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Overstay blacklisting starts in March

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This is long overdue.

No point to having a rgulation that is not properly enforced.

Boy you really got me scratching my head over this one.

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I'd wait until it the royal decree is actually published.

I wonder about people who started their overstay before March 2016.

My friend was at immigration here in Pattaya yesterday. He had to sign a form indicating he understood these new rules. Seems they are instituting this already????

This signing of the forms has been effect (to my knowledge) already 1 year+

The last time I did an extension of stay at Jomtien Immigration (around 1.5 years ago) I also had to sign such a form

That's what I thought also. I just did my mother's extension 3 weeks ago or so. Didn't have to sign anything. TiT!!

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The only question that remains (for me that is) what happens if you have 1 day overstay, because for example your Border Run bus breaks down etc etc.

The rules mentioned before did not start the banning until 90 days was reached.

This article only mentions one year or more.

So 80 days of overstay and you're still good to go? No ban at all until 90 days?

The bans proposed by immigration had no ban for overstaying under 90 days IF you surrendered. But if arrested you could be banned even if the overstay was 1 day. Based on the OP the proposed rules have been amended so that only someone overstaying more than 1 year gets banned.

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Quality visitors do not overstay any ware for 5 years and as for the insignificant 20000 baht fines should be raised to 1000000 baht that might be a deterrent to the reprobate over stayers and keep the small trivial fines 20000 for not wearing seatbelts or not wearing a certified crash helmet while riding a motorbike.

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My lawyer said they do this every so often to get people to panic and pay up by paying their overstay fines.

Last year I had to go and get my visa done 2 months before this was due to get enforced and had an overstay on it ( I couldn't afford it due to being disabled and having to pay for someone to fly with me etc ) I borrowed the money , went to the airport ,paid the fine and was back 3 days later !

2 months later nothing was enforced and is still the same as far as I know.

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Quality visitors do not overstay any ware for 5 years and as for the insignificant 20000 baht fines should be raised to 1000000 baht that might be a deterrent to the reprobate over stayers and keep the small trivial fines 20000 for not wearing seatbelts or not wearing a certified crash helmet while riding a motorbike.

The 20k fine is definitely too low and out of date. It was set over 30 years ago.

But IMO banning people is more of a deterrent. An increased fine without bans would probably just increase the number of overstayers.

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The only question that remains (for me that is) what happens if you have 1 day overstay, because for example your Border Run bus breaks down etc etc.

The rules mentioned before did not start the banning until 90 days was reached.

This article only mentions one year or more.

So 80 days of overstay and you're still good to go? No ban at all until 90 days?

The bans proposed by immigration had no ban for overstaying under 90 days IF you surrendered. But if arrested you could be banned even if the overstay was 1 day. Based on the OP the proposed rules have been amended so that only someone overstaying more than 1 year gets banned.

If that proves to be true I doubt immigration will be pleased as such an amendment would add very few "teeth" to the present situation. The "clever" people will overstay by some 364 days, pay the fine, exit and immediately return.

My expectation is for the "new" overstay rules to much stricter.

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The only question that remains (for me that is) what happens if you have 1 day overstay, because for example your Border Run bus breaks down etc etc.

The rules mentioned before did not start the banning until 90 days was reached.

This article only mentions one year or more.

So 80 days of overstay and you're still good to go? No ban at all until 90 days?

The bans proposed by immigration had no ban for overstaying under 90 days IF you surrendered. But if arrested you could be banned even if the overstay was 1 day. Based on the OP the proposed rules have been amended so that only someone overstaying more than 1 year gets banned.

That is not correct. The wording of the announcement was not perfect, but the new rules were only for people overstaying more than 90 days whether they surrendered or was arrested. The confusion were caused by the section about being arrested only distinguishing between under/over one year, but the headline had already outlined that the regulation were for people overstaying more than 90 days. This was extensively discussed when the announcement came out a year and a half (I think) ago.

I think it's likely that we are still talking about the same regulation, and that the article in The Nation is just cherry-picking some of the more headline grabbing consequences of the changes. Quoting the new regulation in its entirety would probably be too convoluted for the average news reader without personal interest in foreigners on overstay. But time will tell.

Sophon

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And you think this will suddenly stop over staying and all those currently over staying are suddenly going to get a twinge of guilt and run to immigration to hand themselves in I think not. Those overstaying will be deeply embedded in there chosen location and will stay that way. Again there is no firm this will happen just yet another interpretation of a story.

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My lawyer said they do this every so often to get people to panic and pay up by paying their overstay fines.

Last year I had to go and get my visa done 2 months before this was due to get enforced and had an overstay on it ( I couldn't afford it due to being disabled and having to pay for someone to fly with me etc ) I borrowed the money , went to the airport ,paid the fine and was back 3 days later !

2 months later nothing was enforced and is still the same as far as I know.

You're right that it has been threatened before but this is the first report that I have seen that mentions a Royal Decree. It will have to be posted in the Royal Gazette before being enforced. So it looks odds on that blacklisting is coming.

At least they are giving people time to sort themselves out. IMO it will be 60 days after it gets posted in the Gazette before coming in to force so it looks like it will be May/June 2016 before bans get handed out.

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I doubt very much that anyone with over 5 years of overstay will turn themselves in.

Just stay under the radar and continue.

Even over stayers contribute to the economy.

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I'll believe it when I see it.

The article says a "law." Has the cabinet blessed it, has the puppet Parliament reviewed/voted on the law?

The problem I have with this article is it's a Nation news release and a police "major general" (dime a dozen in Thailand) is making the statement....making it sound like a done deal. Yea I know he's the immigration bureau chief.

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And lets hope they record the names of those who overstay and check it against a database with all those who attempt to enter visa waiver or applying at a consulate outside the country. A simple computer program could do it!

they do

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So 80 days of overstay and you're still good to go? No ban at all until 90 days?

The bans proposed by immigration had no ban for overstaying under 90 days IF you surrendered. But if arrested you could be banned even if the overstay was 1 day. Based on the OP the proposed rules have been amended so that only someone overstaying more than 1 year gets banned.

That is not correct. The wording of the announcement was not perfect, but the new rules were only for people overstaying more than 90 days whether they surrendered or was arrested. The confusion were caused by the section about being arrested only distinguishing between under/over one year, but the headline had already outlined that the regulation were for people overstaying more than 90 days. This was extensively discussed when the announcement came out a year and a half (I think) ago.

I think it's likely that we are still talking about the same regulation, and that the article in The Nation is just cherry-picking some of the more headline grabbing consequences of the changes. Quoting the new regulation in its entirety would probably be too convoluted for the average news reader without personal interest in foreigners on overstay. But time will tell.

Sophon

It is correct. The immigration proposal was crystal clear. If apprehended overstays of less than 1 year get banned for 5 years. That would include 1 day.

The aliens who violate The Immigration Act, B.E.2522 by overstaying more than 90 days in the Kingdom of Thailand will be forbidden from re-entering the kingdom for a certain period of time as follow ;

Overstay more than 90 days forbidden 1 year

Overstay more than 1 year forbidden 3 years

Overstay more than 3 years forbidden 5 years

Overstay more than 5 years forbidden 10 years

In the case that alien is being apprehended

Overstay less than 1 year forbidden 5 years

Overstay more than 1 years forbidden 10 years

The Nation article only talks about bans only for those overstaying more than 1 year.

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