srl1 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 i'm a farang and i would like to help and work with the buddhists in a buddhist temple but i wont cut my hair, so i can't be a monk right? can i be a novice with my long hair? and accepted in a temple working with buddhists monks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why the obsession with being a Buddhist monk? Why not just offer your volunteer services as a layperson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit_Doggie Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 seeking shelter huh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why the obsession with being a Buddhist monk? Why not just offer your volunteer services as a layperson? More to the point OP doesn't sound like he has the correct frame of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 Why the obsession with being a Buddhist monk? Why not just offer your volunteer services as a layperson? is simple we kill the batman i want to be barefoot and monks go barefoottt but also my religion is similar to buddhism seeking shelter huh ? not so much, seeking going barefoot p.d. dont call me a troll for "we kill the batman thing", it was for fun as "is simple" remind me of the joker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Sounds like your karma is more attuned to being a Hindu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 Why the obsession with being a Buddhist monk? Why not just offer your volunteer services as a layperson? More to the point OP doesn't sound like he has the correct frame of mind. what do you mean simple1? i dont have the correct frame of mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 Sounds like your karma is more attuned to being a Hindu... im a taoist actually, but some hindu things specially tantric have similar and same things so im in part a hindu also, and part a crhistian and jew nazarite i never eat grapes because of kosher lol now that you mention im afraid of karma and going barefoot, as i fear people would hate me for their intolerance and not keep my karma high that could sound funny for Thais because they tend to be tolerant, but try in some countries to go barefoot everyday in everyplace for many many years as i plan to youll see how much intolerance the sheep will have against you and how much hate you will raise specially in the middle east, but in europe and eeuu its pretty rejected, only new zewland, australia, south africa in the past, solomon islands, india kind of and thailand kind of are as i know barefoot tolerance probably there are more, specially the kind of tolerance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Why the obsession with being a Buddhist monk? Why not just offer your volunteer services as a layperson? More to the point OP doesn't sound like he has the correct frame of mind. but he provided for a short time some amusement. now he is just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCor Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 If this is only about going barefoot, then your stated motives for assisting in a Buddhist Temple are less than honorable. You make if sound as if you wish to pretend to be a Buddhist Monk without accepting the precepts or accepting the cultural rituals involved. While you can assist as a Layperson, or even practice as a Novice or an Aspirant to become a monk, none of these will give you carte-blanch license to enter any establishment dressed as you like (unless you are accompanying an actual monk as their personal assistant -- but then you go where the monk goes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 If your hair is that important to you.... You are not ready. Do you know much about the life of a monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Actually monks do not usually go barefoot here. And no, you cannot be one, even a novice, without cutting your hair nor without convincing an abbott of your sincere interest in Buddhist teachnings, which seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 If your hair is that important to you.... You are not ready. Do you know much about the life of a monk? im ready, im not ready for stupid dogma BUDDHA is oftenly depicted with HAIR ISNT IT? i respect that monks cut their hair, but that must cut your hair? its just dogma, jews keep their hair long as to they teach reach obtain higuer levels of conciousness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 If this is only about going barefoot, then your stated motives for assisting in a Buddhist Temple are less than honorable. You make if sound as if you wish to pretend to be a Buddhist Monk without accepting the precepts or accepting the cultural rituals involved. While you can assist as a Layperson, or even practice as a Novice or an Aspirant to become a monk, none of these will give you carte-blanch license to enter any establishment dressed as you like (unless you are accompanying an actual monk as their personal assistant -- but then you go where the monk goes). thats true its not honorable you are right no i mean i would accept them, only the hair monk personal assistant? thats seems interesting, thank you RichCor you helped me bro Actually monks do not usually go barefoot here. And no, you cannot be one, even a novice, without cutting your hair nor without convincing an abbott of your sincere interest in Buddhist teachnings, which seems unlikely. many they do Sheryl (beautiful name) thats what i thought thanks (about the hair) i do meditate 7 hours per day, for taoism, which is similar to buddhism in many things isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Seems you want too many things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 i want to