Popular Post IntEdSource 63 Posted February 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2015 Having seen a large number of questions and debates on this forum regarding various topics related to international schools in Thailand, as well as many erroneous claims, I thought it might be beneficial to create a thread that offers information based on facts and data rather than speculation. Though I will provide my own opinions at times, I will also make it clear when I am doing so as opposed to drawing upon evidence.As to my own background, I have worked in international education for over ten years, seven of which have been in Thailand. After initially teaching English elsewhere in Asia, I taught at what is typically termed a mid-tier international school in Bangkok and now work at one considered to be an elite school. My roles have been diverse and not solely restricted to teaching. I would prefer to retain my anonymity, and regardless of whether you agree with my choice to do (or choose to believe the content I post), I affirm that I am providing an insider's perspective.I'm also more than willing to answer questions, and I will make it clear when I have a definite answer or am merely providing a best guess. A Brief History of International Schools in Thailand The first international school in Thailand, International School Bangkok (ISB), was founded in 1951 to provide children of American diplomats and expatriates with an American-quality education. At that time it was located in central Bangkok, on the land now occupied by NIST International School. Shortly thereafter, in 1957, Bangkok Patana School (BPS) opened to serve British nationals, and Ruamrudee International School (RIS) opened through its affiliation with the Catholic Church, and more specifically the Redemptorists. Very few other schools were established until 1992, when ISB relocated to northern Bangkok and members of the UN, who did not wish to send their children so far, lobbied the government to open New International School of Thailand (changed to NIST International School in 2012). This marked the end of the first era of international education in Thailand. During the first few decades in which these first schools operated, the existing schools were composed entirely of expatriates. This changed in 1992 when the government decreed that Thais could enroll in international schools. Seeing the opportunity to capitalize on the ensuing demand, foreign and Thai investors began opening their own schools, leading to a boom throughout the 1990s in which dozens of schools were opened. While the first few non-profit schools remain, and represent the largest enrollments, more for-profit schools have continued to open each year, and the demand is expected to continue to grow with the full integration of the ASEAN Economic Community scheduled for this year. Defining International Schools & the Debate over Tiers At last count in 2015, approximately 150-160 institutions were registered with the Thai Ministry of Education (MOE) as international schools. Officially, this classification requires a minimum percentage of non-Thai students to be enrolled, but this has either been changed or is simply not enforced, as there are several major international schools that have a high percentage of Thai students, including Harrow International School (HIS), RIS and Shrewsbury International School (SHB). Other hallmarks of international schools, both in Thailand and abroad, typically include the offering of a curriculum other than that of the host country, a broader academic focus and similar features. However, one further mark of an international school in Thailand is membership in the International Schools Association of Thailand (ISAT), of which there are approximately 100-110 members as of 2015. Membership within ISAT requires that the institution possess or be in pursuit of accreditation through one of a small number of accepted international accreditation bodies, among them the Council of International Schools (CIS), New England Association of Schools and Colleges (NEASC), Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC) and CfBT Education Trust. However, it should be noted that ISAT does not regulate or oversee the curricula of its member schools in any way; it was established in 1994 primarily to advance international education within Thailand and act as a representative for the schools in lobbying the MOE. The debate over international school quality frequently arises, with supporters and detractors of differing schools assigning tier 1 (top tier), tier 2 (mid tier) or tier 3 (low tier) status. However, it should be emphasized that there is no clear agreement on what constitutes a tier 1, 2 or 3 school, and no such definition exists in peer-reviewed literature related to international education. Fees may correlate to quality, but they cannot predict it, nor can accreditation, remuneration, test scores, university matriculation or other factors in isolation. The reality is that if we accept that schools can loosely be categorized within tiers, all of these elements play a part in defining the overall quality, and thus tier, of each school. In my personal opinion, the lines between the three tiers can be blurred among Thailand's international schools, but most can safely be placed within one of the three when examining many of the above criteria as a whole. International School Fees Fees at the differing schools vary widely, often due to the initial available capital and the market position they seek to occupy. Not all schools begin on the low end. A good example of one that opened more recently with a higher tuition cost is Berkeley