hEaDy Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Bungee jumping, zip line gliding, ATV riding, parasailing, etc. Don't come to Thailand to do these. Do them in places that have safety standards and where companies actually take safety seriously, not just post a "Safety First" sign. not forgetting jet skis, crossing the road.... Not forgetting waking up in the morning... Or being born in the first place... Get a life <deleted>! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Shut down every zip line and bungee jump in the country, effective immediately. This is the second death in recent days. When man children are responsibility for safety, and are hellbent on saving money on safety equipment, and do not know how to install or use the equipment properly, it is a recipe for disaster. Since there is no public safety agency, that is involved in these kinds of hazardous activities, they should not be allowed to operate. Children doing the work of adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 was to be expected,...sooner or later....Thai safety standards....???? Sad indeed, and yes not unexpected, and somebody should be punished including the officials that should regularly inspect these things. This brings the obvious questions: Are these attractions and their equipment regularly inspected? And is it a surprise inspection? Are there any inspection certificates, with dates, on display? Further, one wonders whether the officials who should inspect these set ups are actually qualified in the appropriate areas of engineering to assess if it's all strong enough to withstand certain loads, sudden heavy loads and pressures and twists, and is it all locked properly to bases, etc etc. And, Is there any training for the staff on how to ensure the customer if properly inside the harness etc? And is there a designated senior employee who is responsible to regularly (at least daily) inspect the actual harness for wear etc., and is this inspection recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 "...the news was withheld from the media until today because junta chairman and Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha was visiting Chiang Mai at the time, and local authorities did not want any "negative news" to surface during his trip..." "Son, hiding the truth is just the cowards way to lie", ... Jeri Smith-Ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Bungy jump death in Phuket last month and a zip line death this month. In S'pore mega-zip was closed for months after an Aussie broke his back ion entry into the catch net and those guys had the highest standards in safety and operations. I hate heights but took the line several times and it was perfect. The difference being that S'pore adventure companies are safety conscious and well regulated. I bet this Chiang Mai zip line is open for business today and using the same equipment. I avoid this stuff in unregulated countries - period. My Thai adult son and his wife are sports crazy and love these things, but never in Thailand. They regularly visit Singapore and whenever possible visit the site mentioned above. They often have visitors who mention about bungee jumps etc etc., My son says 'don't even think about it, and I won't take you there'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckizuchinni Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 You 'may' wish to do a Google Search using as the search parameters 'adventure sports,' 'adventure sports zip line,' or zip line adventure sports.' There are several hundred websites on just the first few pages that disagree with you... Let me introduce you to just a few of them, close to home: (NOTE: These are all Chiang Mai listings, and all have either the word Adventure or Extreme right in their titles and ALL include zip-lining.) http://tqmmathailand.com/adventure-activities/ http://www.getyourguide.com/chiang-mai-l271/extreme-sports-adrenaline-tc85/ http://chiangmai.thaivisa.com/adventure-sports-activities-in-chiang-mai/#.VZc75OH1-Os http://www.actionsportasia.com/what-is-the-best-zipline-in-chiang-mai/ http://www.travelhubchiangmai.com/adventure_activities.html We could go on and on, but I hope you get the idea by now. There is nothing ridiculous in the analogies. Only in your definitions. Google is hardly the arbiter of definitions. It is merely a search engine. It puts out results based on algorithms that incorporate things like the wording within a site. If a zipline website chooses to use those words--as it is trying to give the appearance of being an extreme adventure sport, then that is what Google will show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 ......the bottom line is...........the bottom line.......that is the overwhelming problem.........nothing....nor......nobody else ......matters..