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The only question that remains (for me that is) what happens if you have 1 day overstay, because for example your Border Run bus breaks down etc etc.

Go several days early. If you leave it until the last day the problem will be yours.

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I've read the OP, is there any mention of increased fines, over and above what is charged now?

No. They would have to change the immigration act to charge more than 20k.

They can do that easily.

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I would imagine there are many 1,000s of overstayers who pay into the economy which will have an adverse effect on the Thai economy if it is put into force it seems one step forward and ten steps backwards

So if an overstayer flouts the law but spends money in the supermarket, on accom and the other necessaries he should not be fined ,deported etc ?

"Oh but I help the economy" has nothing to do with it you are a law breaker as is the case in any country

There is absolutely no excuse for being on overstay unless you are illiterate or cant read a calendar.

Seems Thailnd attracts all the scum bags,desperados ,criminals ,paodophiles, time for massive clean up

Attracts a lot of busybodies, too...

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Quality visitors do not overstay any ware for 5 years and as for the insignificant 20000 baht fines should be raised to 1000000 baht that might be a deterrent to the reprobate over stayers and keep the small trivial fines 20000 for not wearing seatbelts or not wearing a certified crash helmet while riding a motorbike.[/quote

And a merry bah humbug to you sir have any over stayers directly affected you sir!!!

It doesn't matter if any overstayers affect the posters on TVF.

Strangely enough it is the Thai government that make the rules and not anybody on TVF.

If you have a problem then go to the government and tell them that they are wrong and it is not fair.

I wish you the best of luck with that.

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I would imagine most long term overstayers do so because they have no money and can't afford to pay the 20k overstay fine, and get another visa. If they all left tomorrow I doubt it would make a jot of difference to the economy. Anyone overstaying through choice deserves to get thrown out and banned.

Moreover they can't afford flights home either.

If they are serious about getting rid of the over stayers then they should have a one month amnesty before the new rules apply.

Without the worry or fear of paying a fine or being locked up, they have an opportunity to contact family for help to get back home.

There again there will be some who have nothing, or no one to go back to!

They have 3 months amnesty from now until probably the end of March.

If they can't get sorted out during the next 3 months another month won't make any difference.

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I overstayed many times because it was de facto legal in Thailand to overstay multiple months or years. Now it seems they try to enforce the law / regulation. Don't quote this and say "the law blah blah" if you don't understand what de facto means, especially in Thailand.

Personally I do not have a problem with it, finally it's over with paying 20,000 THB every couple months out of convenience. Got really into my budget but was kind of a nice lifesytsle that way. Haters gonna hate :).

The only thing what bothers me a bit that they want to have the visas done in the "home country". Hope that will apply only to tourist visas and business visas and not marriage or child support.

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Funny ... The Thai Visa Terrorism Experts seem to have fone to sleep.

Am I the only one who thinks it is brillaint to finally take inventory of foreigners and find out who the hell is in the Kingdom?

Is is lost on everyone that this creates a scenerio where the police can walk up and demand to see your papers and have a "regulation" they need to enforce?

If you are a person who is stuck on overstay with nothing to really hide, go immedialty and pay the fine and straighten it out.

By the way, to others like me who are here on retirement visas ... get down off your high horses ... for us .. it is incredibly easy to be here.

Imagine yourself 30 years old, and wanting to stay here for pleanty of great rerasons .. you too would have been tempted to play the 20,000 THB, catch me if you can game.

Stop with your high and mighty attitude if you are lucky enough to have a retirement visa.

And for those of us not eligible for a Retirement visa (below 50), not married to a Thai, don't want/need to work (especially in Thailand) not going to invest 10Million THB & not going to shell out 500k for a TE visa but do believe this is the right thing to do? Are we allowed an opinion from our not so high horse?

End of the day laws are laws, I've no sympathy for anybody who intentionally/deliberately sets out to break them just because they don't suit their personal wants (not needs).

The guys I do feel sorry for are the ones who unintentionally get caught by this (e.g. sudden illness & can't travel, yes you can get a medical certificate but it's not hard to imagine a scenario where somebody is too ill to travel, but not ill enough to get an MC), for whom this clampdown could seriously <deleted> up their lives.

These are the people we should have sympathy for, not somebody who should have the means & ability to travel for a few days every 3 months (& I count myself in this camp).

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What about tougher laws on corruption, drink driving, murders, etc?

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What about tougher laws on corruption, drink driving, murders, etc?

Agree, but irrelevant to this thread so probably one for another one if you'd like to start one.

Or are you suggesting the 2 are somehow linked? And overstayers should be in the same category as drink drivers/murderers???

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Or are you suggesting the 2 are somehow linked?

Why would these new regulations not cross with e.g. corruption? If a big shot with a business and other interests is found to be overstaying he will surely find an agreement somehow, even paying millions of baht. And where big money comes from corruption, drugs and murder is not far away.

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It is in fact illegal, even in Thailand.

[...] Thailand allow overstaying.

Thank you for confirming within your post that you know what de facto means.

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I overstayed many times because it was de facto legal in Thailand to overstay multiple months or years. Now it seems they try to enforce the law / regulation. Don't quote this and say "the law blah blah" if you don't understand what de facto means, especially in Thailand.

Personally I do not have a problem with it, finally it's over with paying 20,000 THB every couple months out of convenience. Got really into my budget but was kind of a nice lifesytsle that way. Haters gonna hate smile.png.

The only thing what bothers me a bit that they want to have the visas done in the "home country". Hope that will apply only to tourist visas and business visas and not marriage or child support.

Troll or recently released!

It is in fact illegal, even in Thailand. The only people that have got away with it are those that made it to the border at which point there was no point in sending them through deportation. Ask someone that has been caught and deported how legal it is!

The current law allows for any overstayer to be locked up for up to two years so, thankfully for many, they haven't been applying the law. And only people being deported can automatically be excluded from re-entry, which is also currently not enforced. Obviously the level of piss taking by you and your kind has forced the authorities to take more punitive action.

You are proof that too many believe that overstaying is an viable option and laughably that Thailand allow overstaying. The fact that you are going to change your lifestyle kind of proves that bans are a far bigger deterrent than fines.

Where do you get this from? There are people who have been locked up for up to 15 years at IDC. I know, because I have been there.

No limit of years there, but that only strengtens your point :)

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