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There are a certain number of extensions to be processed in a year, and the immigration chiefs down in Bangkok don't care if everybody uses an agent, or nobody uses an agent.

So let's project forward if the present situation continues. Most aliens have yet to extend their permission to stay at the Promenada under the current conditions. As time passes, more and more people will have problems, and more and more will use G4T to make things easier. If no extra officers are assigned to process applications, and G4T customers continue to get priority, this must mean that less and less DIY applications will be processed.

So, is it possible that at some time in the future, it will not be possible to make an application unless you use an agent. If that happens then the early morning queue will still be there every day, except that people will be queuing to use the G4T services (maybe even other agents will be forced to use G4T).

No difference to the immigration chiefs, the same number of applications will be processed as before.

If that happens, then it will not be long before the charge for the service increases, and your "choice to use an agent" disappears.

Naturally, I hope this never happens, but it is a possibility.

Well there is no where near the number using G4t that people think. How ever believe what you will.

Can you explain to me how if they do 4 in 20 minutes it is harming the system when in all likely hood it would take ball park hour and a half for the people to do it them selves?

I and I can only speak for myself am more concerned with getting the people through the system faster. I am pretty sure there are others but it is obvious to me that some are more concerned with money and who makes it. I live in Thailand and fighting the system that they have been using for centuries is not high on my list of things to do.I really don't care about who makes money. That is why I have so often asked how many they do process a day only to have only one answer for the one day he was there. As any one who has done them before knows some days they go quick and other days they drag with the incomplete paper work people bring in.

By the way the day I did mine it was around 2:00 in the Afternoon and they had the queue card 15 on the desk. Another ball park figure to use and see how many they do a day.

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I would happily pay 500baht to g4t to ensure my retirement paperwork was correct.

What? This must be a typo or something.

First off, the "paperwork" for a retirement extension is extremely easy and entails only a few things. Moreover, what you have to bring is not a closely guarded secret; finding out what you need is easy.

Secondly, (and I was going to post about this earlier when NancyL said something about people coming to her who didn't know squat about how to even start the extension process) -- how on earth can you be a guest in a country (and want to retire there) and not be able to do the basic research on what is required of you to continue to stay?

Nothing personal to the poster here, but I find it remarkable that a person would actually go to immigration for a retirement extension and be turned away because he wasn't prepared. What is that? Arrogance? Stupidity?

What is the thinking process? "Well, I didn't do any homework at all on what I need to provide, so I brought these copies and some other things -- that should be enough; anyway, I'm an American, whatever I give you ought to be sufficient..."

I have not lived in the country where I was born for over 30 years now and I have never screwed up on an extension, a visa, a work permit, a resident alien permit, a reentry permit or overstayed my visa. This is not bragging -- there is nothing clever about this. You want to live in a foreign country? Well, you need this and that and you have to report here at such and such a time and you need copies of this and ... we all (or so I thought) know the drill.

It reminds me of what an old friend once said: "People should have to pass an IQ test before they are issued a passport."

To cherry pick part of my post means the above impolite response is totally out of context. Nothing personal here, and I am quite capable of completing my own paper-work - but others are not, and they hold up the queue while the officer points out their mistakes, most probably to do with the income/bank deposit requirements. Additionally, other recent 'rules' are enforced, e.g. provision of a 6*4 photo against a BLUE background - wasn't questioned last year, but this year it would be.

If say 6 people held up the processing for 5 minutes a pop, that's 30 minutes of time 'lost', let alone people going back and forth to the officer with copies of this, that, and the other.

My suggestion was, if everyone who wasn't too sure what was needed this time round paid someone like G4T 500 baht to ensure no delays could occur at the officer's desk, it would benefit everyone, even you who has to wait your turn to see the officer and be processed.

So please think before just posting off your own 'perfect' handling of such matters.

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I would happily pay 500baht to g4t to ensure my retirement paperwork was correct.

What? This must be a typo or something.

First off, the "paperwork" for a retirement extension is extremely easy and entails only a few things. Moreover, what you have to bring is not a closely guarded secret; finding out what you need is easy.

Secondly, (and I was going to post about this earlier when NancyL said something about people coming to her who didn't know squat about how to even start the extension process) -- how on earth can you be a guest in a country (and want to retire there) and not be able to do the basic research on what is required of you to continue to stay?

Nothing personal to the poster here, but I find it remarkable that a person would actually go to immigration for a retirement extension and be turned away because he wasn't prepared. What is that? Arrogance? Stupidity?

