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Entry stamp mistakes MUST be corrected at the at the entry point where they were made, I had the same, on a 1 year multi entry visa , got stamped thirty days at a border crossing from Laos, didn't see it until return to CM went to Imm. to get it fixed and was told I needed to return to THAT border crossing to get it fixed... luckily my friend knew someone so I was able to get it ifxed at the CM airport for a bottle of JW wai.gif So Nancy did the right thing... ! sometimes not often but sometimes, you need to go full farang and stand your ground..... but smile.

Yes when I was just coming over and visiting. I had a triple 60 day visa. The second entry was at Mai Sia They only marked it for 30 days when I came back from Burma. I took it in to the immigration here at the air port and they said I would have to take it back to where the mistake was made.

Still not an excuse to brow beat them. I have done that once or twice but never with an immigration officer. I am not looking for a reason to return to where I came from.

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Maybe our line of attack is to highlight the inconvenience of retiring here.

They don't care.

Once again you're cherry picking my posts. The above was aimed at potential future retirees not immigration. Please desist from quoting extracts and making misleading comments.

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Entry stamp mistakes MUST be corrected at the at the entry point where they were made, I had the same, on a 1 year multi entry visa , got stamped thirty days at a border crossing from Laos, didn't see it until return to CM went to Imm. to get it fixed and was told I needed to return to THAT border crossing to get it fixed... luckily my friend knew someone so I was able to get it ifxed at the CM airport for a bottle of JW wai.gif So Nancy did the right thing... ! sometimes not often but sometimes, you need to go full farang and stand your ground..... but smile.

Yes when I was just coming over and visiting. I had a triple 60 day visa. The second entry was at Mai Sia They only marked it for 30 days when I came back from Burma. I took it in to the immigration here at the air port and they said I would have to take it back to where the mistake was made.

Still not an excuse to brow beat them. I have done that once or twice but never with an immigration officer. I am not looking for a reason to return to where I came from.

Yes, it is an excuse to be "firm, yet polite" That woman wanted Hubby to move along, leave her alone. Keep the queue moving. Not admit that she had made a mistake and take the time to fix it.

Remember, NorthernJohn, I said "browbeat" was a poor choice of words on my part. Please don't continue to repeat them. I was polite but firm and made it clear that Hubby and I were not going to move until she fixed the mistake. We didn't raise our voices, gesture, or otherwise draw attention. We just pointed out the error and refused to move along. How many newbies know to do this, however?

You shouldn't have to be told to go back to the border where the mistake was made to fix it, only to have to pay off someone here at CM Imm. to get the mistake of another Imm. office fixed.

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Maybe our line of attack is to highlight the inconvenience of retiring here.

They don't care.

Once again you're cherry picking my posts. The above was aimed at potential future retirees not immigration. Please desist from quoting extracts and making misleading comments.

Every one else is

So much for keeping on track as to what is happening at Immigration

Maybe some people have nothing to do but whinge moan and complain about petty things

Being so pedantic does not help the cause

We need start to hear more positive Information

After all this is what this Forum Post is all about

Or has the Rules Changed ?

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I said: ...there are reasons for all the seemingly bothersome regulations
Connda replied: Really! If your assertion held water, we'd see it nationwide...but we don't. We only see in locally, here in CM.
Everywhere in Thailand foreigners on retirement visas must report every 90 days, must renew every year, must pay for a reentry permit if they wish to leave the country. Apparently, they also must file forms relating to their movements -- TM28 and TM30. These regulations are not only locally applied.

Please pay attention. I didn't say anything about the way the regulations are applied in Chiang Mai, I said "regulations."

Stephenterry said: On the assumption that retirees can support themselves adequately, it is not so far fetched for immigration to provide a paid service for those willing to expedite their visas. What is not acceptable is to restrict others who don't mind waiting all day. Maybe our line of attack is to highlight the inconvenience of retiring here. Whatever I would have little complaint if I knew I could get my renewal visa processed on the day I visited at opening time.

If you meant "highlight the inconvenience of retiring here" to immigration, then my reply is: they don't care.

If you meant "highlight the inconvenience of retiring here" to potential future retirees, then my reply is: they don't care.

Sorry for the confusion.

Are you really saying that a retiree, upon learning that he will have to either come four hours before the immigration office opens to get a ONCE A YEAR extension, or pay 3000 to 5000 baht for an agent to do it will decide moving to Chiang Mai, Thailand is absolutely not worth it?

