Basil B Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It is not the just the two Burmese on trial here but The whole Thai judicial system and the RTP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviss Geez Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It is not the just the two Cambodians on trial here but The whole Thai judicial system and the RTP... It's not 2 Cambodians on trial. Are you in the wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIPinthailand Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 birma guys... not cambodians but the problem is the same. the 3 or 4 real culprits are still running free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It is not the just the two Cambodians on trial here but The whole Thai judicial system and the RTP... It's not 2 Cambodians on trial. Are you in the wrong thread? Sorry but I had corrected my mistake before you posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 birma guys... not cambodians but the problem is the same. the 3 or 4 real culprits are still running free. If the 2 on trial are genuinely not responsible for these crimes, then the real culprits should right now be finding a way to take up residence in a country without an extradition treaty to Thailand. That is, if the real culprits did not leave the island the following morning on the first available ferry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 The hard part for the families just now "Families of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller see photos of the backpackers' bodies as they are shown to the court" https://twitter.com/jonathansamuels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 ...the world consider and accept the Thai justice system as adhering to standards of international justice. Hard to believe this will ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Ruling expected tomorrow on whether DNA evidence in British backpacker murders can be retested by an independent laboratory. #kohtao So I guess that means the judge / judges accept there is a case for rechecking the DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I fully expect the Thai forensic specialists will explain the British DNA alleged discrepancies to the judge's satisfaction, and he will accept the evidence without the need for independent testing. It would probably go something like this: The Brits did not have the full facts or complete samples or they tested the wrong ones or they were just observing not testing. Easy mistake to make. I do hope I am wrong, but I get a sense that it is written in the stars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I fully expect the Thai forensic specialists will explain the British DNA alleged discrepancies to the judge's satisfaction, and he will accept the evidence without the need for independent testing. It would probably go something like this: The Brits did not have the full facts or complete samples or they tested the wrong ones or they were just observing not testing. Easy mistake to make. I do hope I am wrong, but I get a sense that it is written in the stars... Or they may do a Glee club special and dismiss it as rumour mongering If the UK has DNA that conflicts with the RTP DNA then I know which one I would believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Start of trial over double murder of British touristsKOH SAMUI, 8 July 2015 (NNT) - The trial of the two men accused of the murder of two British tourists begins today in Koh Samui.Two 22-year-old Myanmar nationals, Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, were arrested two weeks after Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were found brutally murdered on the beach on Koh Tao, on September 15, 2014.The two claim that their subsequent confessions were made under duress.The families of the British victims traveled to Koh Samui where the trial is being held, arriving on Wednesday. They have refused to comment on the case so far.Attorneys for the two Myanmar suspects have asserted that there appears to be a discrepancy between DNA evidence held by Thai police and DNA samples tested by British police. Local authorities previously stated that forensic evidence, including DNA samples from cigarette butts found near the bodies, tied the men to the scene.A verdict in the case is not expected before October.-- NNT 2015-07-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manbing Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Even the parents have arrived stating they are waiting for questions related to the deaths to be answered, and they hope that the guilty people involved can be determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I have yet to hear anyone quoting the British police as saying that they had access to. Or tested any DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky11 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Great to see that the people are starting to see what some what some posters are really like and ignoring them is the best medicine for them . Yes, I could have responded, but what's the mileage in having a meaningless debate argument. Now the Brits are helping the defence, and if independent testing of DNA is permitted, I'm hopeful the prosecution's case will founder on the rocks of truthful disclosure. ..........and if it doesn't and it confirms that they were the killers/rapists!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 birma guys... not cambodians but the problem is the same. the 3 or 4 real culprits are still running free. Have you contacted the defense team to provide your testimony of who the real culprits are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Making accusations against court officials is a serious offence in Thailand and any more will be dealt with severely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooo Upto Me Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Great to see that the people are starting to see what some what some posters are really like and ignoring them is the best medicine for them . Yes, I could have responded, but what's the mileage in having a meaningless debate argument. Now the Brits are helping the defence, and if independent testing of DNA is permitted, I'm hopeful the prosecution's case will founder on the rocks of truthful disclosure. Yes difficult to predict what this new evidence actually is but its obviously significant enough for Andy to call it 'important'. I guess we're not going to hear about it just yet as its the prosecutions turn at the moment? Happy to see also the UK has finally provided this for them and helped them with the case to ensure fairness The UK had provided it a while ago. Only now it is being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I have yet to hear anyone quoting the British police as saying that they had access to. Or tested any DNA. Ah never mind.....we also never heard of 2 witness testimonies from the UK but luckily the defense team has heard and if true then at least we are getting some way to ensuring a fair trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooo Upto Me Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 birma guys... not cambodians but the problem is the same. the 3 or 4 real culprits are still running free. Have you contacted the defense team to provide your testimony of who the real culprits are? And have u? As u seem to know so much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I have yet to hear anyone quoting the British police as saying that they had access to. Or tested any DNA. well now you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Great to see that the people are starting to see what some what some posters are really like and ignoring them is the best medicine for them . Yes, I could have responded, but what's the mileage in having a meaningless debate argument. Now the Brits are helping the defence, and if independent testing of DNA is permitted, I'm hopeful the prosecution's case will founder on the rocks of truthful disclosure. Yes difficult to predict what this new evidence actually is but its obviously significant enough for