go barefoot like them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit_Doggie Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Seems to read that i have no income no valid visa, place to stay and seek refuge in a budhist establishment but won'have my hair cut to actually say that i want to be a monk, no way mr try another country and religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucenkhamen Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 i want to go barefoot like them Then just take off your shoes. I don't see why bare-footed is desirable but bare-headed is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 im a taoist actually, but some hindu things specially tantric have similar and same things so im in part a hindu also, and part a crhistian and jew nazaritei never eat grapes because of kosher lol And either extremely confused, or a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentRJ Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 i want to go barefoot like them Then just take off your shoes. I don't see why bare-footed is desirable but bare-headed is not. Bare-footed is completely natural. It requires no effort, no resources, no money for shoes, and no wasted time putting the shoes on and taking them off. They are unnecessary possessions. Shaving one's head, on the other hand, does require an effort and some resources. It's an additional and unnecessary concern. However, during the times of the Buddha, and for many years later, there would have been a good practical reason for a monk, or a wandering ascetic living in the forest, to shave his head.... to avoid getting lice. The great Bodhisattva, Manjushri, who is claimed to have raised the hill on which the 'monkey temple' of Swayambhunath was built in Kathmandu, supposedly did not shave his head. It is claimed that the monkeys that now swarm over the temple on a regular basis, are reincarnations of Manjushri's head lice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 i want to go barefoot like them Then just take off your shoes. I don't see why bare-footed is desirable but bare-headed is not. Bare-footed is completely natural. It requires no effort, no resources, no money for shoes, and no wasted time putting the shoes on and taking them off. They are unnecessary possessions. Shaving one's head, on the other hand, does require an effort and some resources. It's an additional and unnecessary concern. However, during the times of the Buddha, and for many years later, there would have been a good practical reason for a monk, or a wandering ascetic living in the forest, to shave his head.... to avoid getting lice. The great Bodhisattva, Manjushri, who is claimed to have raised the hill on which the 'monkey temple' of Swayambhunath was built in Kathmandu, supposedly did not shave his head. It is claimed that the monkeys that now swarm over the temple on a regular basis, are reincarnations of Manjushri's head lice. I believe shaving the head has a lot to do with giving up your obsession with "self". How you look and individualism has little place in Buddhism. Once you free yourself from concerns about how you look compared to others, your actions, thoughts, and purpose are available open to a less self centered purpose. I believe this is also why most armed forces start training recruits by shaving their heads. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentRJ Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 i want to go barefoot like them Then just take off your shoes. I don't see why bare-footed is desirable but bare-headed is not. Bare-footed is completely natural. It requires no effort, no resources, no money for shoes, and no wasted time putting the shoes on and taking them off. They are unnecessary possessions. Shaving one's head, on the other hand, does require an effort and some resources. It's an additional and unnecessary concern. However, during the times of the Buddha, and for many years later, there would have been a good practical reason for a monk, or a wandering ascetic living in the forest, to shave his head.... to avoid getting lice. The great Bodhisattva, Manjushri, who is claimed to have raised the hill on which the 'monkey temple' of Swayambhunath was built in Kathmandu, supposedly did not shave his head. It is claimed that the monkeys that now swarm over the temple on a regular basis, are reincarnations of Manjushri's head lice. I believe shaving the head has a lot to do with giving up your obsession with "self". How you look and individualism has little place in Buddhism. Once you free yourself from concerns about how you look compared to others, your actions, thoughts, and purpose are available open to a less self centered purpose. I believe this is also why most armed forces start training recruits by shaving their heads. . That's the typical explanation that is offered. However, if you think about it, such an explanation makes no sense in a modern environment with the availability of soap and water. Shaving the face is something that most men do every day in order to look nice and appeal to the opposit sex. Not shaving at all, or very rarely having a beard-trim and a haircut, is more indicative of a lack of concern about one's appearance. One could cite instances of individuals who might deliberately refrain from shaving and cutting their hair, in order to 'stand out' and look different in an extreme way, with a beard reaching down to their waist. That could be considered an issue of ego, which would be against Buddhist principles. However, there are also instances of the opposite being the case, that is, people shaving both head and face as a personal trademark, like the actor Yul Brynner. I'd say in general, and from personal