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Again stats and numbers dont lie. Crimes are committed mainly by men which stands to reason men are the largest demographic around. The women stay because the corrupt police let them. All in all but for the sexpats coming to Pattaya, there would be no clients.

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I did a count and statistical analysis of crimes reported by Pattaya News for the 6 month period of 1 Aug last year through 1 Feb this year. Results were 84% men, 12% women and 4% ladyboys for involvement in criminal incidents. I think that pretty much puts into perspective that many of you guy's assumptions are incorrect about ladyboys are causing the biggest problems in Pattaya.

I find it ironic that many of you favor violence against another person. I find it ironic you support the reported fact that it was ok for him to shove her but, it was wrong for her to hit him back. If it was a good looking lady who grabbed your junk you wouldnt be crying.

There are criminals everywhere and your much more apt to be killed or mugged by a man than a ladyboy.

Up to you what side of the street you walk on.

How could anyone so totally miss the point (unless trying very hard to ...)? Let's start over again, Einstein. This time, analyze the crimes committed against foreigners and within the areas under discussion (which are Walking Street and Beach Road). I think the results will be quite different, and will help you with your perspective.

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I did a count and statistical analysis of crimes reported by Pattaya News for the 6 month period of 1 Aug last year through 1 Feb this year. Results were 84% men, 12% women and 4% ladyboys for involvement in criminal incidents. I think that pretty much puts into perspective that many of you guy's assumptions are incorrect about ladyboys are causing the biggest problems in Pattaya.

I find it ironic that many of you favor violence against another person. I find it ironic you support the reported fact that it was ok for him to shove her but, it was wrong for her to hit him back. If it was a good looking lady who grabbed your junk you wouldnt be crying.

There are criminals everywhere and your much more apt to be killed or mugged by a man than a ladyboy.

Up to you what side of the street you walk on.

What a load of crap.

99% of these female impersonators trolling after dark are looking for trouble.

99% of the "normal' humans are not looking for trouble.

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I did a count and statistical analysis of crimes reported by Pattaya News for the 6 month period of 1 Aug last year through 1 Feb this year. Results were 84% men, 12% women and 4% ladyboys for involvement in criminal incidents. I think that pretty much puts into perspective that many of you guy's assumptions are incorrect about ladyboys are causing the biggest problems in Pattaya.

I find it ironic that many of you favor violence against another person. I find it ironic you support the reported fact that it was ok for him to shove her but, it was wrong for her to hit him back. If it was a good looking lady who grabbed your junk you wouldnt be crying.

There are criminals everywhere and your much more apt to be killed or mugged by a man than a ladyboy.

Up to you what side of the street you walk on.

How could anyone so totally miss the point (unless trying very hard to ...)? Let's start over again, Einstein. This time, analyze the crimes committed against foreigners and within the areas under discussion (which are Walking Street and Beach Road). I think the results will be quite different, and will help you with your perspective.

The crimes you mention are included in the numbers....is that so hard to understand?

The stats and crimes dont lie. But people like you who assume without knowing the facts are all over.

The only perspective I have is what the numbers and facts prove.

A crime is a crime, doesnt matter who it is against or where it takes place.

Guys like you just cant handle the truth as it doesnt fit into your hate profile.

People are assaulted and murdered in Pattaya every day. Men are the ones involved in the majority of the crime. Your perception is caused because the news is reported in a slanted basis. Dont believe me, go to Pattaya news and read it everyday.

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OK. Enough of the bickering. You have had your say and now leave it at that. Further bickering posts will be removed and potentially warnings or more will result.

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Ladyboy, man, girl, gay, tomboy, grandma, whatever... it doesn't matter. But my question is why he/she/it is back in business 3 days later (or maybe very next day)?

