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A friend, female white NES, has now exceeded her allotted by contract sick and business absences. This as a result of her being lazy and unwilling to come to school on time, refusing to sign in on time, and actually being ill and on actual business leave such as 90 day reporting.

Long story, but she is admired despite what we in the "west" would consider behavior unacceptable and would have, in all cases, resulted in her dismissal long ago, no matter how much she was "Liked" unless of course granting sexual favors to the "boss".(not happening in this case, trust me) I seriously doubt a 7/11 or Big C would allow such conduct either, even in Thailand.

However, she is now concerned about her contracted wages being cut as per the contract stipulations as she has told said school she isn't returning for another school year.

Does anyone have personal or first hand information about a school, specifically a government school, cutting a teachers wages for this conduct? If yes, have the deductions been made at the end of each month or did the school wait until termination and of course, until after final marks submitted, i.e. March of said school year.

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I have heard rumors that being late too often can result in pay deductions, but I hope the school would warn someone first. My personal experience is it usually affects raises and bonuses. But who knows with these government schools. They all seem to do things a little differently.

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Wages being cut.....many teachers do not get any pay for days not teaching...including 90 day reports or Visa business. She should consider herself lucky she was not fired outright !

Not sure what teachers you refer...my experiences are much different. This matter has been brought to me and I'm asking about it. I've personally never seen a teacher have his/her salary cut for being absent, even in case when they never return. You may be referring to a situation where the teacher is on an hourly wage and/or working for an agency. The context of my inquiry is direct hire by the school and monthly salary. Thank you for your effort and reply but out of context.

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It would be part of her contractual obligations to the school. She signed the contract and she will be aware of her obligations. Why is she complaining?

As has been discussed before, leaving without fulfilling your contractual obligation is a choice all teachers have to make. Now is a good time to leave as the term is half over and the year is all over(calendar). As for her "complaining", again, this is a person who does a lot of complaining and doesn't feel compelled to even come to work on time. So as with the other poster, we thank you for your effort but it lacks consideration of the context.

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I have heard rumors that being late too often can result in pay deductions, but I hope the school would warn someone first. My personal experience is it usually affects raises and bonuses. But who knows with these government schools. They all seem to do things a little differently.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, warnings may have come but not in a written or directly from "management", only rumors from the water cooler. It seems this lass isn't the only foreigner with a lack of work ethic etc.. Not coming on time, skipping school like a teenager, all of it makes me personally sick and must reflect on all foreigners truth be told.

On a related matter, you mention "bonuses". I've never heard of Government schools giving bonuses or private ones for that matter. Can I ask why you mention bonuses? Happy Holidays.

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I have heard rumors that being late too often can result in pay deductions, but I hope the school would warn someone first. My personal experience is it usually affects raises and bonuses. But who knows with these government schools. They all seem to do things a little differently.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, warnings may have come but not in a written or directly from "management", only rumors from the water cooler. It seems this lass isn't the only foreigner with a lack of work ethic etc.. Not coming on time, skipping school like a teenager, all of it makes me personally sick and must reflect on all foreigners truth be told.

On a related matter, you mention "bonuses". I've never heard of Government schools giving bonuses or private ones for that matter. Can I ask why you mention bonuses? Happy Holidays.

Bonuses are in reality 'holdbacks' , salary that is held until end of term to try and insure people staying full semester or year.

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I have heard rumors that being late too often can result in pay deductions, but I hope the school would warn someone first. My personal experience is it usually affects raises and bonuses. But who knows with these government schools. They all seem to do things a little differently.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, warnings may have come but not in a written or directly from "management", only rumors from the water cooler. It seems this lass isn't the only foreigner with a lack of work ethic etc.. Not coming on time, skipping school like a teenager, all of it makes me personally sick and must reflect on all foreigners truth be told.

On a related matter, you mention "bonuses". I've never heard of Government schools giving bonuses or private ones for that matter. Can I ask why you mention bonuses? Happy Holidays.

Thai government school teachers usually (always?) get a bonus at the end of their contract that more or less equates to one month of salary. I think a few of the language schools even offer em. I got one at a government university. I saw one written into a contract for a government secondary school I opted not to sign with. In fact, I think they might be pretty standard for jobs in Thailand. Although, I've also worked at schools that didn't offer em and others that seemed like they were trying to hide em from us, probably so they could embezzle em.

I'm not the most timely teacher, either. Morale gets pretty low after a few miscommunications from the Thai admins. (Ever had a class cancelled or not show up with no notice?) Or when you realize everyone passes even if they show up for half the classes and turn in none of their assignments. Plus, most teachers are just here for the experience of living abroad. If you want to work with real teachers, I suggest upping your education and finding a better job. Don't frustrate yourself over a government school though.

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I have heard rumors that being late too often can result in pay deductions, but I hope the school would warn someone first. My personal experience is it usually affects raises and bonuses. But who knows with these government schools. They all seem to do things a little differently.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, warnings may have come but not in a written or directly from "management", only rumors from the water cooler. It seems this lass isn't the only foreigner with a lack of work ethic etc.. Not coming on time, skipping school like a teenager, all of it makes me personally sick and must reflect on all foreigners truth be told.

On a related matter, you mention "bonuses". I've never heard of Government schools giving bonuses or private ones for that matter. Can I ask why you mention bonuses? Happy Holidays.

Bonuses are in reality 'holdbacks' , salary that is held until end of term to try and insure people staying full semester or year.

That's probably true. Mine was always 1/12 of my monthly salary multiplied by the number of months in the contract.

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Wages being cut.....many teachers do not get any pay for days not teaching...including 90 day reports or Visa business. She should consider herself lucky she was not fired outright !

Not sure what teachers you refer...my experiences are much different. This matter has been brought to me and I'm asking about it. I've personally never seen a teacher have his/her salary cut for being absent, even in case when they never return. You may be referring to a situation where the teacher is on an hourly wage and/or working for an agency. The context of my inquiry is direct hire by the school and monthly salary. Thank you for your effort and reply but out of context.

Direct hire: B5/m for being late or for leaving early, and no pay for visa run/sick leave = due to abuse by NES.

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I don't know about gov't schools, but one school I deal with deducts 50 baht for each 15 minutes that an employee is late. There is a little bit of a grace period for those a few minutes late and for those that are almost never tardy, but the regular suspects, get deducted.

Other than visa days -- 3 per year -- the school does the 90 day reporting and there is 10 days of sick leave, but you must have a medical excuse from a first class medical provider, or you are deducted.

All of this is spelled out in the contract.

Absenteeism is a problem at a lot of schools and it takes a certain number of bodies to take care of the kids, especially the younger ones.

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