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BANGKOK 24 April 2019 01:36
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TM 30 ...just when is it needed

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I have been living in Thailand for the last 2 years on a permission to stay based on retirement.

In late Aug 2105 I returned to Australia and returned again to Thailand on 12th Oct 2015 ( obviously I had obtained a re-entry permit prior to leaving).

I had read about various immigration offices being strict about the TM 30 form recently so I decided to take my GF with me to local immigration

for her to submit the TM 30 the day after my return- 13th Oct

My local office ( udon Thani) advised that as I was returning to ( still at) the same address as prior to my departure.........................

that a new TM 30 WAS NOT required.

Interestingly , however, the Immigration officer ( I think main boss at Udon office) performed a NEW 90 DAY REPORT for me ( without my asking)....................

this was unusual as I thought leaving and returning to the kingdom re-set the clock for the 90 day reporting.

Perhaps it was just that my old notification of when my next report would have been due was still in my passport..................and that date WOULD HAVE BEEN 12th OCT( if I HAD NOT departed the kingdom and travelled to Aust)

Perhaps the IO didnt understand that I was advising that I had left the kingdom and now returned...............but at least I now have a clear reminder in my passport of my next reporting date.

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They are correct that you do not need a TM30 every time you leave and re-enter the country. There a few offices that do ask for it.

Perhaps they did the 90 day report to help you remember it.

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If you're on an extension of stay, re-entering with a re-entry permit and going back to the same address there is no need to submit a new TM30.

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How about when your away from your regular address and staying in hotel then go back home, Do you need TM30 then as hotel would have given immigration your details.

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How about when your away from your regular address and staying in hotel then go back home, Do you need TM30 then as hotel would have given immigration your details.

  • You don't need worry about submitting a new TM30 when you get home.
  • It's up to the hotel to submit a TM30 so you don't need to worry about that either.

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How about when your away from your regular address and staying in hotel then go back home, Do you need TM30 then as hotel would have given immigration your details.

The report done by a hotel would not change the record that immigration maintains as you permanent address if you are on an extension of stay. Thus a TM30 form would not be needed when your return home.

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the tm30 form is to be submitted to immigration/police by the landlord/housemaster. it has nothing to do with the tenant or guest as such the landlord/housemaster can refuse to give a completed tm30 form to the tenant or guest. they must submit it to immigration/police themselves

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the tm30 form is to be submitted to immigration/police by the landlord/housemaster. it has nothing to do with the tenant or guest as such the landlord/housemaster can refuse to give a completed tm30 form to the tenant or guest. they must submit it to immigration/police themselves

  • The TM30 can be submitted by anyone in person or by post.
  • It can be completed by anyone qualifying as the house-master or owner or possessor.

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the tm30 form is to be submitted to immigration/police by the landlord/housemaster. it has nothing to do with the tenant or guest as such the landlord/housemaster can refuse to give a completed tm30 form to the tenant or guest. they must submit it to immigration/police themselves

  • The TM30 can be submitted by anyone in person or by post.
  • It can be completed by anyone qualifying as the house-master or owner or possessor.

Going by thaivisa some immigration offices want foreigners applying for extensions to include a tm 30 form. Now if I was a landlord would I want the tenant to know my home address. I may not want that. Would I want the tenant to have a copy of my id. I do not think so. Would I want the tenant to have a copy of the house book. I do not think so.

You are right the owner/House master does not have to submit it personally but it does not have to be done via the tenant which immigration at some offices have requested. The way I read it by some posters is that if they do not submit the tm30 with their application they will not be granted an extension

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the tm30 form is to be submitted to immigration/police by the landlord/housemaster. it has nothing to do with the tenant or guest as such the landlord/housemaster can refuse to give a completed tm30 form to the tenant or guest. they must submit it to immigration/police themselves

  • The TM30 can be submitted by anyone in person or by post.
  • It can be completed by anyone qualifying as the house-master or owner or possessor.

Going by thaivisa some immigration offices want foreigners applying for extensions to include a tm 30 form. Now if I was a landlord would I want the tenant to know my home address. I may not want that. Would I want the tenant to have a copy of my id. I do not think so. Would I want the tenant to have a copy of the house book. I do not think so.