So out of the 8,760 hours in a year, the retiree must spend FOUR HOURS of that standing in line (but only in Chiang Mai)?

"That's it! It's over! I will never retire in Chiang Mai with that absurd situation! That's four-one hundredths of one percent of my time for the year! Outrageous!"

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If presenting to immigration incomplete or incorrect documentation by retirees in Chiang Mai is such an issue, why is there not a sticky detailing exactly what is required? There is a sticky for 90-day reporting procedures, so why not for retirement extensions?

I think that would be useful.

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If presenting to immigration incomplete or incorrect documentation by retirees in Chiang Mai is such an issue, why is there not a sticky detailing exactly what is required? There is a sticky for 90-day reporting procedures, so why not for retirement extensions?

I think that would be useful.

I wager most don't read TV

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I said: ...there are reasons for all the seemingly bothersome regulations

Connda replied: Really! If your assertion held water, we'd see it nationwide...but we don't. We only see in locally, here in CM.

Everywhere in Thailand foreigners on retirement visas must report every 90 days, must renew every year, must pay for a reentry permit if they wish to leave the country. Apparently, they also must file forms relating to their movements -- TM28 and TM30. These regulations are not only locally applied.

Please pay attention. I didn't say anything about the way the regulations are applied in Chiang Mai, I said "regulations."

Stephenterry said: On the assumption that retirees can support themselves adequately, it is not so far fetched for immigration to provide a paid service for those willing to expedite their visas. What is not acceptable is to restrict others who don't mind waiting all day. Maybe our line of attack is to highlight the inconvenience of retiring here. Whatever I would have little complaint if I knew I could get my renewal visa processed on the day I visited at opening time.

If you meant "highlight the inconvenience of retiring here" to immigration, then my reply is: they don't care.

If you meant "highlight the inconvenience of retiring here" to potential future retirees, then my reply is: they don't care.

Sorry for the confusion.

Are you really saying that a retiree, upon learning that he will have to either come four hours before the immigration office opens to get a ONCE A YEAR extension, or pay 3000 to 5000 baht for an agent to do it will decide moving to Chiang Mai, Thailand is absolutely not worth it?

So out of the 8,760 hours in a year, the retiree must spend FOUR HOURS of that standing in line (but only in Chiang Mai)?

"That's it! It's over! I will never retire in Chiang Mai with that absurd situation! That's four-one hundredths of one percent of my time for the year! Outrageous!"

I had a choice where to rent 2years ago. I chose CM and had no problems with getting my visa sorted until they moved to promenada. Now it's a pain without any guarantee that I would be processed on the day I visited. Now I would choose CR if my family hadn't settled here. It might appear small beer in the whole scheme of things but it pisses me off that a satisfactory service cannot be provided the same as other offices without paying 3k to expedite my renewal.

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The lady at g4t told me to present my renewal paperwork we'll in advance of the expiry date. 45 days in advance because she expected there would be increased demand for g4t services soon. I gathered from that the existing poor service by immigration would not improve.

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The lady at g4t told me to present my renewal paperwork we'll in advance of the expiry date. 45 days in advance because she expected there would be increased demand for g4t services soon. I gathered from that the existing poor service by immigration would not improve.

Wow, does that mean there are limits to how many G4T can process in a day?

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If presenting to immigration incomplete or incorrect documentation by retirees in Chiang Mai is such an issue, why is there not a sticky detailing exactly what is required? There is a sticky for 90-day reporting procedures, so why not for retirement extensions?

I think that would be useful.

I wager most don't read TV

I would suggest you are right.For those that do thats what the the "search" function top RH of the page is for and for those that dont there is always Mr Google.

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The lady at g4t told me to present my renewal paperwork we'll in advance of the expiry date. 45 days in advance because she expected there would be increased demand for g4t services soon. I gathered from that the existing poor service by immigration would not improve.

Probably means q numbers for retirement being reduced to 5 a day and online booking shelved indefinitely, that should work.

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Entry stamp mistakes MUST be corrected at the at the entry point where they were made, I had the same, on a 1 year multi entry visa , got stamped thirty days at a border crossing from Laos, didn't see it until return to CM went to Imm. to get it fixed and was told I needed to return to THAT border crossing to get it fixed... luckily my friend knew someone so I was able to get it ifxed at the CM airport for a bottle of JW wai.gif So Nancy did the right thing... ! sometimes not often but sometimes, you need to go full farang and stand your ground..... but smile.

