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they could start with practicing the religion

There is no need to reform buddhism it's just only time for the buddhists to follow the teaching words of Lord Buddha. No where it's saied you have to donate money to the monks neither that the monks

EDITORIAL It's time to reform Thai Buddhism The Nation Many in the sangha have strayed from the path of dharma, but ordinary worshippers are partly to blame BANGKOK: -- Calls for religious reform ar

There is no such thing as Thai Buddhism, it is Theravada Buddhism.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/whats-thera.htm

However if they are talking about the Dhammakaya then this is a branch movement in some ways similar to Mahayana it seems.

Personally I would suggest that the essence of the religion remains the same. It simply manifests itself as a reflection of the present culture and society. In effect the religion is showing us the state of culture and society as it stands. It is not the religion that needs changing is it?

Yes, there is, if you look at reality instead of dictionaries. The mixture of a misunderstood Theravada Buddhism with many superstitious beliefs and practices, corrupt behaviour and hierarchical thinking constitutes what we call Thai Buddhism, we being those of us who are not hung up on classic categories.

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It is the fate of all religions to be corrupted with time.

BTW what is "Thai" Buddhism?

Thai Buddhism is the Theraveda tradition (or Theraya), with the Mahayana, or Mahaya, tradition standing alongside (much like Catholic and Protestant).

There is no code in Buddhism that allows the shenanigans going on in Thailand, and the Supreme Patriarch knew it.

A mob of dishonest and money-hungry Thai monks breathed a sigh of relief when the Supreme Patriarch passed into the next life or world. He was dead set against the "reforms" that the new monks want, being a deviant deviation from the tripitaka that would allow monks to accept money, cars and even land...for the 'good of all', of course.

I spoke to a Laos monk, a Cambodian monk and a Vietnamese monk at immigration about this (sounds like a bad bar joke I know).

They were not appalled. They were disappointed in...very detached ways.

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There is no such thing as Thai Buddhism, it is Theravada Buddhism.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/whats-thera.htm

However if they are talking about the Dhammakaya then this is a branch movement in some ways similar to Mahayana it seems.

Personally I would suggest that the essence of the religion remains the same. It simply manifests itself as a reflection of the present culture and society. In effect the religion is showing us the state of culture and society as it stands. It is not the religion that needs changing is it?

All religions and dogma are the creation of mankind and so have become subject to the weaknesses and fallibility of mankind, no matter how good the original intent, whether they be Buddhism,Christianity, Islam, Hinduism Communism, Democracy and all the spin off's and factions of each.

Once all the trappings and superstitions are removed what is left? Answer-NOTHING!!

Human beings are hell bent on destroying each other and will eventually become extinct unless they can learn to live with each other in peace and harmony. It is only once people start thinking for themselves, asking questions and stop being afraid they will truly be free.

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There is no such thing as Thai Buddhism, it is Theravada Buddhism.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/whats-thera.htm

However if they are talking about the Dhammakaya then this is a branch movement in some ways similar to Mahayana it seems.

Personally I would suggest that the essence of the religion remains the same. It simply manifests itself as a reflection of the present culture and society. In effect the religion is showing us the state of culture and society as it stands. It is not the religion that needs changing is it?

Yes, there is, if you look at reality instead of dictionaries. The mixture of a misunderstood Theravada Buddhism with many superstitious beliefs and practices, corrupt behaviour and hierarchical thinking constitutes what we call Thai Buddhism, we being those of us who are not hung up on classic categories.

So in other words, the essence of the religion mixed with the society. Then what you have is basically the effect that Thai society has had on Buddhism.

There is a Thai form of Buddhism, in that it is entwined with systems of power, knowledge and symbolism within the country.

In as much as it has changed the actual religion would maybe depend on what you would see as "religion". My understanding of "religion" (or at least Buddhism) would be in as so far as it addresses the basic aspects of the human condition.

The thing that has become "Thai Buddhism" is inextricably bound with the elements of power, knowledge and hierarchy of the society.

One result of this, is to some extent being hoisted by its "Thainess" petard in that it is not open to criticism.

