localczar Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, muzmurray said: Wow, losing one's religious beliefs because of failing a P2 maths exam - that's harsh. :-) face....tubesteak (but you knew that, right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 10/2/2015 at 6:02 AM, lostoday said: For all you experts. Finland is in the top 1 to 5 education systems in the world. Finland does not give their kids standardized tests. It is not mandatory to give students grades until they are in the 8th grade. Finnish schools don't assign homework, because it is assumed that mastery is attained in the classroom. http://www.thedailyriff.com/articles/the-finland-phenomenon-inside-the-worlds-most-surprising-school-system-588.php Top Education systems South Korea Japan Singapore Hong Kong Finland http://www.edudemic.com/learning-curve-report-education/ I read some of your posts. I'm sort of out of the education game here but what you're saying makes a ton of sense to me. If I think about why children were historically given tons of homework, it's more about adults and the fact that they want their kids occupied. Same with school hours, keep them there as long as possible. I think as a society we're very good at sort of masking the actual truth as to why certain policies come about. Rationalize them even: oh yes they really do need all that homework. Kids just get sick to death of school. I believe starting later, leaving earlier, less homework, less grade pressure would all produce better education systems. Yet unfortunately that's not what is important to us, even though we tell ourselves otherwise. I am speaking about the US here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 2/16/2017 at 10:43 AM, manarak said: this one: " The truth is that it is aimed to ensure that only the currently wealthy or the incredibly lucky acquire the decreasing number of necessarily qualified occupations due to computerization and automation. " Please note that I 90% agree with what you say on the effects, but I do not agree that such effects are the deliberate goals of a planned policy by the elites (3 necessary elements). I rather think such effects are the natural consequence of a failing system, where dumbing down is the only solution seen by egalitarists to ease things for both students and teachers. It's the same as the effects of high taxes in France and other countries - they were thought to redistribute wealth, but the effect was to increase wealth disparities. As you say: the effects of high taxes were thought to redistribute wealth but.... An applied policy. The policy applied overall to standards in education uses a similar application. The rhetoric of justification exactly the same. As with many tax "reforms" the advantage almost invariably favours the wealthy. The problem with the "effect" in the question of education is that it ignores the greater problem of what is happening to the redundant generation. A common converse comment puts the cause on the uneducated as if it is self inflicted ! When it comes to left or right it generally the same because it is on political party affiliation rather than policy differentiation which mostly cites "human rights " or other wholistic "social inclusions" as justification rather than agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I agree wholeheartedly: pronunciation is the hardest part to get right for me I speak with RP pronunciation (Oxford English), but I had to change one aspect of my pronunciation concerning the 'bath' set. I was brought up to say 'barth' and 'glarss' etc. That sometimes causes confusion with my students who all seem to have been taught to say 'bath' and 'glass'. So for my younger students, I 'force' myself not to say 'barth', and for my older students, I don't change my pronunciation, but explain the 'bath' set to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 5 hours ago, simon43 said: I speak with RP pronunciation (Oxford English), but I had to change one aspect of my pronunciation concerning the 'bath' set. I was brought up to say 'barth' and 'glarss' etc. That sometimes causes confusion with my students who all seem to have been taught to say 'bath' and 'glass'. So for my younger students, I 'force' myself not to say 'barth', and for my older students, I don't change my pronunciation, but explain the 'bath' set to them! I think I understand your comment. How do you cope with bathe? And what will you do with bark , barque or Bach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 How do you cope with bathe? And what will you do with bark , barque or Bach? I do fine :) Those words are not part of the 'bath' set. https://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/regional-voices/phonological-variation/bathset-friends/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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