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 As always, the powers that be are reactive as opposed to being proactive in doing their jobs. Funnily enough, the PM said exactly that last night on his nightly tv address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckizuchinni Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Adventure sports are for people who live in the fast lane. Most of us don't play golf. We tend to live on the edge. And while we all say we want safety, what we really want is an element of danger. And sometimes we fall off that edge. “Live fast, die young and leave a good-looking corpse!” Ziplining is not an adventure sport. It is an amusement park ride, nothing more. It offers the impression of danger, just as does a roller coaster or as a haunted house ride offers the impression of ghosts. You seem to think that there is an acceptable death rate for ziplining and think that since it doesn't happen in Thailand often, that proves they are OK. No, this isn't OK, and this death was preventable. I don't think ANY death is acceptable. How dare you suggest otherwise? The fact that it does occur is just that; fact. Please don't confuse your emotional response to the situation as anyone else's acceptance. You are hardly in any position to know what someone else thinks or feels. How dare I? Not much of a dare, even if what I wrote was that you SEEM to think, not that you do think. I don't know what you think, only what you wrote, and I made my comment based on your wording in your post. If you don't want others misconstrue what you think, I would suggest being more careful and clear in your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Come for the adventure! Stay for the burial! Are you going to get t-shirts printed? I think you could be on to a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiSePuede419 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 If zip lining is a "sport" and not just for "thrill seekers", then what's the score? When is the "game" over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlwilliamsjr18 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Anyone with an idea (if you're Thai) can set up a business with minimal regulations (beyond the Tea Money). Best advice for tourist, stay clear of these kinds of businesses. From my seat...seems tourist are not very good consumers, only looking for selfie opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I wouldn't go near anything in Thailand that required good design and maintenance in order to prevent death ... and seeing as good design and maintenance are a very weak in Thailand ... I'll wait till I go to Disneyland for my next roller coaster ride. Your in a bit of a catch 22 as you would need to take an international flight to get to the nearest Disney Land... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 And Thailand wonders why it has a bad reputation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarteso Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 which of the two is the outstanding news, the trip of the General or the unfortunate death of a man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Well......12m is sure enough to do the trick. But what about those zip lines at the Pattaya Park tower. I wasnt sure about there saftey standards 15 years ago.....So are they doing a good job or is it just a matter of time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Cynical but so true....Thai logic(a contradiction in terms).....if the man hadn't come to visit Thailand then the accident wouldn't have happened. Unfortunate man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza40 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 How many people die from high-risk activities such as zip-lining, ATV's and rafting in Thailand? Wager it's a lot less than the 25,000 road deaths a year. So is driving in Thailand considered to be high risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebrown Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 As always, the powers that be are reactive as opposed to being proactive in doing their jobs. Funnily enough, the PM said exactly that last night on his nightly tv address. The PM can 'talk the talk' ad-infinitum, but at the end of the day Thai culture always prevails and nothing but 'lip service' will be applied to issues like Health & Safety, Crackdowns and every other facet of the law relating to human safety. Only those areas where 'tea money is involved will any form of control ever be applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Things that can be done during our visit to Thailand: Ride bus (Headline: 9 killed in bus accident.....) Ride train (Headline: 2 killed multiple injured in in train derailment.....) Swim in pool (Headline: 1 killed in swimming pool, faulty wiring to blame.....) Karaoke bar (Headline: Father / son beaten and stabbed in Karaoke bar...) Tiger visit (Headline: Tourist mauled by tiger...) Motorcycle tour (Headline: 2 killed on blind corner by passing car...) Renew visa (Headline: mini-bus on boarder run drives off road, 1 killed 8 injured...) Stay in high-rise: (Headline: Pattaya tourist falls from high-rise hotel...) Jet ski (Headline: Man/wife beaten and hospitalized after refusing to pay damages to jet ski...) Taxi ride (Headline: Man hacked to death with machete over 50 baht fee...) Jungle zip-line tour (Headline................... Note to self: Reschedule trip to Thailand; schedule new trip to Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maanoi Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Withheld from the media??? I saw this on Thai news the day after it happend. The Doi Saket head man was interviewed and blammed the tourist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 You 'may' wish to do a Google Search using as the search parameters 'adventure sports,' 'adventure sports zip line,' or zip line adventure sports.' There are several hundred websites on just the first few pages that disagree with you... Let me introduce you to just a few of them, close to home: (NOTE: These are all Chiang Mai listings, and all have either the word Adventure or Extreme right in their titles and ALL include zip-lining.) http://tqmmathailand.com/adventure-activities/ http://www.getyourguide.com/chiang-mai-l271/extreme-sports-adrenaline-tc85/ http://chiangmai.thaivisa.com/adventure-sports-activities-in-chiang-mai/#.VZc75OH1-Os http://www.actionsportasia.com/what-is-the-best-zipline-in-chiang-mai/ http://www.travelhubchiangmai.com/adventure_activities.html We could go on and on, but I hope you get the idea by now. There is nothing ridiculous in the analogies. Only in your definitions. Google is hardly the arbiter of definitions. It is merely a search engine. It puts out results based on algorithms that incorporate things like the wording within a site. If a zipline website chooses to use those words--as it is trying to give the appearance of being an extreme adventure sport, then that is what Google will show. I see you choose to argue 'Google' rather than the thousands of different companies offering zip-lining and calling it 'Adventure Sport.' Google isn't defining anything. It's simply giving us access to (in this case) the world view of what constitutes an Adventure Sport. That a handful people posting to ThaiVisa wish to dispute those thousands is fine. You can call a sparrow a brick if you wish to, but the fact is, it will still be able to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optad Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Things that can be done during our visit to Thailand: Ride bus (Headline: 9 killed in bus accident.....) Ride train (Headline: 2 killed multiple injured in in train derailment.....) Swim in pool (Headline: 1 killed in swimming pool, faulty wiring to blame.....) Karaoke bar (Headline: Father / son beaten and stabbed in Karaoke bar...) Tiger visit (Headline: Tourist mauled by tiger...) Motorcycle tour (Headline: 2 killed on blind corner by passing car...) Renew visa (Headline: mini-bus on boarder run drives off road, 1 killed 8 injured...) Stay in high-rise: (Headline: Pattaya tourist falls from high-rise hotel...) Jet ski (Headline: Man/wife beaten and hospitalized after refusing to pay damages to jet ski...) Taxi ride (Headline: Man hacked to death with machete over 50 baht fee...) Jungle zip-line tour (Headline................... Note to self: Reschedule trip to Thailand; schedule new trip to Australia. haha!! You need to rephrase things and think about it differently connda. Which headline do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitti Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I wouldn't go near anything in Thailand that required good design and maintenance in order to prevent death ... and seeing as good design and maintenance are a very weak in Thailand ... I'll wait till I go to Disneyland for my next roller coaster ride. Disneyland, "happiest place on earth", already have at least dozen nasty deaths and plenty on injuries, including your roller coaster ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optad Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Jungle zip-line tour (Headline................... Adventure-thrill seeking family came to Thailand to defy stats and lost ...narrowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza40 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Things that can be done during our visit to Thailand: Ride bus (Headline: 9 killed in bus accident.....) Ride train (Headline: 2 killed multiple injured in in train derailment.....) Swim in pool (Headline: 1 killed in swimming pool, faulty wiring to blame.....) Karaoke bar (Headline: Father / son beaten and stabbed in Karaoke bar...) Tiger visit (Headline: Tourist mauled by tiger...) Motorcycle tour (Headline: 2 killed on blind corner by passing car...) Renew visa (Headline: mini-bus on boarder run drives off road, 1 killed 8 injured...) Stay in high-rise: (Headline: Pattaya tourist falls from high-rise hotel...) Jet ski (Headline: Man/wife beaten and hospitalized after refusing to pay damages to jet ski...) Taxi ride (Headline: Man hacked to death with machete over 50 baht fee...) Jungle zip-line tour (Headline................... Note to self: Reschedule trip to Thailand; schedule new trip to Australia. Then either freeze to death or die from boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelplatoon Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 The risk people take... There is only one official bungee in Chiang Mai, run by a kiwi with all certification and safety measures: X center. The rest are cowboys, be it zip lining or bungee or atv rides. Sad... RIP Oooh wow, let's not upset the PM. If it's not news, it didn't really happen... Ostrich policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Are they trying to hide it happened in CM Zoo?Zip-lining over the tiger enclosure?? Now THAT would be adventure tourism!!! Especially with faulty harnesses or stretched cables!