sugar level stable till you start to use ketone bodies and start to efficiently convert amino acids into glucose. It isn't that hard, sure easier than stop smoking. But still needs 100 % commitment. To reduce sugar and only sometimes keeps you permanent raving hungry.

Once you are used to that you can clean up your diet, once that is done and your body is used to good food, you can reintroduce some healthy forms of carbs. It is not really hard, just most people don't want to accept it. They want to be slim, but don't want to change what they eat, or believe they can make a diet and than go back to "normal" eating.

He did that already I think, lost 50 pounds.

Good posting for me though.

My diet is more or less crap. Although I eat quite a bit of good food, such as wholegrain, cabbage, nuts, bananas, the rest is sugar based. I eat a lot of cakes and biccies too. I am slim but that is just genes, and a liking for exercise. My fear is that the bad diet will catch up with me in other ways although everything seems fine at present.

[cdmtdm]

dont forget just beacuse your thin does not mean you are healthy inside ...the sugar will still be working away silently ... tick tock ....if you are blessed with a fast metabolism then tidy up your diet before it is too late ... Zero Processed carbs !!

[robblok]

dont forget just beacuse your thin does not mean you are healthy inside ...the sugar will still be working away silently ... tick tock ....if you are blessed with a fast metabolism then tidy up your diet before it is too late ... Zero Processed carbs !!

Your right.. just google skinny fat guys.

[h90]

JT .... first you have to control your mind, then your body will respond .... in my experience anything is possible if you COMMIT....100% ...sugar addiction is hard to crack .....

Hard but not too hard, easiest is to just stop one morning with all carbohydrates. All other food (beside Alcohol) is OK. The liver has a lot stock of sugar so it can keep the blood sugar level stable till you start to use ketone bodies and start to efficiently convert amino acids into glucose. It isn't that hard, sure easier than stop smoking. But still needs 100 % commitment. To reduce sugar and only sometimes keeps you permanent raving hungry.

Once you are used to that you can clean up your diet, once that is done and your body is used to good food, you can reintroduce some healthy forms of carbs. It is not really hard, just most people don't want to accept it. They want to be slim, but don't want to change what they eat, or believe they can make a diet and than go back to "normal" eating.

He did that already I think, lost 50 pounds.

Good posting for me though.

My diet is more or less crap. Although I eat quite a bit of good food, such as wholegrain, cabbage, nuts, bananas, the rest is sugar based. I eat a lot of cakes and biccies too. I am slim but that is just genes, and a liking for exercise. My fear is that the bad diet will catch up with me in other ways although everything seems fine at present.

he also told before that it is impossible to do so , before he blamed me to be ignorant, now he proofed myself right....

Eating crap food and ADDITIONALLY something good doesn't help.....And Bananas are also very sugar based. Sometimes a banana won't kill you but additional to crap diet it is also crap.

You can be slim + very low muscle mass. Which means actually you are fat, just you look better

But even if not, you can develop diabetics, have too much cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc etc, but still your chances to get problems are lower than someone who is fat and has a crap diet.

Or you can eat a crap diet, be slim and complete healthy.....some people are lucky.....Some are drunk all their life and smoke heavily and get 95 years old. Other life perfect healthy and get cancer with 40. But 95% are somewhere in the middle and it matters.....

[h90]

dont forget just beacuse your thin does not mean you are healthy inside ...the sugar will still be working away silently ... tick tock ....if you are blessed with a fast metabolism then tidy up your diet before it is too late ... Zero Processed carbs !!

Your right.. just google skinny fat guys.

many Thai girls are like that.....

But better skinny-fat, than fat-fat

[Jingthing]

dont forget just beacuse your thin does not mean you are healthy inside ...the sugar will still be working away silently ... tick tock ....if you are blessed with a fast metabolism then tidy up your diet before it is too late ... Zero Processed carbs !!

Your right.. just google skinny fat guys.

many Thai girls are like that.....

But better skinny-fat, than fat-fat

Better socially and cosmetically. Health-wise, it may indeed be the opposite.

BTW, if a "normal weight" person is living on processed junk food it is probable that they have more health issues than a moderately "overweight" person who consumes mostly health promoting foods and also exercises at least moderately.

Weight control issues are not as clear cut in terms of health as many imagine.

[mommysboy]

Thanks for the heads up guys. I don't think skinny fat is an issue. My body is a bit like robbolok only skinnier . 73kilos foot.

I have ways been pretty fit.

It is the sheer amount of sugar I eat not excess calories.

But, how do you know if I side is OK?

As far as I know bp is still 120/80 variable. Blood sugar OK. Heart rate round about 50. It is a worry for me though.

[mommysboy]

The other thing is I am a tea addict. Can do 10-15 cups a day.