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My information is definitely not current (I don't get out like I used to) but I understand that cities like New York, New Orleans, Las Vegas, and others are all night long places. It varies by country in Europe, but Madrid fifteen years ago was definitely all night. I'm sure other people can provide many other examples.

Closing times vary a great deal across the world. The problem here is arbitrary changes in closing times, which is bad for businesses and tourism.

Your understanding is off. New York stops sells at 1 am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_New_York Las Vegas/nevada is 24-7 because of the gaming. New Orleans does party on but most other perishes close at 2 am. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States

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Of course they have restrictions. It is regulated. But not on some miserable sods whim.

what country has a miserable sod saying when to close. Here in Thailand we have laws that say when to close. Care to name the country with no laws just a miserable sod making the decisions.

Thai bashing in a sneaky way again I see.

I am bashing an individual. There are no such restrictions in other Thai cities. Stop with the irrelevant bleating.

There are restrictions in other Thai cities you just don't want to see them . I'm not talking about the tourist traps of Sin City , BK and Phuket. Every town in Isann knocks it on the head by 1 am and most by 12 midnight and were talking about cities of 250,000 population with serious farang influence.

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Of course they have restrictions. It is regulated. But not on some miserable sods whim.

what country has a miserable sod saying when to close. Here in Thailand we have laws that say when to close. Care to name the country with no laws just a miserable sod making the decisions.

Thai bashing in a sneaky way again I see.

I am bashing an individual. There are no such restrictions in other Thai cities. Stop with the irrelevant bleating.

There are restrictions in other Thai cities you just don't want to see them . I'm not talking about the tourist traps of Sin City , BK and Phuket. Every town in Isann knocks it on the head by 1 am and most by 12 midnight and were talking about cities of 250,000 population with serious farang influence.

No we're not, we're talking about the ar$e end of nowhere and little to do with tourism.

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My information is definitely not current (I don't get out like I used to) but I understand that cities like New York, New Orleans, Las Vegas, and others are all night long places. It varies by country in Europe, but Madrid fifteen years ago was definitely all night. I'm sure other people can provide many other examples.

Closing times vary a great deal across the world. The problem here is arbitrary changes in closing times, which is bad for businesses and tourism.

Your understanding is off. New York stops sells at 1 am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_New_York Las Vegas/nevada is 24-7 because of the gaming. New Orleans does party on but most other perishes close at 2 am. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States

Gee, and they say that New York is the city that never sleeps.

It does seem that most of the US stays open later than midnight, and there are places in Europe, generally considered part of the western world, that sell quite late.

Clearly there are places in Thailand that stay open past midnight, just like Chiang Mai used to. More than a few people are unhappy about the new closing times, and not just old drunken ex-pats and rowdy backpackers.

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I can name three maybe four Muslim countries in the GCC that allow non-Muslims to buy a drink into the early hours.

This singling out of Chiang Mai obviously has ulterior motives.

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My information is definitely not current (I don't get out like I used to) but I understand that cities like New York, New Orleans, Las Vegas, and others are all night long places. It varies by country in Europe, but Madrid fifteen years ago was definitely all night. I'm sure other people can provide many other examples.

Closing times vary a great deal across the world. The problem here is arbitrary changes in closing times, which is bad for businesses and tourism.

Your understanding is off. New York stops sells at 1 am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_New_York Las Vegas/nevada is 24-7 because of the gaming. New Orleans does party on but most other perishes close at 2 am. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States

Gee, and they say that New York is the city that never sleeps.

It does seem that most of the US stays open later than midnight, and there are places in Europe, generally considered part of the western world, that sell quite late.

Clearly there are places in Thailand that stay open past midnight, just like Chiang Mai used to. More than a few people are unhappy about the new closing times, and not just old drunken ex-pats and rowdy backpackers.

Further into the wiki page..I knew NYC Bars rock on to 4AM, as well as certain upstate areas.

"In New York, for the purposes of state law, there are only four hours out of each day of the week (with the exception of Sunday) in which alcohol may not be served: 4:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. This was designed to accommodate New York City nightlife as well as late night workers statewide in general. Some upstate areas such as Buffalo, Albany, and Saratoga Springs retain the 4am closing time although individual counties are free to set an earlier "last call." In Binghamton, this is at 3:00 a.m., in Syracuse, Plattsburgh, Oneonta, and Rochester, bars close at 2:00 a.m., and Elmira, Geneva, and Ithaca, have some of the earliest closing times in the state at 1 a.m. Alcohol may not be served before 12 Noon on Sunday. For a complete list of closing hours by county, see" -wikipedia

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I used to drink all hours in a bar in London's theatre district in the 80's. It was specifically exempted to serve those working in the shows.

