Plus Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 It's a pity they couldn't get rid of Thaksin through normal means. Democracy is suspended. On the other hand, pretending to be a democracy when in fact it isn't, is not a clever move either. Thailand is, and has been a "banana republic" all along, it's Thaksin himself who declared it the first world, first rate democracy. Generals are just being honest and realistic - it's better to behave according to your nature and level of development that pretend to be something you are not. Overall, good move, but sad it was the only choice left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdenner Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Well done Jai Dee, see you got my point. My UBC has been out all morning "No Signal" Me only or is this a result of the coup take over of some TV stations? Mine is also out. I have two accounts (2 separate satellite dishes), and both are out. Perhaps the others have UBC via cable, but transmissions from Thai Com seem to be blocked (at least as it relates to UBC). Well, I'm getting full coverage from the BBC on my PSI system so what are the coup leaders trying to achieve by only blocking a percentage of the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukamar Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 A less dramatic, and more probable, scenario would have HM the King speak with the leaders of the coup, have them lay down their arms, and allow the PM to regain control. Yes that would be the appropriate action in a democracy, but it won't happen. Thaksin could not be badgered out, defiantly could not be voted out, so it didn't leave a lot of choices. If you wanted the Government out you had to use force, rather than democracy. I'm really sad for the Thai people, who didn't need more turmoil with all the divisiveness in the country over the last months. This action is a huge step backward for the democratic process in Thailand. Whether you like Thaksin or not he didn't take over power under the mask of darkness with Tanks, but by the ballot box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udon Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 "A counter coup would certainly involve discharging of weapons in Bangkok."A less dramatic, and more probable, scenario would have HM the King speak with the leaders of the coup, have them lay down their arms, and allow the PM to regain control. Very, very, unlikely this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo the Face Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 A less dramatic, and more probable, scenario would have HM the King speak with the leaders of the coup, have them lay down their arms, and allow the PM to regain control. Yes that would be the appropriate action in a democracy, but it won't happen. Thaksin could not be badgered out, defiantly could not be voted out, so it didn't leave a lot of choices. If you wanted the Government out you had to use force, rather than democracy. I'm really sad for the Thai people, who didn't need more turmoil with all the divisiveness in the country over the last months. This action is a huge step backward for the democratic process in Thailand. Whether you like Thaksin or not he didn't take over power under the mask of darkness with Tanks, but by the ballot box. Yes , correct the ballot box that was pre bought by u no hoo.... are you the only one who was not aware in reality of the vote buying,,,,,, he who has the most money to buy votes wins. but we can't talk about that because it has been decreed that it does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Wrong as usual, lukamar. His Majesty The King is meeting with the Heads of Army, Navy, and Air Force as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwilliam Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Just in:Thaksin cancels UN speech Great opportunity for him to keep his mouth shut,unusual for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sing_Sling Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I'm often asked why I live in Singapore and not in Thailand . . . my business is in Thailand, I have a house near Krabi, etc . . . Let's hope that this will create a clean slate, as is planned, and a new and cleaner direction is set for the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuchok Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I'm often asked why I live in Singapore and not in Thailand . . . my business is in Thailand, I have a house near Krabi, etc . . . Because it is a banana republic, that's why. Let's hope that this will create a clean slate, as is planned, and a new and cleaner direction is set for the country. Don't hold your breath.A new goverment is likely to be just as bad as the old one.......Let's hope it's not worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 The Nation: A spokesman announced on TV pool that Gen Sonthi Boonyaratglin, the head of the Administrative Reform Council will make a statement at 9 am. All will be revealed at 9 am... or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxm88 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 At least it has taken PCN and Pattaya People News of the air for a day.. Sadly, these 2 ridiculous channels never stopped broadcasting. Surreal to catch glimpses of tanks on the web while listening to Pattaya People News' cheery reports on City Hall's new fleet of motorcycles or Tony welcoming you to his world for the Nth time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukamar Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Yes , correct the ballot box that was pre bought by u no hoo.... are you the only one who was not aware in reality of the