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Never one to not take up a challange....I documented and categorized the incidents against and including foreigners. Source: Pattaya News

7 NOV 14 - 7 MAY 15

CATEGORY MAN WOMAN LADYBOY
THEFT 30 4 6
ASSUALT 27 1 2
GANG 12 0 0
DRIVING 9 1 0
DRUGS 4 1 0
MURDER 4 0 0
DRUGGED-THEFT 0 7 0
OTHER 10 2 0
#INCIDENTS 96 16 8

Total of 120 incidents. Commited by 80% men, 13% women, 7% ladyboys

In conclusion as I stated earlier, you are much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man. These stats follow right along and mirror the previous 6 month statistics in which I counted all incidents against thais and foreigners. Pay attention to the drugging and theft by thai women prostitutes.

What I take out of this all:

Dont walk on beach road at night or for that anywhere alone or in dark sois

Dont stop walking, continue right on

Dont piss people off just say no thank you and keep walking

Stay sober and use common sense

Dont take or wear anything you are not willing to lose easily

Dont assualt anyone for any reason, you are not going to win the battle

It is after all Pattaya, not the safest place in the world to be after midnight. Not hating just you have to be smart and mitigate the risk factors before partaking in the nightlife.

Be safe out there

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Never one to not take up a challange....I documented and categorized the incidents against and including foreigners. Source: Pattaya News

7 NOV 14 - 7 MAY 15

CATEGORY MAN WOMAN LADYBOY

THEFT 30 4 6

ASSUALT 27 1 2

GANG 12 0 0

DRIVING 9 1 0

DRUGS 4 1 0

MURDER 4 0 0

DRUGGED-THEFT 0 7 0

OTHER 10 2 0

#INCIDENTS 96 16 8

Total of 120 incidents. Commited by 80% men, 13% women, 7% ladyboys

In conclusion as I stated earlier, you are much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man. These stats follow right along and mirror the previous 6 month statistics in which I counted all incidents against thais and foreigners. Pay attention to the drugging and theft by thai women prostitutes.

What I take out of this all:

Dont walk on beach road at night or for that anywhere alone or in dark sois

Dont stop walking, continue right on

Dont piss people off just say no thank you and keep walking

Stay sober and use common sense

Dont take or wear anything you are not willing to lose easily

Dont assualt anyone for any reason, you are not going to win the battle

It is after all Pattaya, not the safest place in the world to be after midnight. Not hating just you have to be smart and mitigate the risk factors before partaking in the nightlife.

Be safe out there

I thought this discussion had been shutdown, but since it apparently hasn't...

"In conclusion as I stated earlier, you are much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man."

...EXCEPT in the Walking Street & Beach Road areas, which is where the problem LBs are hanging out & assaulting their victims, and where many are suggesting something more needs to be done, not citywide. Perhaps there are boatloads of peaceful LBs in other parts of town and other parts of the country going about their daily routines peacefully. But in the area where THIS incident occurred, that's NOT a true statement, but you insist on collecting data on a larger population that obscures the problem. Furthermore, that's only a six-month period you looked at. 'Hardly a meaningful data sample. Since I'm a foreigner, I'm not interested in the crimes committed against thais, only against foreigners, but your data obscures that as well, by mixing the two together. Finally, I'm not sure crimes that end up reported by the Pattaya News actually constitutes the big picture. I expect many go unreported, esp. where LBs are involved, due to "bashfulness" at having one's name & picture in the news. I'm not even sure all crimes reported to the police constitute the big picture!

I DON'T think that as a foreigner simply strolling on Walking Street or Beach Road I'm "much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man", if by "incident" we mean criminal assault (as in this case), ESPECIALLY if you exclude disagreements over bar bills & such. Your data certainly doesn't prove that. City-wide, throwing in the drive-by snatches, random shootings, grudge stabbings, gang violence, domestic altercations with locals, etc., maybe so - those will often if not usually involve men of course. But that's not what we're talking about.

The true statement is something closer to having to be much more cautious to steer well clear of the over-aggressive LBs in these areas. The worst you usually have to fear from the "men" in these areas is being touted for a massage, special show, or new suit ... and THEY all take No (or simply being ignored) for an answer.