What is the thinking process? "Well, I didn't do any homework at all on what I need to provide, so I brought these copies and some other things -- that should be enough; anyway, I'm an American, whatever I give you ought to be sufficient..."

I have not lived in the country where I was born for over 30 years now and I have never screwed up on an extension, a visa, a work permit, a resident alien permit, a reentry permit or overstayed my visa. This is not bragging -- there is nothing clever about this. You want to live in a foreign country? Well, you need this and that and you have to report here at such and such a time and you need copies of this and ... we all (or so I thought) know the drill.

It reminds me of what an old friend once said: "People should have to pass an IQ test before they are issued a passport."

To cherry pick part of my post means the above impolite response is totally out of context. Nothing personal here, and I am quite capable of completing my own paper-work - but others are not, and they hold up the queue while the officer points out their mistakes, most probably to do with the income/bank deposit requirements. Additionally, other recent 'rules' are enforced, e.g. provision of a 6*4 photo against a BLUE background - wasn't questioned last year, but this year it would be.

If say 6 people held up the processing for 5 minutes a pop, that's 30 minutes of time 'lost', let alone people going back and forth to the officer with copies of this, that, and the other.

My suggestion was, if everyone who wasn't too sure what was needed this time round paid someone like G4T 500 baht to ensure no delays could occur at the officer's desk, it would benefit everyone, even you who has to wait your turn to see the officer and be processed.

So please think before just posting off your own 'perfect' handling of such matters.

An excellent suggestion. It will of course meet with the resistance of certain posters who are more interested in who makes money than how fast they can process the applicants.

I paid 3,000 baht and was out of there in 5 minutes. As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

It would take them a while to see that these people checking the paper work were accurate such as all the agents but once they had that we would see a definite improvement.

Twice I have had my paper work OKed by the girls out front. On both occasions they were wrong and the officers inside know that. Hence they do the checking them selves. Huge time loss.

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As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

Just to point out that, when I did my own retirement-extension in October, the officers concerned were mainly spending their time playing on their mobiles, not actually processing anybody's paperwork. facepalm.gif

I can only hope that things will have improved by next year.

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I would happily pay 500baht to g4t to ensure my retirement paperwork was correct.

What? This must be a typo or something.

First off, the "paperwork" for a retirement extension is extremely easy and entails only a few things. Moreover, what you have to bring is not a closely guarded secret; finding out what you need is easy.

Secondly, (and I was going to post about this earlier when NancyL said something about people coming to her who didn't know squat about how to even start the extension process) -- how on earth can you be a guest in a country (and want to retire there) and not be able to do the basic research on what is required of you to continue to stay?

Nothing personal to the poster here, but I find it remarkable that a person would actually go to immigration for a retirement extension and be turned away because he wasn't prepared. What is that? Arrogance? Stupidity?

What is the thinking process? "Well, I didn't do any homework at all on what I need to provide, so I brought these copies and some other things -- that should be enough; anyway, I'm an American, whatever I give you ought to be sufficient..."

I have not lived in the country where I was born for over 30 years now and I have never screwed up on an extension, a visa, a work permit, a resident alien permit, a reentry permit or overstayed my visa. This is not bragging -- there is nothing clever about this. You want to live in a foreign country? Well, you need this and that and you have to report here at such and such a time and you need copies of this and ... we all (or so I thought) know the drill.

It reminds me of what an old friend once said: "People should have to pass an IQ test before they are issued a passport."

To cherry pick part of my post means the above impolite response is totally out of context. Nothing personal here, and I am quite capable of completing my own paper-work - but others are not, and they hold up the queue while the officer points out their mistakes, most probably to do with the income/bank deposit requirements. Additionally, other recent 'rules' are enforced, e.g. provision of a 6*4 photo against a BLUE background - wasn't questioned last year, but this year it would be.

If say 6 people held up the processing for 5 minutes a pop, that's 30 minutes of time 'lost', let alone people going back and forth to the officer with copies of this, that, and the other.

My suggestion was, if everyone who wasn't too sure what was needed this time round paid someone like G4T 500 baht to ensure no delays could occur at the officer's desk, it would benefit everyone, even you who has to wait your turn to see the officer and be processed.

So please think before just posting off your own 'perfect' handling of such matters.

An excellent suggestion. It will of course meet with the resistance of certain posters who are more interested in who makes money than how fast they can process the applicants.

I paid 3,000 baht and was out of there in 5 minutes. As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

It would take them a while to see that these people checking the paper work were accurate such as all the agents but once they had that we would see a definite improvement.