vote buying,,,,,, All the parties buy votes and have for ever, possibly you were not aware of that, I've even made posts on TVisa about the buying process and how my Mother in Law got her new glasses buy playing the Democrats against the TRT. Vote buying is defiantly not the same as taking over the country at gunpoint, at least the voters that were paid had a choice to do as they pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovenman Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 The Nation: A spokesman announced on TV pool that Gen Sonthi Boonyaratglin, the head of the Administrative Reform Council will make a statement at 9 am. All will be revealed at 9 am... I wonder whether the new powers-that-be will restore the UBC signal so that the antenna-less amongst us may be privy to this great unveiling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logbags Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Well it's about time. Even the army and top brass have a limit to the bullshit they were going to take from someone like Thaksin. Unfortunately it seems Thaksin has been given the green light to leave with his swag of ill-gotten loot which is very unfortunate. I would have preferred to have seen a Mussolini style lynching with him and Pojaman hanging upside down in front of Parliament. The good news is it will hopefully keep the hordes of Italians at home instead of invading Phuket this Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyushin Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thank you Commander Sondhi and the DRC You have my full support to restore the country back to a real Thai democracy. Bye Doc Tox! Happy hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 The normal programming hasn't resumed at 8.10 as promised but there are announcements of a 9AM public address every two minutes. CNN and other news channels are still off UBC, HBO is on as usual. All the parties buy votes and have for ever That's why no one really cares about the election results if the country gets screwed, and Generals went right to the source. I wish they could have managed to oust him "democratically", but as all parties by votes, democracy it's not on the menu, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Public Warning Speculation and discussion about HRH The King and Thai Royalty is against the Forum Rules. Information of this nature shall be limited to news bulletins content only. Thanks for your understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatfarmer Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 The normal programming hasn't resumed at 8.10 as promised but there are announcements of a 9AM public address every two minutes. Cany anyone recommend a website with live tv coverage of the said announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Clifton Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 For those without coverage, you may want to try one of these. http://www.worldtvpc.com/live/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwat nueng Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Well, if these fools are going to mess up their contry so be it. But, I want my damm UBC NOW!!! My UBC works only thing I cant get is Thai TV and news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourbaht Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Opposition Senator Mechai Viravaidya welcomed Mr Thaksin's departure, despite doubts about the methods used. "I'm delighted he's gone," he said. "It would have been great if he had resigned voluntarily, but apparently he was too stubborn. But at least it's better than an assassination." The BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I would think this is good news for Monson's appeals, as the courts may now have a more open mind about issues relating to the former PM. In addition, information relating to the fomer PM's offshore financial dealings may become clearer. Other issues as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaising Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Curtain closed Timed out for Thaksin and cronies. Let’s see what their next move is. Didn't I told and warns you of your evil deed. Here is the outcome of your undoing. Som Nam Na. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john b good Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Interesting that there is so much goodwill for an sacked military strongmen with utterly disregard for democracy. Sonti did not receieved one vote, I would say. Let's hope that these so called reformist, and loyalists will eventually be brought to justice. it is a crime against the people of thailand overthrowing an democartically elected government. the fact that they act weeks before an election show their rel ill intentions Interesting that a democratically elected government has spent the past few years being anything but democratic.Becoming the only real party in an election run is hardly democratic. TRT has forced the hands of some to take the only possible measures to avoid another corrupt landslide election. It may be the best thing to have happened and IMHO if it's not a Thaksin ploy then I hope they freeze his assets and take back everything he has "stolen" through his dodgy dealings and business. Som nam na My sentiments entirely. He bought his way into power. The April 2006 elections were far from democratic. Anyone who believes they were lives in cuckoo land. "som nam naa indeed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lung Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 "short history" Coup as it unfolds The Nation monitors the events that led to the coup as well as events after it as following: Sept 19 8.00 am Thaksin Shinawatra calls an urgent teleconference with all armed forces' commanders at Government House, but none attends. Gen Sonthi Boonyaratkarin, the army chief, later says the meeting is hastily called. Rumor then spread around the capital and the stock market that a coup de tat is under way. 12.00 am After finishing the webcamera teleconference with Thaksin, who is New York, several Cabinet members check with reporters if there would really be a coup. 6.30 pm The Army's special forces from Lopburi move into Bangkok. Gen Prem Tinnasulalonda, president of Privy Council, has an audience with HM the King, reportedly on a meritmaking ceremony for ML Bau Kittiyakala. 