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Of course they have restrictions. It is regulated. But not on some miserable sods whim.

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Not true then?

What exactly are you claiming?

That “grown up” countries have no restrictions on where alcohol can be sold, at what time of day it can be sold, and to whom it can be sold?

Because if that is your claim, then please let us know which countries you consider “grown up”, because all the developed societies that I am familiar with do regulate alcohol sale.

No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations. However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do you?

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What would stop any bar from stopping all sales of alcohol at midnight and continuing to stay open until they wanted to close (assuming they would keep the noise down, if that's the law)? Think of it as going to a dance -- for a while in the beginning you dance to loud, frenetic sounds and then at the end, you have slow dances (more romantic as well).

Does the law specifically state that establishments that sell alcohol have to close at midnight or that sales of alcohol must cease?

I don't know if it would be economically feasible to stay open without the sales of alcohol, but it might be.

Of course, serious partiers start sober and get drunker as the night progresses and stopping drinking and rictoring down the buzz might be anathema to the whole thing, but it might be better than going home.

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The British rule of waiting until the sun goes down seems to rule Asia

I must have been applying the wrong rule all these years then: first tipple after the sun is over the yardarm. burp.gif

first tipple after the sun is over the yardarm, anywhere in the Empire! (I'll drink to that)

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The British rule of waiting until the sun goes down seems to rule Asia

I must have been applying the wrong rule all these years then: first tipple after the sun is over the yardarm. burp.gif

first tipple after the sun is over the yardarm, anywhere in the Empire! (I'll drink to that)

Must be getting pretty dry out there then.whistling.gif

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What would stop any bar from stopping all sales of alcohol at midnight and continuing to stay open until they wanted to close (assuming they would keep the noise down, if that's the law)? Think of it as going to a dance -- for a while in the beginning you dance to loud, frenetic sounds and then at the end, you have slow dances (more romantic as well).

Does the law specifically state that establishments that sell alcohol have to close at midnight or that sales of alcohol must cease?

I don't know if it would be economically feasible to stay open without the sales of alcohol, but it might be.

Of course, serious partiers start sober and get drunker as the night progresses and stopping drinking and rictoring down the buzz might be anathema to the whole thing, but it might be better than going home.

"What would stop any bar from stopping all sales of alcohol at midnight and continuing to stay open until they wanted to close (assuming they would keep the noise down, if that's the law)?"

Short answer, the police. They're driving around before midnight to show themselves then again after midnight to make sure the places are closed. Remember TIT--it doesn't matter what the law is, what matters is how the police choose to enforce their interpretation of the law (the ones they choose to enforce).

However if the police chose to allow bars to stay open without making sales, why would the bar owner's want to do this?

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

"Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco."

Did you try looking in cities outside of Utah?

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

"Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco."

Did you try looking in cities outside of Utah?

The state of Utah is the last place to go for a drink. Most of the west is 2 am closing and yes its enforced.

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Of course they have restrictions. It is regulated. But not on some miserable sods whim.

what country has a miserable sod saying when to close. Here in Thailand we have laws that say when to close. Care to name the country with no laws just a miserable sod making the decisions.

Thai bashing in a sneaky way again I see.

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

Lol, you are kidding yourself if you think most western bars close at 12 am, like seriously, in most of western countries, it close at 4 am, I couldn't care more about disco bars, but if its 3am and you are looking for some action in whatever western area, you will find some, I have a hard time finding anything past 11 pm in chiang mai.

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Of course they have restrictions. It is regulated. But not on some miserable sods whim.

what country has a miserable sod saying when to close. Here in Thailand we have laws that say when to close. Care to name the country with no laws just a miserable sod making the decisions.

Thai bashing in a sneaky way again I see.

You mean the law that says its midnight in Chiang Mai ??

Or the law that says its 1am in Bangkok ??

Or the law that says its 2am in Phuket (clubs later) ??

Or the law that says 3 or 4am in Pattaya ??

Or the law that said it was 2am last year ??

Which law are you claiming is so accurately followed.. Or is it actually simply down to local enforcement and only having a vague tenious relationship with any law

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

"Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco."

Did you try looking in cities outside of Utah?

The state of Utah is the last place to go for a drink. Most of the west is 2 am closing and yes its enforced.

My information is definitely not current (I don't get out like I used to) but I understand that cities like New York, New Orleans, Las Vegas, and others are all night long places. It varies by country in Europe, but Madrid fifteen years ago was definitely all night. I'm sure other people can provide many other examples.

Closing times vary a great deal across the world. The problem here is arbitrary changes in closing times, which is bad for businesses and tourism.

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Nothing to contribute as such but I am perversely amused that the topic "bars closing at 12 am" is for the momment immediaetly followed by "happy sausage suprise in chiang mai"......it is good to see that some things have not changed for those that would be happy that sausage is still out and about as usual in the dark recesses of Loi Kroh after midnight. smile.png. Last drinks gentlemen...bottoms up.

edit...bugger (the exclamation noun not active verb) by posting I ruined it.

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Of course they have restrictions. It is regulated. But not on some miserable sods whim.

what country has a miserable sod saying when to close. Here in Thailand we have laws that say when to close. Care to name the country with no laws just a miserable sod making the decisions.

Thai bashing in a sneaky way again I see.

I am bashing an individual. There are no such restrictions in other Thai cities. Stop with the irrelevant bleating.

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