Twice I have had my paper work OKed by the girls out front. On both occasions they were wrong and the officers inside know that. Hence they do the checking them selves. Huge time loss.

While on the subject of "rocket science," going to GT4 and paying 3,000 baht is an excellent example of the desired effect immigration is looking for. Immigration discontinued their online queue, and has purposely gone out of their way to make it difficult for expats to comply with immigrations yearly requirements. Why you ask. Please refer to my first sentence.

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Went out to Promenada this morning to submit a TM28, in preparation for a hopefully successful 90-day and annual retirement renewal - both due in January.

Arrived at 8:00am and counted 37 people in the retirement queue at that time, including the stools with books on them in line with the humans.

Around 8:40 two officers came out and proceeded to process the queue by checking that all required documents were in order and handing out queue numbers if they were. They sent 2 (or maybe 3) people away due to inadequate paperwork. They proceeded to hand out queue tickets to the remaining first 25 people in the line. (I counted as they handed them out, and also saw the 2nd-to-last guy walk away with number 24.)

They then announced to the rest of the line that there were no more queue numbers available for today. While dealing with the rejects, one of the officers clearly said there were 30 queue numbers available per day. This contradicts the 25 that I counted, unless they gave the last person 6 numbers, which I doubt.

The people cutoff after 25 were rationally requesting that they be issued queue numbers for tomorrow, instead of requiring them to start over by lining up even earlier in the dark on another day. The protestations were simply ignored.

I overheard the man who got number 21 say that he arrived in line at 6:00am

I can definitely and unequivocally say that they did not serve everybody in the retirement queue who showed up before opening time. 25 was today's limit, with a claim made that 30 was the limit. A minimum of 37 people showed up for retirement renewal today, with probably a few more joining the queue after my 8:00am count.

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As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

Just to point out that, when I did my own retirement-extension in October, the officers concerned were mainly spending their time playing on their mobiles, not actually processing anybody's paperwork. facepalm.gif

I can only hope that things will have improved by next year.

Same observation when I did my extension. Mind you, after making a couple of posts on TV, I like to have a lie down to recover whistling.gif

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Went out to Promenada this morning to submit a TM28, in preparation for a hopefully successful 90-day and annual retirement renewal - both due in January.

Arrived at 8:00am and counted 37 people in the retirement queue at that time, including the stools with books on them in line with the humans.

Around 8:40 two officers came out and proceeded to process the queue by checking that all required documents were in order and handing out queue numbers if they were. They sent 2 (or maybe 3) people away due to inadequate paperwork. They proceeded to hand out queue tickets to the remaining first 25 people in the line. (I counted as they handed them out, and also saw the 2nd-to-last guy walk away with number 24.)

They then announced to the rest of the line that there were no more queue numbers available for today. While dealing with the rejects, one of the officers clearly said there were 30 queue numbers available per day. This contradicts the 25 that I counted, unless they gave the last person 6 numbers, which I doubt.

The people cutoff after 25 were rationally requesting that they be issued queue numbers for tomorrow, instead of requiring them to start over by lining up even earlier in the dark on another day. The protestations were simply ignored.

I overheard the man who got number 21 say that he arrived in line at 6:00am

I can definitely and unequivocally say that they did not serve everybody in the retirement queue who showed up before opening time. 25 was today's limit, with a claim made that 30 was the limit. A minimum of 37 people showed up for retirement renewal today, with probably a few more joining the queue after my 8:00am count.

Did you see if those in the q beyond 25 were redirected elsewhere?

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Went out to Promenada this morning to submit a TM28, in preparation for a hopefully successful 90-day and annual retirement renewal - both due in January.

Arrived at 8:00am and counted 37 people in the retirement queue at that time, including the stools with books on them in line with the humans.

Around 8:40 two officers came out and proceeded to process the queue by checking that all required documents were in order and handing out queue numbers if they were. They sent 2 (or maybe 3) people away due to inadequate paperwork. They proceeded to hand out queue tickets to the remaining first 25 people in the line. (I counted as they handed them out, and also saw the 2nd-to-last guy walk away with number 24.)

They then announced to the rest of the line that there were no more queue numbers available for today. While dealing with the rejects, one of the officers clearly said there were 30 queue numbers available per day. This contradicts the 25 that I counted, unless they gave the last person 6 numbers, which I doubt.

The people cutoff after 25 were rationally requesting that they be issued queue numbers for tomorrow, instead of requiring them to start over by lining up even earlier in the dark on another day. The protestations were simply ignored.

