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My 90day is coming up, any updates on mail in situation ?

As reported in other threads, the 90 day mail-in service got a little behind during the holidays and the staff processing them at the airport doesn't take kindly to people coming in person to inquire about the status of their report. But, they are still accepting 90 day reports by post. Go ahead and mail yours, but definitely do it 15 days ahead of the due date. Don't try to cut it too close.

Don't you love Thai visa. One poster says they are no longer taking mail in 90 day reports by mail and it goes viral. The fact is they are still taking them in.

according to a poster today there having proplems with mail in 90 days as,the officer did comment to missus last week no more mail go other office,thought it was a lost in translation between officer thai lady and me,not so sure now

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sent my 90 day report on 25th December i have not received anything back yet but went into the office on monday 11th the guy strictly told me that they will not accept anymore 90 day reports by post if you live in chiang mai ,but mine was processed on 6th of January but still have not got a receipt he just wrote on the back of my departure card 6th April i am a bit worried about the next time i go and do it he did show me a big pile of reports and told me if anybody is late they are going to be charged as they just don't have enough staff is what he told me and why i did not do it online thats what he told me in thai language nothing was lost in translation .

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sent my 90 day report on 25th December i have not received anything back yet but went into the office on monday 11th the guy strictly told me that they will not accept anymore 90 day reports by post if you live in chiang mai ,but mine was processed on 6th of January but still have not got a receipt he just wrote on the back of my departure card 6th April i am a bit worried about the next time i go and do it he did show me a big pile of reports and told me if anybody is late they are going to be charged as they just don't have enough staff is what he told me and why i did not do it online thats what he told me in thai language nothing was lost in translation .

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Exactly what he said back in August just before a new agency was opened.

Surely though if he has a big pile of reports that have yet to be processed but have been confirmed well before due dates as received by ems/ registered post should be immigrations responsibility?

Perhaps somebody from Prom should be talking to him as he is contradicting a number of fellow officers?

Should soon get resolved!

Then I woke up and remembered where I was. ?

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My 90day is coming up, any updates on mail in situation ?

As reported in other threads, the 90 day mail-in service got a little behind during the holidays and the staff processing them at the airport doesn't take kindly to people coming in person to inquire about the status of their report. But, they are still accepting 90 day reports by post. Go ahead and mail yours, but definitely do it 15 days ahead of the due date. Don't try to cut it too close.

Don't you love Thai visa. One poster says they are no longer taking mail in 90 day reports by mail and it goes viral. The fact is they are still taking them in.

Yes of course they are taking them in,the postman delivers them, its getting them processed and back out that is the problem as many have confirmed.

Keep reading others reports and/or other threads and it may sink in.

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I always seem to be unlucky with my 90 day report at the immigration Promenada.

The 1st time I went at 1 m... was told all the numbers had been used up.

2nd time (the next day) went really early... still did not get seen till gone 3 pm.

Yesterday I went at 7.45 am.. the 90 day line was really long... I knew I would have not got a number or at best not got seen till the afternoon... I did not want to wait in that boring place all day...

So I went in the visa service shop thing next door and the girl got my 90 day in less than 10 minutes.. for only 300 baht.

In the old place in the city I used to get the 90 day really quickly and never had any problems. I can't drive as I am partially blind and have to rely on friends to take me there.... so next time I am going to try the on line reporting.

For your 300 baht you could have had a nice breakfast at Rim Ping's "Bistro" and seen a movie. I'd rather do that than give the money to G4T. Did you ask yourself how it is that they can jump the queue to get your report done in 10 minutes and what you're doing by supporting that?

Yep... it seems fine to do that 300 baht thing. Its worth the money not to waste me day waiting around in that palce.

Its only 300 baht.. I am sure most farang can afford that.

Supporting it seems a good idea... its providing a good service... if you take your logic about supporting it is bad you could also argue....shopping at Rim Ping's supermarket is bad... have you though about how shopping there is putting local small shops out of business.. and importing all those overpriced produces is harming the environment?

I am not into watching movies as I am partially blind so don't get much enjoyment from them. espically the run of the mill mass produced badly acted boring American stuff which is the majority of farang films here. lol.

I was only reporting my experiences at the immigration office for 90 day... as was the purpose of this thread. I did not expect to get attacked for doing something immoral by using a visa service.

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Yes of course they are taking them in,the postman delivers them, its getting them processed and back out that is the problem as many have confirmed.