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongoz Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 My condolences to the family of the fallen man. Things like this are always a tragedy. However... Ships are safe in the harbor, but that's not what ships are for. There is an element of danger in most adventure activities. We can strive to minimize the risk but we can never eliminate it completely, no matter how much some might want to. This isn't a Nanny State. If you want that sort of mommy/daddy protection, having your hand held while you walk down a paved road, you can find it back home. The various zip-line companies have been in business for quite a few years, with a safety record that, for Thailand, is pretty damn good. Folks can say 'I just knew something like this was going to happen...: Well yeah! Wait 5-7 years and it probably will. Wait, and someone will probably get hit in the head with a golf ball or drop a free weight on their chest. Just give it enough time.... Skiers now wear helmets on the slops in most major ski areas, and all have ski patrol personnel monitoring, watching for potential problems, yet every year in several ski areas, someone skis out of control, slams into a tree and dies. Adventure sports are for people who live in the fast lane. Most of us don't play golf. We tend to live on the edge. And while we all say we want safety, what we really want is an element of danger. And sometimes we fall off that edge. “Live fast, die young and leave a good-looking corpse!” There is no way that Zip Lining falls under the classification of an adventure sport and having an expectation of proper safety procedures and equipment is hardly an indication that you require mommy/daddy protection in a Nanny State. Your analogies are ridiculous. You 'may' wish to do a Google Search using as the search parameters 'adventure sports,' 'adventure sports zip line,' or zip line adventure sports.' There are several hundred websites on just the first few pages that disagree with you... Let me introduce you to just a few of them, close to home: (NOTE: These are all Chiang Mai listings, and all have either the word Adventure or Extreme right in their titles and ALL include zip-lining.) http://tqmmathailand.com/adventure-activities/ http://www.getyourguide.com/chiang-mai-l271/extreme-sports-adrenaline-tc85/ http://chiangmai.thaivisa.com/adventure-sports-activities-in-chiang-mai/#.VZc75OH1-Os http://www.actionsportasia.com/what-is-the-best-zipline-in-chiang-mai/ http://www.travelhubchiangmai.com/adventure_activities.html We could go on and on, but I hope you get the idea by now. There is nothing ridiculous in the analogies. Only in your definitions. OH Google!!! Google Doctor and Doctor Who is in the responses. Can Doctor Who treat my injuries from my adventure zip line experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGS1244 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 My condolences to the family of the fallen man. Things like this are always a tragedy. However... Ships are safe in the harbor, but that's not what ships are for. There is an element of danger in most adventure activities. We can strive to minimize the risk but we can never eliminate it completely, no matter how much some might want to. This isn't a Nanny State. If you want that sort of mommy/daddy protection, having your hand held while you walk down a paved road, you can find it back home. The various zip-line companies have been in business for quite a few years, with a safety record that, for Thailand, is pretty damn good. Folks can say 'I just knew something like this was going to happen...: Well yeah! Wait 5-7 years and it probably will. Wait, and someone will probably get hit in the head with a golf ball or drop a free weight on their chest. Just give it enough time.... Skiers now wear helmets on the slops in most major ski areas, and all have ski patrol personnel monitoring, watching for potential problems, yet every year in several ski areas, someone skis out of control, slams into a tree and dies. Adventure sports are for people who live in the fast lane. Most of us don't play golf. We tend to live on the edge. And while we all say we want safety, what we really want is an element of danger. And sometimes we fall off that edge. “Live fast, die young and leave a good-looking corpse!” There is no way that Zip Lining falls under the classification of an adventure sport and having an expectation of proper safety procedures and equipment is hardly an indication that you require mommy/daddy protection in a Nanny State. Your analogies are ridiculous. I think the comments were perfectly sound it was yours that were ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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