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Never one to not take up a challange....I documented and categorized the incidents against and including foreigners. Source: Pattaya News

7 NOV 14 - 7 MAY 15

CATEGORY MAN WOMAN LADYBOY

THEFT 30 4 6

ASSUALT 27 1 2

GANG 12 0 0

DRIVING 9 1 0

DRUGS 4 1 0

MURDER 4 0 0

DRUGGED-THEFT 0 7 0

OTHER 10 2 0

#INCIDENTS 96 16 8

Total of 120 incidents. Commited by 80% men, 13% women, 7% ladyboys

In conclusion as I stated earlier, you are much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man. These stats follow right along and mirror the previous 6 month statistics in which I counted all incidents against thais and foreigners. Pay attention to the drugging and theft by thai women prostitutes.

What I take out of this all:

Dont walk on beach road at night or for that anywhere alone or in dark sois

Dont stop walking, continue right on

Dont piss people off just say no thank you and keep walking

Stay sober and use common sense

Dont take or wear anything you are not willing to lose easily

Dont assualt anyone for any reason, you are not going to win the battle

It is after all Pattaya, not the safest place in the world to be after midnight. Not hating just you have to be smart and mitigate the risk factors before partaking in the nightlife.

Be safe out there

Good analysis.

Now take the ratio into account and this proves a large percentage of these freaky men wearing dresses are way more dangerous than the average citizen.

You want to be mugged or drugged? Hang out near the ladyboys.

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Never one to not take up a challange....I documented and categorized the incidents against and including foreigners. Source: Pattaya News

7 NOV 14 - 7 MAY 15

CATEGORY MAN WOMAN LADYBOY

THEFT 30 4 6

ASSUALT 27 1 2

GANG 12 0 0

DRIVING 9 1 0

DRUGS 4 1 0

MURDER 4 0 0

DRUGGED-THEFT 0 7 0

OTHER 10 2 0

#INCIDENTS 96 16 8

Total of 120 incidents. Commited by 80% men, 13% women, 7% ladyboys

In conclusion as I stated earlier, you are much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man. These stats follow right along and mirror the previous 6 month statistics in which I counted all incidents against thais and foreigners. Pay attention to the drugging and theft by thai women prostitutes.

What I take out of this all:

Dont walk on beach road at night or for that anywhere alone or in dark sois

Dont stop walking, continue right on

Dont piss people off just say no thank you and keep walking

Stay sober and use common sense

Dont take or wear anything you are not willing to lose easily

Dont assualt anyone for any reason, you are not going to win the battle

It is after all Pattaya, not the safest place in the world to be after midnight. Not hating just you have to be smart and mitigate the risk factors before partaking in the nightlife.

Be safe out there

Good analysis.

Now take the ratio into account and this proves a large percentage of these freaky men wearing dresses are way more dangerous than the average citizen.

You want to be mugged or drugged? Hang out near the ladyboys.

What it proves is you are a lady boy phobic. It is quite a common problem among those who don't have "I don't have a clue about Thailand phobia." Luckily the cure is simple. Stop chasing hookers and meet some normal Thai lady boys who are doctors and teachers and members of all the other professions in Thailand.

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There is a lot of discrimination by Thais against trans people. They are mostly expected to keep in their place ... entertainment and low level service like wait staff, retail clerks etc.

To suggest they are well represented in higher level professions here is a gross distortion of truth.

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There is a lot of discrimination by Thais against trans people. They are mostly expected to keep in their place ... entertainment and low level service like wait staff, retail clerks etc.

To suggest they are well represented in higher level professions here is a gross distortion of truth.

Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

You are oh so wrong my friend. And even with the truth and facts presented, you still have nothing but negative things to say. Just give it a rest.