Keep reading others reports and/or other threads and it may sink in.

I have been reading them and many of them say they are getting them back just not as fast as they used to.

I am not using selective reading. I read them no matter what they say they for the most part they get them back If you had been familiar with it you would know that every so often in the past some one had to go in because they didn't get theirs back.

I see in the Promenada one stop thread you are agreeing with a poster who implies that you were given the wrong information.

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I always seem to be unlucky with my 90 day report at the immigration Promenada.

The 1st time I went at 1 m... was told all the numbers had been used up.

2nd time (the next day) went really early... still did not get seen till gone 3 pm.

Yesterday I went at 7.45 am.. the 90 day line was really long... I knew I would have not got a number or at best not got seen till the afternoon... I did not want to wait in that boring place all day...

So I went in the visa service shop thing next door and the girl got my 90 day in less than 10 minutes.. for only 300 baht.

In the old place in the city I used to get the 90 day really quickly and never had any problems. I can't drive as I am partially blind and have to rely on friends to take me there.... so next time I am going to try the on line reporting.

For your 300 baht you could have had a nice breakfast at Rim Ping's "Bistro" and seen a movie. I'd rather do that than give the money to G4T. Did you ask yourself how it is that they can jump the queue to get your report done in 10 minutes and what you're doing by supporting that?

Exactly how is it that they can get the report done in 10 minutes and what is wrong with it?

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OK, I'll spell it out again.

G4T is not an "independent visa agent" in the same way that O.S. Thai Visa or Assist Thai Visa (two well known visa agents that many foreigners use) are. The G4T office is in space that Promenada has given to Immigration to use for offices and Imm. has chose to "subcontract" it to offer a service, in much the same way they have the copy shop next between G4T and Imm. office. Now, most people would agree that the copy/photo shop does offer a valid service, since the one in the mall doesn't open until the mall does, even though it charges 100 baht for photos vs. 200 baht. (ever wonder where that extra 100 baht ends up). And the workers in the copy shop know exactly what pages to copy from your passport, and the average copy shop worker probably doesn't. The practice of having a copy shop (and modest coffee shop) on the grounds of an Immigration office is well established, but not a Visa Agent.

The legitimate visa agents in town also charge 300 baht to submit your 90 day report AND you don't have to go out to Imm. Prom, they do. They have to send someone out to the queue and wait, just like you do. They don't have the ability to waltz into Imm. Prom and plop your 90 day report application and passport in front of the person doing the stamping and have them interrupt serving people in the queue to take care of your application -- like the G4T employees can do.

Also, the legitimate visa agents don't have their employees answering questions and helping out at the Info desk in front of the Prom. Imm. office if things are slow in their office, so that if someone is confused, or dismayed because the 90 day queue or retirement ext. queue is closed, they can recruit a customer right then-and-there. I've seen them talk to a person at Info desk and then lead them down to the G4T office where they "sign them up" as a customer. What a great way to recruit customers! And the customers are S-O-O grateful because they can take care of their business that day for just a slight "surcharge" without thinking where that surcharge actually ends up.

Most of you are aware that there isn't a supervisor on-site at Imm. Prom. to approve retirement extension applications; that the paperwork is taken over to the old office for approval. The morning work is taken over at lunchtime and the afternoon work is run over around 3 pm. Guess who often serves as the courier? Yup, a G4T "employee", handling the passports and documents of everyone Imm. processed that day.

Now, you tell me what exactly is wrong with supporting this outfit? You don't see a problem here? Why is it that Chiang Mai is the ONLY office in Thailand that has the problems we do? Jomtien processes nearly four times the retirement extensions that we have here in Chiang Mai and I can't believe that Pattaya's retirees are any better prepared, more polite and better dressed than we are. There have been several threads in the General and Visa forums asking if other provinces have the problems we do and the answer is NO.

If everyone continues to utilize G4T, then Imm. Prom. has no incentive to fix the problems. Some will go so far as to suggest they have deliberately created the problems, i.e. taking down the on-line appointment queue, moving retirees to an office without an officer with signature authority, etc, but I'm not going to go that far. But, in any event, as long as expats continue to flock to G4T, money is going someplace it shouldn't.

Instead of telling yourself "it's only 300 baht", you should be emailing your consulate/embassy and writing letters to the media. And using that 300 baht to support legitimate businesses. If you don't want to spend that money in the many nice, legitimate businesses at Promenada while you pass the time waiting for your queue number to be called, then you can use the services of a legitimate visa agent in town and not have to go out to Prom. at all.