experience, that a reluctance to shave face and head, and a reluctance to even have a haircut at all, is suggestive of a lack of vanity and is quite in accord with true Buddhist principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Brit_Doggie funny brit doggie how you seemed to support me in the beginning until i said "didnt understood that" you get mad get out of the pm conversation, deleted the message in the post, and no, just because i can quote it copy paste i cant understand it did it hurt your feelings or something? jesus christ i was friendly and appreciated your comment didnt understood because my english is not perfect i hope its not agressive passive behaviour now, well i dont give a if it actually is as i suppose changing for supporting to "no way mr try another country and religion" seriously? dont expect me to quote you more Brucenkhamen yes i respect the ones who save, either for aesthethics or for monks, but i dont respect that you must faraday no, i share the common connections and similatiries those religions have but you are the first i see knowing the true meaning of internet troll VincentRJ we are designed from nature to be resistant to lice, lice is no real problem thanks for the info of Bodhisattva, Manjushri willyumiii maybe, but buddha didnt shave his head and didnt believe in that HAHAHA!! nor jesus, nor the intelligent jews arm forces i believe do it in a sign of domination, but i really shouldnt be talking about it VincentRJ is more indicative of a lack of concern about one's appearance. oh Vincent so girls have a lack of concern about ones appereance?? oh you illuminated me with that info thats true, those dirty girls who never shave their heads or cut their hairs omg shame on them!!! or those girls with hair till the waist who wnat to STAND OUT or be different in a extreme way such egos i agree with your last quote having short hair is a cultural thing, men cut their hair for tradition, girls have long hair for tradition, jews have long hair for intelligence and because they are great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 also to all of you, im a jew nazarite and im forbidden to cut my hair but u just in dogma, look HAIR HAIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy jesus omg i often ask myself if i like slipknot in a song say, "the only motherf*cker with a brain" jesus and i have a superdotation in mathemathics but this is simple logic isnt it? you dont need a superdotation to realise buddha is depicted almost always with HAIRRR, even LONG hair people urgh, i who have the power to illuminate people shall be the shepherd of the pure and innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srl1 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 That's the typical explanation that is offered. However, if you think about it, such an explanation makes no sense in a modern environment with the availability of soap and water. Shaving the face is something that most men do every day in order to look nice and appeal to the opposit sex. Not shaving at all, or very rarely having a beard-trim and a haircut, is more indicative of a lack of concern about one's appearance. One could cite instances of individuals who might deliberately refrain from shaving and cutting their hair, in order to 'stand out' and look different in an extreme way, with a beard reaching down to their waist. That could be considered an issue of ego, which would be against Buddhist principles. However, there are also instances of the opposite being the case, that is, people shaving both head and face as a personal trademark, like the actor Yul Brynner. I'd say in general, and from personal experience, that a reluctance to shave face and head, and a reluctance to even have a haircut at all, is suggestive of a lack of vanity and is quite in accord with true Buddhist principles. i think i didnt understood you well and i said bullshit in the other post i thought you said all men who do not shave their heads are indicative of a lack of concern, i didnt understood that you was saying many men as you are right i dunno what happenned to me o.O haha shame on me i was saying mostly we are designed to have long hair, as women, and should be a normal thing, the intelligent knoww and keeps large and its said its required for achieving higuer counciousness os something like that, by jews also its said that have other many benefits i think its a conspiracy to cut it in men also i think men look fuglier with short hair, analogous to emma watson look fuglier with short hair and men look beautiful in long hair, like roman reigns also its logical that it has a purpose, being the only animals our hair grows so much must be a reason its logic also in reality whats for men and whats for women its just culture, we should really be accepted as to go naked in streets as that is our anatomy and people get offended by their own anatomy wearing a skirt is neutral, is not a womens thing, its just cultural makeup is used by women but in reality is not a women thing just a piece of matter added to the face painting nails etc im only saying this out of shame of what i said in the post, sorry lack of concern to not shave, many people are like that indeed except the intelligent, girls love long hair in themselves and men should to if not for brainwash tradition and should be not by so many to stand out and being a extreme thing but a normal thing according to nature i did not understood well, shame on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 OK, enough I think. Our OP has plenty of other topics running regarding his desire to wander around without footwear. Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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