Yes when I was just coming over and visiting. I had a triple 60 day visa. The second entry was at Mai Sia They only marked it for 30 days when I came back from Burma. I took it in to the immigration here at the air port and they said I would have to take it back to where the mistake was made.

Still not an excuse to brow beat them. I have done that once or twice but never with an immigration officer. I am not looking for a reason to return to where I came from.

Yes, it is an excuse to be "firm, yet polite" That woman wanted Hubby to move along, leave her alone. Keep the queue moving. Not admit that she had made a mistake and take the time to fix it.

Remember, NorthernJohn, I said "browbeat" was a poor choice of words on my part. Please don't continue to repeat them. I was polite but firm and made it clear that Hubby and I were not going to move until she fixed the mistake. We didn't raise our voices, gesture, or otherwise draw attention. We just pointed out the error and refused to move along. How many newbies know to do this, however?

You shouldn't have to be told to go back to the border where the mistake was made to fix it, only to have to pay off someone here at CM Imm. to get the mistake of another Imm. office fixed.

Firm but polite are not even closely related to browbeating.

On a positive note I was by immigration yesterday. G4T is still there in their office now. I was there at 1:30 in the afternoon. There was a big line up just to get the Queue cards. Also a sign saying no more 90 days. I looked at the posters on the window and had to laugh at the one that said 20 to 30 minutes for an extension. With one officer that would be 24 at 20 minutes or 16 at 30 minutes a day yet they give out 30 queue cards.

I went in and there was no officer at the yearly extension desk but there was an applicant. I talked a bit with him he was number 17. On my way out I noticed queue card number 70 on the 90 day desk.

Went abut my business of eating a great Italian diner at Ragu saw a movie. 5:00 went by immigration. They close at 4:30 but there was abut 10 people in there. Went in and had a friendly chat with the fellow who does the yearly extensions. He said he had been able to get his 30 applicants in. Must have got some with correct paper work. On the way out I noticed they were still servicing people at the 90 day desk. The Queue card showed 100 but there was still people waiting to be served.

Remember this was all after 5:00 they shut at 4:30.

Had a long talk with a gentleman who has been here for 20 years. He was unaware of the 3,000 baht charge by G4T all he knew was some one down town charged 7,000 baht. It was nice talking with him and pretty well pointed out the problem. The Foreigners are moving to Chiang Mai because it is a lovely place to live and they are coming very fast. Last year they told Nancy they did 5,250 retirement extensions. This year based on 30 a day they will do 7,500 I figured 50 week work year. That is only one of their many services. It is obvious that immigration has not been able to keep up with the influx.

The staff they have is already working overtime at a job that most of us would loose are cool at with the number of people being disrespectful. There seems to be no plans to improve it at the moment. The officer doing the extensions smiled when I asked if he was going to get any help.

The one suggesting I could make beyond the obvious ones of hire more staff and have the applicants be prepared is a nice big sign in the window with the address to mail in 90 day reports. I would wager many people do not know they can and many that do don't know the address.

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The lady at g4t told me to present my renewal paperwork we'll in advance of the expiry date. 45 days in advance because she expected there would be increased demand for g4t services soon. I gathered from that the existing poor service by immigration would not improve.

Wow, does that mean there are limits to how many G4T can process in a day?

Somehow, I don't see GT4 turning anyone away. They'll just call in more immigration officers or lower the number of queues they hand out. Business must be great over there.

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Just as an aside....I know a lot of folks think the situation at Imm is terrible & this is partly due to Thailand not caring about foreigners needing to do these things

But I would like to add on Tuesday my wife (Thai citizen) needed to renew her govt card at the main Amphur in CM

We arrived at 10:30 & after her sitting in a crowded area for awhile (about an hour) she was told no more que cards for the day & to come back tomorrow & better come early!

The next day she was back early near opening time & was given Que #61 & after 30 minutes waiting a worker told her to come back after 1pm as she would not be seen till then.

She went back @ 1pm & even though she was 1st after lunch Que to be seen it still took awhile & she finally got out at 2pm

So I just wanted to mention this because many times I have seen folks complain about CM Imm & thinking it was partly due to being a foreigner. I think the truth is

there is a very large population in Chiangmai these days of both Thai & foreigners ...Govt offices for many reasons are just very busy.

The last time we renewed her gvt card was in 2010 & it was a breeze. Not like this time at all. So I think it is not just the foreigners at Imm feeling the increased populations

effect on government services. The long Thai faces I observed at the Amphur yesterday were the same as the looks on foreigners faces I have seen at Imm on various busy days smile.png

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