What happened with the assault was wrong. It would have been wrong with a man, woman, or ladyboy committing it. Doesnt matter the gender or orientation, it was wrong. Quit the bashing and blaming based on gender, your assumptions are incorrect. Life will go on and another crime will be committed this evening.

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Never one to not take up a challange....I documented and categorized the incidents against and including foreigners. Source: Pattaya News

7 NOV 14 - 7 MAY 15

CATEGORY MAN WOMAN LADYBOY

THEFT 30 4 6

ASSUALT 27 1 2

GANG 12 0 0

DRIVING 9 1 0

DRUGS 4 1 0

MURDER 4 0 0

DRUGGED-THEFT 0 7 0

OTHER 10 2 0

#INCIDENTS 96 16 8

Total of 120 incidents. Commited by 80% men, 13% women, 7% ladyboys

In conclusion as I stated earlier, you are much more apt to be involved in an incident with a man. These stats follow right along and mirror the previous 6 month statistics in which I counted all incidents against thais and foreigners. Pay attention to the drugging and theft by thai women prostitutes.

What I take out of this all:

Dont walk on beach road at night or for that anywhere alone or in dark sois

Dont stop walking, continue right on

Dont piss people off just say no thank you and keep walking

Stay sober and use common sense

Dont take or wear anything you are not willing to lose easily

Dont assualt anyone for any reason, you are not going to win the battle

It is after all Pattaya, not the safest place in the world to be after midnight. Not hating just you have to be smart and mitigate the risk factors before partaking in the nightlife.

Be safe out there

Good analysis.

Now take the ratio into account and this proves a large percentage of these freaky men wearing dresses are way more dangerous than the average citizen.

You want to be mugged or drugged? Hang out near the ladyboys.

What are you talking about? 96 crimes committed by men, 16 by women and 8 by LB and they are the most dangerous? Stop with your bashing and look at the facts. Quit with the phobia.

Im smart enough to not hang out in areas with crime.

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There is a lot of discrimination by Thais against trans people. They are mostly expected to keep in their place ... entertainment and low level service like wait staff, retail clerks etc.

To suggest they are well represented in higher level professions here is a gross distortion of truth.

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In my years of experience in Thailand with all kinds of people the worst discrimination I have encountered against lady boys has been on Thai Visa. Every time a story runs with crime and a lady boy all the lady boy phobic people come out of the closet (no pun intended).

I disagree with your opinion and most cultured, educated and traveled Thais would also. A lady boy holds a major position at a Thai Airline. A lady boy holds a major position at a Thai retail business. A lady boy holds a major position at a Thai hospital. A lady boy holds a major position at a Thai college. A Thai lady boy is married to a major player in Washington DC.

I think the view of minorities in any country is colored by our prejudice. People who have set ideas on what is right and wrong and are not flexible towards gender identity see all sorts of things that people who are not prejudiced don't see.

Thailand has a long history of acceptance of gender flexibility that is far more flexible than even the male or female gay roles that are accepted as the norm in Western society.

Money is far more important in Thailand than gender. A successful lady boy is accepted while a poor gay fellow is not. I have met many a Thai momma that introduces her lady boy child proudly because she is rich and pushes her poor gay son in the closet because he is poor.

When evaluating anything in Thailand look to the money before the morals or any kind of Western cultural tradition that is easily ignored by the overwhelming cultural tradition of money number 1 in Thailand.wai2.gif

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I would also have to disagree with those stats posted above. In the last year or so things have really changed on beach road and walking street to protect tourists. For instance the new orange shirts wearing chonburi police have added a police box opposite soi Yamoto office and soi Pattayaland. Also on walking street the police have added a table by Lucifers and by the big tree after marine instead of just the beginning of walking st. Yes they still have ladyboys in both areas but I have not read near as many reports going back the 10 years or so since doing this. I think this has scared off the late night pickpocket crews that worked there previous years. They also seem to do several sweeps a night and the fine has gone up from 100 baht to 300.

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