You are right the owner/House master does not have to submit it personally but it does not have to be done via the tenant which immigration at some offices have requested. The way I read it by some posters is that if they do not submit the tm30 with their application they will not be granted an extension

I was quoting the procedure for normal TM30 reports submitted when someone moves in.

Yes some offices do want TM30's with extensions which is different. In these cases they seem to want the person named as house-master in the blue Tabien Baan (house book). This may or may not be the owner.

The house book details who lives in the property and not who the owner is. Thais are used to giving copies of their Tabien Baan and ID and I doubt any would have a problem giving copies to a tenant.

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I seriously doubt if 2 Immigration-offices follow the law and rules same same way - each office make up their own little requirements to the poor sods that have to dance to their silly tune ...

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I seriously doubt if 2 Immigration-offices follow the law and rules same same way - each office make up their own little requirements to the poor sods that have to dance to their silly tune ...

Does anyone have information as to who to contact if an immigration office ignores the current laws and demands unnecessary documentation or non lawful requirements?

Can one go to the head office of iimigration for ones documentation if one is being shafted by a subsiduary office?

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Thanks Ubonjoe and elviajero..................as always your answers are simple and to the point.

My initial question was prompted ( as suggested by one reply) by the fact that I had indeed stayed in a hotel in bangkok for 4 days upon my return to the kingdom and before

my return to my permanent address in Udon Thani.

I was assuming ( ....I know -- never assume , it makes an a.r.se. out of u and me) that the hotel would have completed a TM 30 for my stay there and therefore

I would need to resubmit one upon my return to my permanent address.

Just us silly farang...................interpreting the rules our own way.

I appreciate now that a TM30 submitted by a hotel .................DOES NOT signify a permanent change of address and if I did re-locate then I would be required to submit

a formal change of address to my " new nearest immigration office".

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the tm30 form is to be submitted to immigration/police by the landlord/housemaster. it has nothing to do with the tenant or guest as such the landlord/housemaster can refuse to give a completed tm30 form to the tenant or guest. they must submit it to immigration/police themselves

  • The TM30 can be submitted by anyone in person or by post.
  • It can be completed by anyone qualifying as the house-master or owner or possessor.

Going by thaivisa some immigration offices want foreigners applying for extensions to include a tm 30 form. Now if I was a landlord would I want the tenant to know my home address. I may not want that. Would I want the tenant to have a copy of my id. I do not think so. Would I want the tenant to have a copy of the house book. I do not think so.

You are right the owner/House master does not have to submit it personally but it does not have to be done via the tenant which immigration at some offices have requested. The way I read it by some posters is that if they do not submit the tm30 with their application they will not be granted an extension

If I was a landlord, I'd want copies of my tenants ID.

Thais copy their ID for numerous procedures. They write 'copy' and 'sign' across the page.

If your landlord refuses to give you copies, then you need to find another landlord.

The TM30 can be completed and signed by the tenant, depending on the circumstances.

I submitted my TM30 on behalf of my landlord, along with copies of her ID and Tabian Baan.

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

A TM30 should only be required to be submitted once for your permanent residency.

However an Immigration Office or Officer, can request a new TM30 when re-applying for an extension, or when taking up residence again after leaving the Country.

Although rare, an IO can request whatever documentation he feels is necessary under the rules to satisfy his idiosyncrasy.

Going prepared is the key to a successful application without problems.

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I seriously doubt if 2 Immigration-offices follow the law and rules same same way - each office make up their own little requirements to the poor sods that have to dance to their silly tune ...

Does anyone have information as to who to contact if an immigration office ignores the current laws and demands unnecessary documentation or non lawful requirements?

Can one go to the head office of iimigration for ones documentation if one is being shafted by a subsiduary office?

What do you call 'unnecessary' documentation?

Your a foreigner staying in Thailand by permission of the Immigration department.

The onus is on you to provide such documents they may request to satisfy your Immigration status.

You can ring the Immigration helpline on 1111 if you need to make a complaint.

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