Andy to call it 'important'. I guess we're not going to hear about it just yet as its the prosecutions turn at the moment? Happy to see also the UK has finally provided this for them and helped them with the case to ensure fairness The UK had provided it a while ago. Only now it is being released. No apparently it was only provided within the last few days In the runup to the trial, the Guardian has learned that UK authorities have now provided some information to the defence. There has been a lot more advance disclosure from the British side. Andy Hall, migrants' rights activist “We’ve also had positive cooperation from UK-based witnesses,” Hall said. Hall refused to detail what information had been provided, which agency provided it or how it would affect the trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 birma guys... not cambodians but the problem is the same. the 3 or 4 real culprits are still running free. Have you contacted the defense team to provide your testimony of who the real culprits are? And have u? As u seem to know so much about it. I'm not the one claiming to know who the "the 3 or 4 real culprits are" are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loonodingle Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Great to see that the people are starting to see what some what some posters are really like and ignoring them is the best medicine for them . Yes, I could have responded, but what's the mileage in having a meaningless debate argument. Now the Brits are helping the defence, and if independent testing of DNA is permitted, I'm hopeful the prosecution's case will founder on the rocks of truthful disclosure. Here Here.... Well responded to Mr Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I have yet to hear anyone quoting the British police as saying that they had access to. Or tested any DNA. well now you have. Nope I have seen something saying that the defense says...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Great to see that the people are starting to see what some what some posters are really like and ignoring them is the best medicine for them . Yes, I could have responded, but what's the mileage in having a meaningless debate argument. Now the Brits are helping the defence, and if independent testing of DNA is permitted, I'm hopeful the prosecution's case will founder on the rocks of truthful disclosure. ..........and if it doesn't and it confirms that they were the killers/rapists!! On the assumption that independent testing would be permitted if the alleged discrepancy is accepted by the court, it's logical to conclude that such a discrepancy if validated, would cause reasonable doubt. In other words, proof of a discrepancy that differs to the prosecution's assertions is sufficient - and that means it cannot match the B2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 Start of trial over double murder of British touristsKOH SAMUI, 8 July 2015 (NNT) - The trial of the two men accused of the murder of two British tourists begins today in Koh Samui.Two 22-year-old Myanmar nationals, Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, were arrested two weeks after Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were found brutally murdered on the beach on Koh Tao, on September 15, 2014.The two claim that their subsequent confessions were made under duress.The families of the British victims traveled to Koh Samui where the trial is being held, arriving on Wednesday. They have refused to comment on the case so far.Attorneys for the two Myanmar suspects have asserted that there appears to be a discrepancy between DNA evidence held by Thai police and DNA samples tested by British police. Local authorities previously stated that forensic evidence, including DNA samples from cigarette butts found near the bodies, tied the men to the scene.A verdict in the case is not expected before October.-- NNT 2015-07-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 birma guys... not cambodians but the problem is the same. the 3 or 4 real culprits are still running free. Have you contacted the defense team to provide your testimony of who the real culprits are? And have u? As u seem to know so much about it. I'm not the one claiming to know who the "the 3 or 4 real culprits are" are. Early in the topic and I can already tell which two are going to be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I have yet to hear anyone quoting the British police as saying that they had access to. Or tested any DNA. well now you have. NopeI have seen something saying that the defense says...... So I suppose the only credible source from your POV, is the RTP? I could say, and the RTP says...which you would accept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnx355 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 How can we trust the crime scene investigation. Watch the news in Thailand. crime scene protection is a joke. Everybody walks arounds crime scene...Police officers and government official; with a lot of gold on their shoulders., any king of photographers from nwespapers., ambulance and rescue personnel even civilians,,,,, Investigation are often managed by hight ranking official that make declaration in newspapers.... I hope one day justice can be done for everybody and that police will be free from people in power to do their jobs....and not submits to the riches, the famous and the connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprq Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Statement: Defence Lawyers Team, Koh Tao Case KOH SAMUI:-- A team of defence lawyers assumed responsibility for this case in the name of the Lawyers Council of Thailand as this appeared to be a situation where the accused had been tortured to confess to the crimes they are accused of. The accused in this case are migrant workers but all their basic human rights for access to justice as the accused and defendants in a criminal case should be respected. The Lawyers Council of Thailand expects justice to be achieved for all parties to this case and is working to ensure the truth is revealed. The Lawyers Council of Thailand is confident that the mechanisms of the justice system including prosecution officials, defence lawyers and the court itself will be able to ensure that the United Kingdom, Myanmar and other countries across the world consider and accept the Thai justice system as adhering to standards of international justice. The Lawyers Council of Thailand hopes that both domestic and international media will cooperate in reporting the truth in this case in a correct manner, in a way that respects the deceased and their families and in such a way as to ensure justice for all parties to the case in accordance with everyone’s expectations. I would like to thank the media in advance for your cooperation. Mr. Nakhon Chomphuchat Koh Samui 8th July 2015 "The Lawyers Council of Thailand hopes that both domestic and international media will cooperate in reporting the truth in this case in a correct manner, in a way that respects the deceased and their families and in such a way as to ensure justice for all parties to the case in accordance with everyone’s expectations. I would like to thank the media in advance for your cooperation." That's very rich of them to say when the defense team, and their proxies, have been busy for months disseminating and encouraging all sort of speculation and rumor mongering to hold the trial "on the court of public opinion" directly in opposition with the stated wishes from the victim's families. The victims' families (correcting your apostrophe) are only one section of the injured parties in this affair, and their wishes do not in any way override the wishes of the international community, of residents in Thailand, of tourists in Thailand, current and prospective, and everybody else who wishes to see justice done -- many of whom know damn well that the process so far has been deeply flawed and that speaking out about it is the best thing to do to try to get justice done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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