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OK, I'll spell it out again.

G4T is not an "independent visa agent" in the same way that O.S. Thai Visa or Assist Thai Visa (two well known visa agents that many foreigners use) are. The G4T office is in space that Promenada has given to Immigration to use for offices and Imm. has chose to "subcontract" it to offer a service, in much the same way they have the copy shop next between G4T and Imm. office. Now, most people would agree that the copy/photo shop does offer a valid service, since the one in the mall doesn't open until the mall does, even though it charges 100 baht for photos vs. 200 baht. (ever wonder where that extra 100 baht ends up). And the workers in the copy shop know exactly what pages to copy from your passport, and the average copy shop worker probably doesn't. The practice of having a copy shop (and modest coffee shop) on the grounds of an Immigration office is well established, but not a Visa Agent.

The legitimate visa agents in town also charge 300 baht to submit your 90 day report AND you don't have to go out to Imm. Prom, they do. They have to send someone out to the queue and wait, just like you do. They don't have the ability to waltz into Imm. Prom and plop your 90 day report application and passport in front of the person doing the stamping and have them interrupt serving people in the queue to take care of your application -- like the G4T employees can do.

Also, the legitimate visa agents don't have their employees answering questions and helping out at the Info desk in front of the Prom. Imm. office if things are slow in their office, so that if someone is confused, or dismayed because the 90 day queue or retirement ext. queue is closed, they can recruit a customer right then-and-there. I've seen them talk to a person at Info desk and then lead them down to the G4T office where they "sign them up" as a customer. What a great way to recruit customers! And the customers are S-O-O grateful because they can take care of their business that day for just a slight "surcharge" without thinking where that surcharge actually ends up.

Most of you are aware that there isn't a supervisor on-site at Imm. Prom. to approve retirement extension applications; that the paperwork is taken over to the old office for approval. The morning work is taken over at lunchtime and the afternoon work is run over around 3 pm. Guess who often serves as the courier? Yup, a G4T "employee", handling the passports and documents of everyone Imm. processed that day.

Now, you tell me what exactly is wrong with supporting this outfit? You don't see a problem here? Why is it that Chiang Mai is the ONLY office in Thailand that has the problems we do? Jomtien processes nearly four times the retirement extensions that we have here in Chiang Mai and I can't believe that Pattaya's retirees are any better prepared, more polite and better dressed than we are. There have been several threads in the General and Visa forums asking if other provinces have the problems we do and the answer is NO.

If everyone continues to utilize G4T, then Imm. Prom. has no incentive to fix the problems. Some will go so far as to suggest they have deliberately created the problems, i.e. taking down the on-line appointment queue, moving retirees to an office without an officer with signature authority, etc, but I'm not going to go that far. But, in any event, as long as expats continue to flock to G4T, money is going someplace it shouldn't.

Instead of telling yourself "it's only 300 baht", you should be emailing your consulate/embassy and writing letters to the media. And using that 300 baht to support legitimate businesses. If you don't want to spend that money in the many nice, legitimate businesses at Promenada while you pass the time waiting for your queue number to be called, then you can use the services of a legitimate visa agent in town and not have to go out to Prom. at all.

WOW

I thought i knew most about G4T

This was a eye opener

It does make you wonder what really is going on with Prom Imm

Maybe we need a new Officer in Charge Of Prom Imm

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I don't wonder, quite obvious...... TIT ....LOS .... land of smiles and other words beginning with S.

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Yes, it really is quite obvious. One just has to spend a little time watching the operations -- and that's exactly why I "was asked" not to be out in the public area watching the operations unless I was there on my own "official business" back in December.

Now some will say, This is Thailand and "tea money" is a way of life. I'd contend that it isn't. Again, people in other provinces report being able to take care of their Imm. needs without having to pay 300 baht in "tea money" to have their 90 day report processed quickly or 3000 baht "tea money" for their retirement extension. Not when they fully meet all the requirements.

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Yes of course they are taking them in,the postman delivers them, its getting them processed and back out that is the problem as many have confirmed.

Keep reading others reports and/or other threads and it may sink in.

I have been reading them and many of them say they are getting them back just not as fast as they used to.