6.55 pm Thai News Agency reports that Thaksin will return to Bangkok on Thursday, instead of Friday. 8.00 pm 191 police receive M16 rifles to prepare for an antiriot assignment. 9.00 pm The Army'[s special forces from Lopburi arrive at the Army's Bangkok headquarters. Web surfers post messages on Pantip.com asking if there is a coup de tat. 9.10 pm The armyowned TV Channel 5's mobile TV broadcast unit arrives at the Army's Bangkok headquarters. 9.30 pm TV channel 5 cancels regular programming and puts on air royallyauthored songs. Reporters at Government House say situation is normal, but rumour was rife that deputy premier Pol Gen Chidchai Vanasatit and defence minister Gen Thammarak Isarangkun have been under custody. Panthongthae, Thaksin's son, reportedly has left Thailand for the UK. 9.40 pm Police commandos arrive Baan Chansongra, Thaksin's residence. 10.00 pm Army tanks take position at Bangkok Makkawan Rangsan Bridge and Rajdamnern Avenue. 10.10 pm CNN reports Bangkok situation 10.20pm Thaksin declares a state of emergency via the phone from New York. He also issues two orders, transferring en Sondhi from the post of army chief to the PM's Office, and naming Gen Rungroj Mahasaranond as the officer in charge of the crisis. 11pm "The Administrative Reform Council" (ARC) issues a first statement on TV network, saying the armed forces and national police have peacefully seized control of Bangkok and surrounding areas. Soldier seize the Shinawatra Building, iTV television stationand Thaksin's residence. 11.15pm Soldiers put steel barricades at Sri Ayudha and Rajdamnoen Roads 11.50pm ARC issues the second statement explaining the reasons for the coup d'etat, citing national disunity and rampant corruption. ARC says it plans to return power quickly to the people 12.39am ARC issues third statement, nullifying the constitution, the caretaker Cabinet and the Constitutional Court. 8:00 am ARC spokesman announces Gen Sonthi will make announcement on TVs at 9 am. The spokesman also announces that TV stations can resume their normal programmes but most continue to relay signals from Channel 5 except iTV, which briefly airs its morning news programme. 8:50 am: Permanent officials and rectors of universities start arriving at the Army headquarters to report themselves to the ARC. Khunying Jaruvan Mainthaka, the auditor-general, flashes a thumb-up to reporters. 9:16 am Sonthi holds a press conference. The first part of his statement is similar to the first statement of the ARC. He says the ARC has to seize power to solve the country's problems caused by the Thaksin admnistration. Sonthi appears on TV along with the police chief and commanders of other armed forces in the four-minute announcement. After Sonthi finishes reading the statement, a spokeswoman announces that the TV pool is disbanded and TV stations resume normal programmes. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Mustard Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thank you Commander Sondhi and the DRC You have my full support to restore the country back to a real Thai democracy. But will they? Often when people get a taste for power, they are more than a little reluctant to relinquish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thai politicians never learn. The army is very powerful and has stepped in several times in the past. I am not surprised at all that they have acted to oust Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbojumbo Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 This is a great day in Thailand's history, and when there is an elected government back in power, there first act should be to declair Sept. 20 a puplic holiday- Thaksin Liberation Day. Bars can stay open to commemerate this great day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Mustard Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thai politicians never learn.The army is very powerful and has stepped in several times in the past. I am not surprised at all that they have acted to oust Thaksin. That's why there'll never be true democracy in Thailand until that changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teko Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Interesting that there is so much goodwill for an sacked military strongmen with utterly disregard for democracy. Sonti did not receieved one vote, I would say. Let's hope that these so called reformist, and loyalists will eventually be brought to justice. it is a crime against the people of thailand overthrowing an democartically elected government. the fact that they act weeks before an election show their rel ill intentions Geeeez mate the writings on the wall, the people had enough of the corrupt, thieving pig............and he's oughta here with all his wealth....it's a peoples coup and about bloody time.........nice timing I must admit, just before he was about o address the UN.......big loss of face or what ***edited by sbk*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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