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hi'

to follow a bit the topic "hilltribe ..etc ..", but out of it like the way it could easily turn out ..

I thought that it could be more convenient to start a new one on the same kind of string ..

we have been talking about religion, philosophy and else ...

human condition and way of thinking ...

all this made me remember a talk I had once with a Thai Buddhist monk, after a while, he told me, that most of rituals belonged in fact to a kind of Anamism, some like the cotton thread they attach to your wrist.

It has been said that Thai won't be so happy to hear that their religion is not considered like one by some foreigners, I do agree with this.

as I said it is lived as a religion here and this fact can't be ignored.

like it has been said too, the meaning of religion is not well defined.

could we define it, I guess not, or some ways useless ... or not?

what about Japanese Zen, do Japanese consider Buddhism as a religion ?

well, I just would like this talk to go on ... ouside the HillTribes's life conditions .. :o

francois

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Buddhism is a WAY OF LIFE, and a lifestyle. It is a method of managing ones tme to be in harmony with ones surroundings. As a way of life it is a religion, but not in the same sense as xtians think about it.

Good idea new thread. The other was hi-jacked.

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Buddhism is a WAY OF LIFE, and a lifestyle. It is a method of managing ones tme to be in harmony with ones surroundings.

This is a way of life but not a religion. A religion "believes" in a superior being who is both our "creator" and an answer to our miserable life on earth, i.e., by following the "head" of whatever religion you are considering, you will join the superior being, with all the rewards (ask the terrorists who bombed quite a few places on this earth, they know the difference,...)

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Buddhism is a WAY OF LIFE, and a lifestyle. It is a method of managing ones tme to be in harmony with ones surroundings. As a way of life it is a religion, but not in the same sense as xtians think about it.

I also think Buddhism is a way of life, as I think Christianity can also be a way of life for the christians...

One is based on a religion, the other is based on, well...common sense :o

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Whih is which Ajarn?

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The other was hi-jacked.
hmm hmm a bit yop :o
This is a way of life but not a religion. A religion "believes" in a superior being who is both our "creator" and an answer to our miserable life on earth, i.e., by following the "head" of whatever religion you are considering, you will join the superior being, with all the rewards (ask the terrorists who bombed quite a few places on this earth, they know the difference,...)

I do think the same way, but why so many interpretations of a single book as we can find in Christianity and Islam?

I do understand that one can understand words in a different way that his/her neighbour,

but how can a single difference in giving a meaning to a sentence can drive to so may form of extremisms ?

isn't it scary to think that s single man can drive others to war and murders for a "religion"?

Aren't religions built on love and understanding?

I also think Buddhism is a way of life, as I think Christianity can also be a way of life for the christians...

One is based on a religion, the other is based on, well...common sense

I agree some ways, but I can put faith beside way of life just like this ...

well, I would rather say, my way of thinking might reveal some sides of my faith ...

my way of life is far to be the way I would like it to be :D

I saw (sure same as many of us), a text painted on a stone in Wat Umong, it's about

the way people live their faith ...

it's entitled " why is it so?"

>Buddha Dharma is not the religion of

>everyone who calls himself a Bhuddist,

>for many are found who call themselves

Bhuddist but do not conduct their lives

>according to the Dharma as thaught by

>Gotama Bhudda.

>Christianity is not the religion of everyone

>who calls himself a Christian, for many

>are found who call themselves Christian,

>but do not conduct their lives according

>to the Dharma as thaught by Jesus-Christ

>People of all other faiths fall

>into this category

>but all human beings deserve love,

>compassion and understanding,

>regardless of opinion and faith,

>all human beings are looking for peace

>and happiness, and avoid hate and

>suffering

>That is why people follow religion

>in which they take refuge.

> This being anywhere in the world

>men have prejudices against one another,

>all, just because of the difference

>of name of their religion founders.

I find this way to look at the world is so right :D

francois

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In response to the first post, all world religions contains elements of animism. The Christmas tree, for example, sprang from a pre-Christian celebration of winter solstice. The eating of communion wafers can be considered a type of animism (not to mention cannibalism! just kidding).

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In response to the first post, all world religions contains elements of animism. The Christmas tree, for example, sprang from a pre-Christian celebration of winter solstice. The eating of communion wafers can be considered a type of animism (not to mention cannibalism! just kidding).

might be right some ways, so do you think that we could consider any kind of ritual , linked to a religion or not, like containing a part of anamism in them?

I could find this easily in Hindhuism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam, some basics roots

that they could have in common.

mankind needs rituals to get the feeling that he belongs to something "outside or elsewhere" that the world he/she knows, this could be a primary form of anamism.

a kind of unknown, unreachable "great spirit".