International School, which opened in 2010 but has already entered the top ten list of most expensive schools. On the other hand, others seek to compete purely through a low-cost strategy, including schools such as Modern International School, Glory International School and Crescent International School. Institutions such as these also cater toward a far more specific market as well, narrowing their ability to raise fees - and thus gain capital - as their competitors can do. As indicated previously, the reality is that the fees that schools charge do play a part in determining the quality of education for a simple reason: more funds translate to a greater investment in the teachers, resources and facilities. Again, this must be examined in balance with other criteria, but is is one indicator. As of 2015, the top ten most expensive international schools in Bangkok are: Shrewsbury International School (Est. 2003, British curriculum): THB 482,100 - 865,500 International School Bangkok (Est. 1951, American curriculum): THB 457,000 - 830,000 Harrow International School (Est. 1998, British curriculum): THB 380,000 - 770,000 NIST International School (Est. 1992, IB curriculum): THB 422,700 - 768,900 Bangkok Patana School (Est. 1957, British curriculum): THB 378,100 - 736,200 Concordian International School (Est. 2001, IB curriculum): THB 397,200 - 627,600 KIS International School (Est. 1998, IB curriculum): THB 295,500 - 622,000 Swiss School/RIS Swiss Section (Est. 1963, Swiss curriculum): THB 224,500 - 614,300 Ruamrudee International School (Est. 1957, American curriculum): THB 389,000 - 586,600 Berkeley International School (Est. 2010, American curriculum): THB 360,000 - 582,000 These are only the base annual tuition fees at the lowest (typically nursery) and highest (typically Years 12-13/Grades 11-12) levels and do not include testing fees, registration fees, capital investment options, meals, uniforms or transportation. Additionally, several do offer discounts for the enrollment of siblings, though it is uncommon for the most expensive schools. On the other end of the spectrum are the international schools that charge even less than most bilingual schools. Ekamai International School, Kinkaid International School, Kevalee International School and the previously mentioned Modern International School each charge less THB 200,000 annually even at the high school level. This is significantly less than many of the well-regarded bilingual schools such as Amnuay Silpa School. Are International Schools Worth the Expense? Again assuming that we can safely categorize most schools within one of the three tiers, my answer to this question would depend on the tier in question. The low tier schools in my opinion are the only ones that I definitely would not send my child to given the other options that are available. Though they legally possess international status through the MOE, the reality is that they quite often cannot afford Western teachers, and if they do, those teachers most often possess no background in education. A far better option, if budgets are a concern, is sending your child to a quality bilingual school. This leaves mid and high tier schools. The mid tier schools pose a greater challenge, as they can vary greatly in their approaches, facilities, philosophies and resources. The bottom line is that most are on par with the average public school in the United States and United Kingdom, and many do exceed that quality of education due to their ability to provide more individualized attention and higher quality teaching. Based on my personal work experience, connections within those schools, and feedback from parents and students who attend them, I would identify schools within that category as St. Andrews International School (note that there are two St. Andrews chains in Bangkok, and I would not include the other in this list), Bangkok International Preparatory & Secondary School (Bangkok Prep), Wells International School, International Community School, KIS International School, Regent's International School, Concordian International School and Ruamrudee International School. However, one major factor holds back several - though not all - of these schools from becoming more successful and challenging the top schools: their for-profit status. Though they all provide an above-average education that enables their graduates to attend excellent universities around the world, several of them also possess significant issues due to the ownership. In some cases this takes the form of micromanagement, while in others it involves a failure to maintain the facilities, even while investing sufficiently in the educational programs. Despite these flaws, however, I would reiterate that on the whole they provide a quality education that is worth the investment. The top tier schools are another matter entirely. I argue that only three schools in Bangkok are truly top-tier, while four others border on it. International School Bangkok, Bangkok Patana School and NIST International School each possess resources that far outstrip most other schools not only in Thailand, but worldwide. More importantly, they are all non-profit, meaning the parent community possesses oversight and influence in their operations. Shrewsbury International School, Harrow International School, International Community School and Ruamrudee International School are the top four mid-tier schools. Shrewsbury and Harrow, despite their immense capital, may be held back in one sense by being for-profit, and they also do not have the diverse student populations as these three. International Community School, while non-profit and progressing