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Yeah, you could have saved a bunch of money .... at considerable (not to mention well-deserved) risk...

So if I had bought the elite visa I would have been at risk? How come?

No. No special risk associated with the Visa Elite thing, other than the risk of its just being cancelled on you at some point, of course. I was really referring to the topic of the thread. (My bad - I tend to do that - focus on the topic at hand...) If the Visa Elite program seems like a worthwhile investment to you, go for it. (It's been WIDELY discussed & debated here on TV for YEARS - 'not exactly a secret.)

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imo, this law might just be the government trying to pull a scare on overstayers n getting them to go out now n pay the 20k fine. I was an overstayer too but i made it out last week and paid the overstay fine 20k and there were a few others like me too at the overstayed counter. imagine the amount of revenue they are generating from this everyday now. but if you have the money to go out now i strongly suggest that pay the fine and go now come back later. Dont risk it.

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imo, this law might just be the government trying to pull a scare on overstayers n getting them to go out now n pay the 20k fine. I was an overstayer too but i made it out last week and paid the overstay fine 20k and there were a few others like me too at the overstayed counter. imagine the amount of revenue they are generating from this everyday now. but if you have the money to go out now i strongly suggest that pay the fine and go now come back later. Dont risk it.

Imagine the money lost on proper visas.
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Imagine the money lost on proper visas.

Yes, it is curious why the policy is not changed to allow foreigners on tourist-visas to show up at immigration every 2 or 3 months and pay a fee (as in the Philippines). This would would increase fee-revenues, foreign-capital spending into the economy, and simultaneously make overstay less appealing.

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Imagine the money lost on proper visas.

Yes, it is curious why the policy is not changed to allow foreigners on tourist-visas to show up at immigration every 2 or 3 months and pay a fee (as in the Philippines). This would would increase fee-revenues, foreign-capital spending into the economy, and simultaneously make overstay less appealing.

Plus the Philippines simply makes overstayers pay the exact cost of all the visas they missed, whether it's less or more than 20k. Fair and logical system.

Plus a processing fee of 500 pesos (380 baht) per month.

It reaches the equivalent of 20k Baht after about 1 year of overstay.

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Imagine the money lost on proper visas.

Yes, it is curious why the policy is not changed to allow foreigners on tourist-visas to show up at immigration every 2 or 3 months and pay a fee (as in the Philippines). This would would increase fee-revenues, foreign-capital spending into the economy, and simultaneously make overstay less appealing.

This is Thailand not the Plips.

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Imagine the money lost on proper visas.

Yes, it is curious why the policy is not changed to allow foreigners on tourist-visas to show up at immigration every 2 or 3 months and pay a fee (as in the Philippines). This would would increase fee-revenues, foreign-capital spending into the economy, and simultaneously make overstay less appealing.

I think they don't because the Tourist visa is not meant as a method for long term stay. They want tourists to leave.

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Imagine the money lost on proper visas.

Yes, it is curious why the policy is not changed to allow foreigners on tourist-visas to show up at immigration every 2 or 3 months and pay a fee (as in the Philippines). This would would increase fee-revenues, foreign-capital spending into the economy, and simultaneously make overstay less appealing.

Plus the Philippines simply makes overstayers pay the exact cost of all the visas they missed, whether it's less or more than 20k. Fair and logical system.

Plus a processing fee of 500 pesos (380 baht) per month.

It reaches the equivalent of 20k Baht after about 1 year of overstay.

The Philippines doesn't have anywhere near the number of visitors Thailand has or the growing 'it's ok to overstay' culture.

As the 20k fine hasn't been increased in over 30 years, and isn't fully applied until 40 days, I think it's already more than fair. There is no logic to only fine someone the same as it would cost them getting a visa as there is no incentive to get the visa, Penalties are meant to penalise. 380 baht per month is hardly a penalty. Following the Philippine model would just lead to more overstayers.

The logical system is to have a daily fine with a cap and to impose a ban. The new proposal seems reasonable except they should also ban those overstaying under 90 days for the time they overstayed otherwise people will just overstay <=90 days and repeat. And or penalise repeat offenders based on their combined overstays.

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Imagine the money lost on proper visas.

Yes, it is curious why the policy is not changed to allow foreigners on tourist-visas to show up at immigration every 2 or 3 months and pay a fee (as in the Philippines). This would would increase fee-revenues, foreign-capital spending into the economy, and simultaneously make overstay less appealing.

Plus the Philippines simply makes overstayers pay the exact cost of all the visas they missed, whether it's less or more than 20k. Fair and logical system.

Plus a processing fee of 500 pesos (380 baht) per month.

It reaches the equivalent of 20k Baht after about 1 year of overstay.

The Philippines doesn't have anywhere near the number of visitors Thailand has or the growing 'it's ok to overstay' culture.