I am not using selective reading. I read them no matter what they say they for the most part they get them back If you had been familiar with it you would know that every so often in the past some one had to go in because they didn't get theirs back.

I see in the Promenada one stop thread you are agreeing with a poster who implies that you were given the wrong information.

Is that what we expect or deserve ? you say for the MOST part they get mailed back so ...a lucky dip ? Many have had the same experience as I did.

Suggest you read Nancy's post of 30 mins ago and maybe you will finally understand what the real situation is in CM. Not any other immigration office

in the country is operating like CM.

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Yes, it really is quite obvious. One just has to spend a little time watching the operations -- and that's exactly why I "was asked" not to be out in the public area watching the operations unless I was there on my own "official business" back in December.

Now some will say, This is Thailand and "tea money" is a way of life. I'd contend that it isn't. Again, people in other provinces report being able to take care of their Imm. needs without having to pay 300 baht in "tea money" to have their 90 day report processed quickly or 3000 baht "tea money" for their retirement extension. Not when they fully meet all the requirements.

Just as obvious as when they first opened last year and the other things were happening to create a customer flow, I believe I mentioned it to you and if I remember you found it hard to believe at that time. ?

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Yes, it really is quite obvious. One just has to spend a little time watching the operations -- and that's exactly why I "was asked" not to be out in the public area watching the operations unless I was there on my own "official business" back in December.

Now some will say, This is Thailand and "tea money" is a way of life. I'd contend that it isn't. Again, people in other provinces report being able to take care of their Imm. needs without having to pay 300 baht in "tea money" to have their 90 day report processed quickly or 3000 baht "tea money" for their retirement extension. Not when they fully meet all the requirements.

Just as obvious as when they first opened last year and the other things were happening to create a customer flow, I believe I mentioned it to you and if I remember you found it hard to believe at that time. ?

Nancy is just on a crusade to promote the other two agencies in town. I believe they are both Ex Pat club sponsors. One is 1,500 baht for 4 of them a year. Not sure what the other one is. I wonder if she will classify them as tea money for that matter are you classifying them as tea money?

As far as I am concerned it is just money for services rendered and it doesn't even have to be an agency. If you have the paper work rite and your passport any one can do it for you. I read once where a group of them take turns doing it.

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Yes, it really is quite obvious. One just has to spend a little time watching the operations -- and that's exactly why I "was asked" not to be out in the public area watching the operations unless I was there on my own "official business" back in December.

Now some will say, This is Thailand and "tea money" is a way of life. I'd contend that it isn't. Again, people in other provinces report being able to take care of their Imm. needs without having to pay 300 baht in "tea money" to have their 90 day report processed quickly or 3000 baht "tea money" for their retirement extension. Not when they fully meet all the requirements.

Just as obvious as when they first opened last year and the other things were happening to create a customer flow, I believe I mentioned it to you and if I remember you found it hard to believe at that time. ?

Nancy is just on a crusade to promote the other two agencies in town. I believe they are both Ex Pat club sponsors. One is 1,500 baht for 4 of them a year. Not sure what the other one is. I wonder if she will classify them as tea money for that matter are you classifying them as tea money?

As far as I am concerned it is just money for services rendered and it doesn't even have to be an agency. If you have the paper work rite and your passport any one can do it for you. I read once where a group of them take turns doing it.

No, NorthernJohn, I'm just on a .cruscade to improve conditions at Imm. Prom. for the retirees. Nowhere else in Thailand do the elderly have to wait in excess of 12 hours to process a retirement extension and now to submit a 90 day report.

As Thailand pointed out in post No.43, I was quite slow to realize what was really going on there. During my interview with the Colonel, published in the Sept 15 edition of the CEC e-newsletter, he said that there is no special treatment for visa agents at Imm. Prom. All have to send agents to wait in the queue for queue tickets, just like the regular customers. Wow, and yippee I thought.

But then, as and I went to Imm. Prom, every two or three weeks to observe the morning queuing process, to see how many retirees were left without a queue ticket, I began to see what was really happening. There was one "visa agent" who doesn't have to have agents queue to receive a queue ticket. That agent has a "special relationship" outlined in my post No. 38. And as long as that "agent" is able to operate as outlined in that post, then there is no incentive for Imm. Prom to improve conditions to retirees.

That-- NorthernJohn -- is my crusade. I don't care about G4T, what I care about is the continued poor treatment for expats in Chiang Mai. There does seem to be a cause-and-effect that is troubling.

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