rapidly, isn't quite at the point of competing with them, and based on my conversations with administrators there, they have no intention of doing so. Finally, at one time Ruamrudee would have been included in this list. However, it underwent significant issues several years ago, including the mismanagement of funds. Combined with its high percentage of Thai students, it also cannot compete with the big three, and it may never recover. Ultimately, if price were no object, I would recommend ISB, Patana or NIST. In addition to being non-profit, these schools possess the leadership, resources and quality that enable them to compete with other top schools globally. Given the differences in their curricula (American vs. British vs. IB), locations and cultures, the best choice for a child would ultimately be based on factors other than quality. There are several lines of evidence that could be offered for making the case for these three, but they are varied and require elaboration, so I leave it open to questions from others. International School Salaries & Benefits Just as tuition fees can be dramatically different, base salaries within international schools also cover a wide range, often precisely because of the corresponding variance in the fees. Additionally, their non-profit or for-profit statuses affect the funds that can be allocated toward staff benefits. Following with the loose classification of schools above, the range for the average teacher in 2015 typically includes: Low-tier schools (usually only hire locally)Base salaries: THB 40,000 - 70,000 per month Benefits: Few to none - basic insurance, small bonus, no flights, no housing allowance, no personal professional development fund, no relocation stipend, no retirement funds/plan Mid-tier schools (hire both locally and internationally)Base salaries: THB 50,000 - 120,000 per month Benefits: Some - basic insurance, bonus, annual or biannual flights, either no housing allowance or a token amount, a staff-wide professional development fund and/or a small personal fund, sometimes a relocation stipend, pay for additional duties and/or responsibilities, may include basic retirement funds/plan Upper mid-tier and high-tier schools (usually hire internationally, most often through employment fairs, but occasionally will hire locally)Base salaries: 100,000 - 200,000+ per month Benefits: Many - full insurance, including dental; large bonus, annual flights for teacher and dependents, generous housing allowance, large personal professional development fund, relocation stipend, pay for additional duties and/or responsibilities, matching retirement schemes The majority of teachers I knew in my previous positions fell within the mid-tier range. However, an average teacher at the top-tier schools, with around ten to fifteen years of experience, often earns approximately 180,000 - 200,000 per month (net, including the housing allowance). Again, the range can vary depending on the school. Beyond the benefits listed above, they also gain access to resources that their peers at other schools do not, including professional connections to many of the top educators worldwide, and de facto membership in many professional educational organizations that provide high-quality training opportunities. Questions? Due to the sheer number of factors that come into play when considering a school either as a parent or a teacher, I will be writing for weeks in order to address every aspect of international education here in Thailand. As indicated earlier, I'm willing to provide additional details about any of these areas, or others, and answer any questions. 35 Link to post Share on other sites
jbauer 33 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Edit- sorry, replied when I should have PMed. Edited February 14, 2015 by jbauer Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post tariq786 9 Posted February 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2015 Around $10,000 - $20,000 a year ? Seems more like a money minting biz than providing real education. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
yankee99 1,485 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Very informative thanks. With twins ill be forced to return to the states eventually. At $20-30k thell be going to free public school Link to post Share on other sites
StefanBBK 836 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I wish we could afford this. We have two children and simply can't spend that much. Given that the kids are half Thai, I also see great benefit in bilingual schools, as there is more focus on Thai culture and language. How many of the international schools teach Thai reading and writing? Any thoughts on Sarasas? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
kingalfred 2,217 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Didnt really write details/quality of the curriculum and teaching Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post cgphuket 1,586 Posted February 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2015 One thing I found surprising was the percentage of international school teachers with drug and alcohol abuse issues. The stereotype is that government school and language center teachers are the least qualified, therefor the most dodgy. But I have work in the addiction field in Thailand for years and several schools have asked for help with their teachers on drugs. My initial thinking was "they are making so much money (rock star wages compared to most teachers) so why would they risk their jobs by doing illegal drugs"? But I discovered that the more pay, the more privileged they think they are and the more disposable income they have to spend on these things. I certain international school in Phuket did surprise drug testing a few years ago, and 1/3 of their teachers were positive for meth, cocaine or narcotics. Thats not to even mention alcohol, just drugs. I spoke with one school director who was worried about a teacher with a drug history. When I suggested mandatory drug testing for all teachers he said "no way, we would have to fire half our staff". Personally, I think when working with children, and getting paid 10 times the local wage to do so, you can at least not use illegal drugs... 