As the 20k fine hasn't been increased in over 30 years, and isn't fully applied until 40 days, I think it's already more than fair. There is no logic to only fine someone the same as it would cost them getting a visa as there is no incentive to get the visa, Penalties are meant to penalise. 380 baht per month is hardly a penalty. Following the Philippine model would just lead to more overstayers.

The logical system is to have a daily fine with a cap and to impose a ban. The new proposal seems reasonable except they should also ban those overstaying under 90 days for the time they overstayed otherwise people will just overstay <=90 days and repeat. And or penalise repeat offenders based on their combined overstays.

I don't know where the "ok to overstay" culture idea comes in - living day-to-day with the very real threat of being thrown in jail when/if caught and frog-marched to an airplaine (days or weeks later) is not at all tempting to me. But if they want to increase the fines or blacklist those who overstay for several months, that's ok by me.

But I also see no reason they could not adopt an in-country visa system for tourists under 50, similar too the PI, which would also discourage overstaying - In Conjuction with increasing the fines and/or blacklisting. Virtually automatic Permanent Residence if married and living in the country for a few years, like most (all?) Western and Latin American countries, would be nice, too. But, no, I won't hold my breath.

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"The existing law is weak, with fines of only Bt20,000," he said.

For a Thai national, an equivalent offence might carry the hefty fine of some 500 bahts.

And we often see 'welcome'

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I don't know where the "ok to overstay" culture idea comes in - living day-to-day with the very real threat of being thrown in jail when/if caught and frog-marched to an airplaine (days or weeks later) is not at all tempting to me. But if they want to increase the fines or blacklist those who overstay for several months, that's ok by me.

But I also see no reason they could not adopt an in-country visa system for tourists under 50, similar too the PI, which would also discourage overstaying - In Conjuction with increasing the fines and/or blacklisting. Virtually automatic Permanent Residence if married and living in the country for a few years, like most (all?) Western and Latin American countries, would be nice, too. But, no, I won't hold my breath.

"I don't know where the "ok to overstay" culture idea comes in" As an example try spill's post (255) in this thread. Apparently he knows quite a few overstayers that overstay through choice. Allegedly they get sad at the thought of having to leave the country every few months to get a new visa so they don't, but overstaying is ok because it's no worse than getting a parking ticket. Complete disrespect for their host country and there are thousands like them.

They could have a visa system for tourists under 50 but they don't. And the fact they don't suggests they don't want long term tourists under 50 other than those prepared to pay (Elite visa). Thailand doesn't have a need to encourage any group as millions come here every year and the numbers continue to grow. I've no idea what the target cap for long term expats is but I bet it's getting close to that number. I know there are under 50's genuinely able to fund their stay from investment income etc, but there are far more that can't and shouldn't be here. I think we are seeing the beginning of the end for 'tourists' of any age staying here long term using tourist visas. They did the same thing with visa exempt entry in '06 and having pushed many on to tourist visas they are the natural next target.

The existing PR rules are a joke and again suggest that they prefer to keep most of us on a short leash.

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The logical system is to have a daily fine with a cap and to impose a ban. The new proposal seems reasonable except they should also ban those overstaying under 90 days for the time they overstayed otherwise people will just overstay <=90 days and repeat. And or penalise repeat offenders based on their combined overstays.

Hmm, let me see.

Tourist Visa for 60 days, every 60 days costs me = 1x flight for 2 persons, 1 night 5 stars for 2 person, room service, shopping + visa fees + "visa fees" to the guy in front of the embassy Probably around 30,000 - 40,000 THB. Needs to be done every 60 days for a year, so at least 6 times.

Overstaying 90 days going over the border and come back for 30 days visa on arrival, 20,000 THB. To get a year staying, it need's to be done 3 times.

Over the year, it is approx. 200,000 THB (tourist visa) vs. 60,000 THB (overstay)

Man, I might save something with your idea (hypothetical, I have my wild and fun overstay lifestyle left behind).

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It's kind of funny - I totally missed the word of the blacklisting info when it was supposed to start months ago.

Then early December 2015 - I get a Thai Visa Breaking News email about the blacklisting starting March 2016.

I went into panic mode - called a visa services that previously would have helped clear my overstay - to can't anymore.

Kept calling - got one company to say no problem for a cost of 75000 baht - but he couldn't guarantee it could be fixed - just money back.

Other companies would not give a qoute - just wanted me to come in - but I lived too far to take a trip, just to be told it cost too much or they can't do it..

Then my last attempt - a law firm said "no problem" and asked if I heard of the new overstay law? - then said for 200000 baht they can escort me to the airport and meet me on my return.. Then they will get me a long term visa..

So when I heard that silly nonsense- I called a random immigration office.. They guy nicely said "it's better to leave from airport - and return and begin with a new start."

I bought a ticket and left.. Currently renewing everything and taking care of business I could not do from Thailand..

My multiple year overstay - it wasn't my plan to overstay, it just happened.. And yes - no real penality for doing so, prolonged my illegal stay..

That's my overstay story ..

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