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However if the police chose to allow bars to stay open without making sales, why would the bar owner's want to do this?

I mean selling non-alcoholic drinks, buying lady's drinks of the same ilk and so on. Maybe the sales would not be as good, but the mark-up on sodas is much greater than that of beer and wine.

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I went to Spicy for the first time in a long time last night.

The police came and ordered everyone out maybe around 12:30?

Of course, the drunk backpackers were having none of this and refused to leave. The music ended and then they started chanting and kept the partying going.

I don't like it, but to mess with the police in a foreign country is a VERY stupid and dumb thing to do. Some people will never learn.

Anyway, I thought maybe Spicy would close around 1:30, but nope.

I saw some pretty girls on motorbikes come along after they closed..... seems not only the bars will go out of business soon... if u know what I mean wink.png

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

Agree. It's getting tiresome listening to these foreigners whining/whinging about how Thais run their country when things back home aren't much different. It's simple...if things are so much better elsewhere, they should freakin go there. I have no problem at all with bars shutting down at midnight. If you can't do all you need to do before midnight, tough!

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Agree. It's getting tiresome listening to these foreigners whining/whinging about how Thais run their country when things back home aren't much different. It's simple...if things are so much better elsewhere, they should freakin go there. I have no problem at all with bars shutting down at midnight. If you can't do all you need to do before midnight, tough!

I know, right? The audacity of people discussing their viewpoints in an online discussion forum.....wait, what?

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although Im sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

Agree. It's getting tiresome listening to these foreigners whining/whinging about how Thais run their country when things back home aren't much different. It's simple...if things are so much better elsewhere, they should freakin go there. I have no problem at all with bars shutting down at midnight. If you can't do all you need to do before midnight, tough!

Well you are right about it being foreigners complaining but if you read through the posts you will notice they are locals doing the complaining and not tourists. The tourism is getting so big they are extending the hours at the airport to accommodate them. Personally I don't care if they close them all down or open them all up 24 hours a day. It will be a cold day in hell when a bar hours mean as much to me as it does to very few. Bottom line is there is not many people complaining here about them.

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Agree. It's getting tiresome listening to these foreigners whining/whinging about how Thais run their country when things back home aren't much different. It's simple...if things are so much better elsewhere, they should freakin go there. I have no problem at all with bars shutting down at midnight. If you can't do all you need to do before midnight, tough!

I know, right? The audacity of people discussing their viewpoints in an online discussion forum.....wait, what?

Wait a minute, are you chastising me for giving MY viewpoint?? Sorry, but where I come from, it's perfectly acceptable to express oneself, e.g., complain about the complainers. Unless you have issues with freedom of speech.

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No-one said that grown up countries don't have any regulations.

However, most developed countries allow the sale of alcohol after midnight, which is what the topic is about. I can't think of any that don't, do

you?

What was said was that “If a business wants to sell late, early or both, it should be allowed to”, that is pretty close to no regulations.

For the exact regulations, maybe midnight is early, but in most Western cities with a population similar to Chiang Mai, I cannot find a bar with outdoor serving, live music, and open until midnight on every single day of the week, but I can find that easily in Chiang Mai.

Even in larger Western cities, it can be a challenge to find a place that is open past midnight on weeknights, even harder to find a disco.

So Chiang Mai is not really more restrictive than your typical Western city with a population of 2-300k people. The main difference seems to be that some venues are able to ignore the rules for longer periods, making expats think that this is how things should be, rather than be concerned about a system where rules are not the same for everyone (although I’m sure there exists different licenses for bars/discos, as there also do in the West).

Agree. It's getting tiresome listening to these foreigners whining/whinging about how Thais run their country when things back home aren't much different. It's simple...if things are so much better elsewhere, they should freakin go there. I have no problem at all with bars shutting down at midnight. If you can't do all you need to do before midnight, tough!

Firstly.. I dont know where you come from, but it IS much different.. Nightclubs elsewhere go on far later.. And as is being pointed out many times.. Nightclubs in Thailand go on far later. So 'how Thais run their country' isnt the issue is it ?? Its how this city is changing, not for the better.. and costing Thais economically.

Secondly, and the point is crucial enough to bear repeating.. Its a change in policy.. It isnt 'how Thais have run the country' under previous governments.. Its how an unelected Junta seem intent on punishing one specific area.. Its a change, not something thats always been that way.. Negative changes get reactions.

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