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post IntEdSource 63 Posted February 15, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2015 tariq786: In respect to cost, the top schools here on on par with the top private schools globally. As to the question of whether or not that price tag is worth it anywhere - not only in Thailand - I believe they are. In essence they are charging the premium price that an Ivy League school does, and in return they provide not only a superb education, but also opportunities that students often do not get at other schools. They also provide connections to influential peers - connections that ultimately do provide a great return. (This is something that can often be seen through the accomplishments of the alumni of these schools.) I do agree that the cost is not necessarily worth it for everyone. In my previous school we had encountered students who had left ISB, NIST and Patana precisely because they did not feel comfortable in those settings and did not have ambitions that would justify paying the fees year on year. All else aside, however, I think the case can be made that if these personal factors are excluded, the higher quality is there. These schools recruit many of the best teachers worldwide, and that comes with a cost. yankee99: When the budget simply isn't there, I don't think public schools are a bad option. I know many successful individuals who graduated from normal schools in Canada, the US and UK. Issues aside, they still provide a higher quality of education than many countries. StefanBKK: Bilingual schools are unfortunately not my area of expertise, so I cannot provide good advice in that area. For every positive recommendation I've encountered for a bilingual school, I've come across a former staff member or student who lambasts it. Licensed international schools are required by the MOE to provide Thai language and culture classes to students with Thai citizenship, and they leave it open to other students to select it as a foreign language. Thai cultural celebrations do take place in every one of these schools, no matter the size, but the focus is definitely nowhere near as strong as it is in bilingual or government schools. kingalfred: As I mentioned in the post, the sheer number of factors that come into consideration would mean a book of text, but I'm willing to provide information regarding a particular curriculum, approach or school if there are specific ones you had in mind. cgphuket: I have worked with one or two teachers that we were relatively sure were using drugs, but they were the exception rather than the norm. In my current position I would hard-pressed to name one who could be doing so based on any of the usual indicators (not that this proves anything). Most teachers we hire come from overseas, have families, and are involved in their own businesses and charities outside of their work at the school. Again, this does not rule out there being drug users in any school, but based in my own experience, the school you mention sounds like an outlier. Alcohol use is an entirely different matter, but I wouldn't even want to tackle that subject, as it's incredibly difficult to judge each person's individual tolerance and use. Of my close friends who represent several mid to high-tier international schools, I would only identify one as a semi-heavy drinker, but even that individual is a superb teacher, particularly with younger children. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Baa_Mango 222 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Drug abuse in rampant but not in TOP tier international schools. Soso (Phuket?..) schools and also private Bi-lingual schools I think it is common, but not the norm. A big difference I think comes down to outside hires or domestic hires. Some people just live in Thailand because it is fun and easy. Link to post Share on other sites
a1a1 0 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 thanks intedsource, very helpful! could you pls comment a bit about admissions to the top and top mid-tier schools? do they admit all applicants that have the financial resources? Link to post Share on other sites
SlyAnimal 1,151 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Very informative post.I'll probably sticky it in a few days (PM me if I forget), but will leave it as is for now (As a lot of people look at threads with recent posts, rather than stickies). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Thai at Heart 17,307 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 How many provide an education to the same level even of a quality comprehensive in the UK let alone a day private school in the uk. Note these fees are for day pupils . if it were for boarding they would be approaching the same fees as a middle boarding school in the UK. Compare the facilities of these schools and the quality of the teachers with the namesake school in the uk, and they are a poor imitation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post IntEdSource 63 Posted February 18, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2015 a1a1: Certainly - I'm happy to provide information simply to clear up many of the misconceptions I've seen. Admissions policies and admittance rates vary a great deal among many of the mid-tier schools. My previous mid-tier school, which did not charge nearly as much as many of the others, had a waiting list for about half the grade/year levels. It would still, however, turn students away on a regular basis if they clearly did not have the academic ability to function in that environment - even if the parents were more than happy to pay. In contrast, I have a few friends at one particular mid-tier school that charges substantially more but is willing to take almost any applicant, partly because they just want more students. My friends have told me that, as a result, they have had to increasingly address low-level ESL/ESL learners in the school, often in the same classes as fluent or near-fluent speakers. It just depends on the school and the commitment of its owners and/or leaders to provide a good education rather than simply trying to increase profits. The top schools are almost always full at every grade/year level, and they often do not have a waiting list. They instead use a waiting pool, in which applicants are accepted based not only on the date they apply, but also their nationality, academic ability, extra-curricular involvement and many other factors. These schools simply have the luxury of being able to choose the students that will allow them to balance their classes to represent a mix of nationalities and abilities. Will money help? Yes, a promised donation would certainly increase a student's chance of being accepted, but only if he/she is capable of succeeding at the school. SlyAnimal: Thank you, and I'm glad you and others are finding the information to be of some value. Thai at Heart: Several of the schools do provide an education of an equal level even to a private day school of comparable cost. Using standardized test scores as an example (though other benchmarks and indicators could be used as well), it becomes apparent that the top schools in Bangkok post comparable scores to Western private schools that charge approximately the same cost - or more in some cases: IB scores at NIST and IB scores at ISB compared to IB scores at UK schools compared to IB scores at US schools (requires a bit of digging) GCSE scores at Bangkok Patana compared to GCSE scores in at UK schools Similar results can be found in comparing other standardized testing such as the ISA and AP exams. As to the final result, every one of these three schools has also had many its graduates accepted into every top university in the world over the years. If that is the end goal, then the quality of education is definitely on par. This is not only restricted to the top schools. Several of my former students (when I was still teaching) spent a year studying at public schools in the United States. They were not the best students, and the schools were decent, but they later told me that they felt it was much easier than the teaching and learning standards at our school in Bangkok. I do agree that there are many international schools in Thailand that are not providing that same quality, but they are definitely not non-existent. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
think_too_mut 21 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 "All else aside, however, I think the case can be made that if these personal factors are excluded, the higher quality is there. These schools recruit many of the best teachers worldwide, and that comes with a cost." My daughter attends what could be described as a "Tier 1" international school in Japan since 2008. The price is nearly the same as in Thai. I have met and spoke to many teachers (none had lasted more than 2 years, except prinicipals). They all said there is a "chain of people" who hop from one country to another, informing each other and even handing over furniture and house stuff to their successors. Nothing like "best teachers worldwide". Just plain folks who are professional educators. What I have gathered, many do that to escape the hell of US public education, bringing their own kids to attend the schools they teach at, at a subsidised price. Among them, never noticed anything like "teachers" in Thailand, alcohol, drugs or womanizing. One PE teacher i was friendly with (a fellow Australian) when leaving said "I would not really miss the money". I knew she was on 3 million Yen (that time it was 70,000THB a month). Those 200K THB salaries are probably more appropriate for the principals and are more like for University lecturers. That calibre of grade 1-12 teachers is neither sought nor available for international schools in Japan, let alone in the 3rd world countries. The teachers who revealed or semi-revealed their salaries were all where a public teacher of their rank would have been in the US + discounted school for their kids + 1 yearly ticket home + partial housing cost (like 500$ a month). A couple, both professional teachers with 2 kids confided "We do this 6 times in 6 different countries and our kids are safe, clean and Uni-ready after the world tour". None of them had any illusion they were "world class". That particular couple is now in Vientiane, after Doha, Qatar. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan Fairfield 7,535 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Topic promoted to news forum. Thanks for sharing this info, it's excellent and will also be included in the Thaivisa newsletter. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites
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