I overheard the man who got number 21 say that he arrived in line at 6:00am

I can definitely and unequivocally say that they did not serve everybody in the retirement queue who showed up before opening time. 25 was today's limit, with a claim made that 30 was the limit. A minimum of 37 people showed up for retirement renewal today, with probably a few more joining the queue after my 8:00am count.

Great report on what CM immigration is doing to the expat community on a daily basis. Turning away people who show up at immigration in compliance of their yearly immigration requirements is totally unacceptable on any level. It's too bad the various foreign embassies have absolutely no influence at immigration what so ever.

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I would happily pay 500baht to g4t to ensure my retirement paperwork was correct.

What? This must be a typo or something.

First off, the "paperwork" for a retirement extension is extremely easy and entails only a few things. Moreover, what you have to bring is not a closely guarded secret; finding out what you need is easy.

Secondly, (and I was going to post about this earlier when NancyL said something about people coming to her who didn't know squat about how to even start the extension process) -- how on earth can you be a guest in a country (and want to retire there) and not be able to do the basic research on what is required of you to continue to stay?

Nothing personal to the poster here, but I find it remarkable that a person would actually go to immigration for a retirement extension and be turned away because he wasn't prepared. What is that? Arrogance? Stupidity?

What is the thinking process? "Well, I didn't do any homework at all on what I need to provide, so I brought these copies and some other things -- that should be enough; anyway, I'm an American, whatever I give you ought to be sufficient..."

I have not lived in the country where I was born for over 30 years now and I have never screwed up on an extension, a visa, a work permit, a resident alien permit, a reentry permit or overstayed my visa. This is not bragging -- there is nothing clever about this. You want to live in a foreign country? Well, you need this and that and you have to report here at such and such a time and you need copies of this and ... we all (or so I thought) know the drill.

It reminds me of what an old friend once said: "People should have to pass an IQ test before they are issued a passport."

To cherry pick part of my post means the above impolite response is totally out of context. Nothing personal here, and I am quite capable of completing my own paper-work - but others are not, and they hold up the queue while the officer points out their mistakes, most probably to do with the income/bank deposit requirements. Additionally, other recent 'rules' are enforced, e.g. provision of a 6*4 photo against a BLUE background - wasn't questioned last year, but this year it would be.

If say 6 people held up the processing for 5 minutes a pop, that's 30 minutes of time 'lost', let alone people going back and forth to the officer with copies of this, that, and the other.

My suggestion was, if everyone who wasn't too sure what was needed this time round paid someone like G4T 500 baht to ensure no delays could occur at the officer's desk, it would benefit everyone, even you who has to wait your turn to see the officer and be processed.

So please think before just posting off your own 'perfect' handling of such matters.

An excellent suggestion. It will of course meet with the resistance of certain posters who are more interested in who makes money than how fast they can process the applicants.

I paid 3,000 baht and was out of there in 5 minutes. As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

It would take them a while to see that these people checking the paper work were accurate such as all the agents but once they had that we would see a definite improvement.

Twice I have had my paper work OKed by the girls out front. On both occasions they were wrong and the officers inside know that. Hence they do the checking them selves. Huge time loss.

How about they get a "paper checker" that actually knows what they are doing. Then paper checker feeds into processor which should be really fast as everything is correct. Then all you need is a good queue system that goes to the paper checker. Hey presto - not exactly rocket science.

The observation that Thais are really badly organised simply doesn't hack it. More than a few of my Thai friends could sort that out in less than an hour with the checkers having a list of what is required and being reprimanded if they got it wrong. Again not rocket science.

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As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

Just to point out that, when I did my own retirement-extension in October, the officers concerned were mainly spending their time playing on their mobiles, not actually processing anybody's paperwork. facepalm.gif

I can only hope that things will have improved by next year.

Any chance of getting the whole story. Not just catering to the people who love to wallow in negativity. Like what was your number what time was it. How many queue cards behind you.

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As you say if the officers loose 30 minutes a day with correcting paper work. That is 6 less a day they can process. Plus as you say the time they go back and for the for the photocopies and correct pictures. That can be more time wasted.

Officers time wasted = less applicants processed. This is not rocket science people.

Just to point out that, when I did my own retirement-extension in October, the officers concerned were mainly spending their time playing on their mobiles, not actually processing anybody's paperwork. facepalm.gif

I can only hope that things will have improved by next year.

Any chance of getting the whole story. Not just catering to the people who love to wallow in negativity. Like what was your number what time was it. How many queue cards behind you.

I see you said earlier you paid THB3000 to an agency for your "retirement" visa, are you sure about that, do you still have the receipt?

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