It is fairly predictable that you will see factional criticism rather than total criticism, because overall criticism suggests endemic decay.

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Is Thai Buddhism a religion or a teaching?

Yes please, reform it post haste! I am sick of seeing monks smoking cigarettes, driving pick-ups or riding 3 wheelers....and I have heard there are some who drink alcohol and fraternize with woman.

Totally disgusting behavior!

And eating meat or wearing 2nd hand animal skins.

It's more teaching and a philosophie. There is no God / Allah or something else People are pray to get enlightened same as Buddha. It's a common misunderstanding to say Buddhists praiing to Buddha. Buddha i gone to Nirvana and can not help anymore. He left the directions / teaching words how to behave and to live.

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Is Thai Buddhism a religion or a teaching?

Yes please, reform it post haste! I am sick of seeing monks smoking cigarettes, driving pick-ups or riding 3 wheelers....and I have heard there are some who drink alcohol and fraternize with woman.

Totally disgusting behavior!

And eating meat or wearing 2nd hand animal skins.

It's more teaching and a philosophie. There is no God / Allah or something else People are pray to get enlightened same as Buddha. It's a common misunderstanding to say Buddhists praiing to Buddha. Buddha i gone to Nirvana and can not help anymore. He left the directions / teaching words how to behave and to live.

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Thai Buddhists pray to "sing suk sit" สิ่งศักดิ์สิทธิ์ to ask for things in much the same way as Christians pray to Jesus , Muslims Allah etc. Thai Buddhism is very different from say Tibetan and it's not as simple as Mahayana v Theravada.

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One way to get all the ex-cons out of the monkhood is to make the minimum time as a monk five years.

Wat Pah Nanachat does this... But the question is, how do you make this stick? They don't live in a prison compound..

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It is the fate of all religions to be corrupted with time.

BTW what is "Thai" Buddhism?

Thailand does have a somewhat unique practice of Buddhist, probably enough to have that label, "Thai Buddhism." This is likely true especially if you add Theravada Buddhist school which is practiced here and is different in the finer points from, say, Tibetan Buddhism or Zen.

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Where there's money there's politics. Seems that some abbots have fallen in with the right-wing and become part of the elite.

And another Thaksin supporter crawls out of the woodwork. Member since 2008 and his 41st post. Where have you been all this time, ddavidovsky? Surely there have been better opportunities over the last six years for you attack the 'elite'.

TRT and Dhammakaya Temple - perfect match

According to the law of karma, as promoted by the temple, Thaksin Shinawatra was hailed as the ideal lay Buddhist, who had been blessed by the merit of his past lives and was endowed with a great many virtues. The temple played a song praising Thaksin composed by the Phra Dhammajayo himself on its Dow Tham satellite television channel - broadcasting 24 hours a day.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/09/27/opinion/opinion_30014752.php

I didn't know Dr. Thaksin was regarded as part of the right-wing elite. Oh, well, I guess it's true what they say, "Ignorance is bliss". You must be extremely blissful.

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Yes please, reform it post haste! I am sick of seeing monks smoking cigarettes, driving pick-ups or riding 3 wheelers....and I have heard there are some who drink alcohol and fraternize with woman.

Totally disgusting behavior!

May I ask which spiritual path you are on which advocates judgement like this?

Some monks are in for a few days before they get married, some are institutionalized - have some compassion.

Why not go and talk to the next monk you see smoking and tell him you think is is disgusting? Because you are full of ****.

I agree that driving a pick up is disgusting cheesy.gif

What's disgusting is that they are blatantly breaking the rules and bring shame and derision on the Monk-hood. If you respect Thai monks at all, you would be offended by the jokers BSJ mentioned.

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Hasn't Buddhism here been modified enough to become a more convenient, and "consumer friendly" version called Thai Buddhism?

Not very 'consumer friendly' to want all your money. In the Thai version, you have a choice of living the Buddhist model of paying money for advancement towards Nibbana. Maybe that choice is what you would call 'consumer friendly'. Contrary to what 'Thai' Buddhism teaches, it doesn't work that way.

Nibbana

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/nibbana.html

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