I noticed also, that even if the main knowledge of a ritual (the why, the meanings) are partly lost along the years, the ritual remains the same and a part of the meaning too.

it might be in human nature to keep closer to daily details of life than acting with a constant big thought in mind about the nature of the world.

humble thoughts :o

francois

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Lord Buddha is a man, flesh and blood, he's not a super natural being, he does not have any super natural power, he live on earth not in heaven, he teaches and not command, he does not ask one worshiper to over take another, he respect other religious, you can be other religious and be able to contemplate in his temple, he teaches peacefulness.

correct DR. The Lord Buddha never claimed to be a God, he is just a man.

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The Lord Buddha was just a man, a wise one certainly, but just a man. He also encouraged people to question EVERYTHING. A very wise man.

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"Buddha is not to be worshipped, one has to become a buddha. Except for that, there is no worship, no prayer. You don't need any priest, you don't need any scriptures, you don't need to be in any religious organization, you have to be just yourself -- silently, peacefully settling within your home."

My message to humanity is: Enough is enough. Awake! See what man has done to man himself. In three thousand years man has fought five thousand wars. You cannot call this humanity healthy. And only once in a while has a Buddha bloomed. If in the garden only once in a while a plant brings a flower, and otherwise the whole garden remains without flowers, will you call it a garden? Something very basic has gone wrong. Each person is born to be a Buddha: less than that is not going to fulfill you.

To destroy man, to destroy his power, a great strategy has been used ― and that is to divide man in two. Man has lived with the concept of either/or: either be a materialist or be a spiritualist. You have been told you cannot be both. Either be the body or be the soul ― you have been taught you cannot be both.

Up to now, humanity has been schizophrenic ― because you have been told to repress, to reject, to deny, many parts of your natural being. And by rejecting them, by denying them, you cannot destroy them ― they simply go underground. They go on functioning from your unconscious; they become really more dangerous.

But your so-called religions have been teaching you ways of disharmony, ways of discord, ways of conflict. And when you are fighting with yourself you go on dissipating your energy. You remain dull, unintelligent, stupid ― because without great energy nobody is ever intelligent. When energy overflows there is intelligence. Energy overflowing is what causes intelligence to grow. And man has lived in an inward poverty.

My message to humanity is: Create a new man ― unsplit, integrated, whole.

The old man lived through ideologies. The new man will live not through ideologies, not through moralities, but through consciousness. The new man will live through awareness. The new man will be responsible ― responsible to himself and to existence. The new man will not be moral in the old sense; he will be amoral.

The new man brings a new world with him. Right now the new man is bound to be a mutant minority ― but he is the carrier of a new culture

The new man is open and honest. He is transparently real, authentic and self-disclosing. He will not be a hypocrite. He will not live through goals: he will live herenow. He will know only one time, now, and only one space, here. And through that presence he will know what god is.

" another wise man"

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I also think Buddhism is a way of life, as I think Christianity can also be a way of life for the christians...

Allow a new member to add a few thoughts.

My father-in-law, who dwells up in the hills above Chiang Mai, is a devout animist whose beliefs are every much a way of life as is Buddhism or Christianity is to their adherents. For one to proclaim a belief system as a way of life is to proclaim nothing unless you are trying to elevate your beliefs above another's beliefs. It is all "amen," I believe, in the end and some I know believe in the Tooth Fairy. Bottom line is that there is no difference between believing in Jesus and believing in the Tooth Fairy or believing in the enlightment of Buddha.

My two decades worth of connections up North leads me to believe that all Thais are fundamentally animist. The spirits, the phiis, the riak khwaan ceremonies are far more important to their daily lives than is "bun" and "baap." What matters to animists is the rote expression of their beliefs in the form of specific prayers or chants. Failing to perform the ceremony correctly can lead to suffering. And the Thais who convert to Christianity are animist to the core. For them the profession of their belief is all that matters, no different than my in-laws profession of their concerns towards the spirits, the ta mu x'a of their religion. I mean have any of you ever tried to engage in a religious conversation with a member of the Hope of Bangkok Church?

The funny thing is that most of my in-law's peers in the neighboring village are Christian and get semi-annual visits from Dr. Amnuay's ( a very good man) minions from Phayap Univ. But whenever life gets tough, they always sneak off to my in-laws house outside the village ( a baan lang diow) and ask my father-in-law to do some of that old time animist routine as he is the last of a great tradition, a minor tradition to the anthropologists, of Karen animists.

And it is not just the pure hill folks. In the local Khon Muang village where we maintain a homestead, the people do support a small wat, but it is to old Uey Khiow they go to first to relieve both their psychic and spiritual pains using the old K'mu animist techniques once common to the region. (The other contribution of K'mu culture in the "hood" is an abundance of slang terms used by the local men that is not easily understood by both this poor farang, not to mention the rare city Khon Muang visitor.)

Happy Trails

Johpa

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What is buddhism ?

Teaching of mind,

so simple that taught by great teacher ,

Lord Buddha that he is a human being

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