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Good luck to the gent and his friends with his administrative infraction.

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http://www.chiangmaimail.com/current/news.html#hd23

Guy was jailed for a year because of a false rape claim. He was freed when evidence of the false accusation was discovered, but was sent to straight to IDC bangkok because of his overstayed visa. He faces now a 3 year ban thanks to those new rules. What a dreadful situation.

I don't he will be banned from the country. The judge hearing his case will likely taking into consideration that his overstay was not due to negligence.

Would he really want to come back anyway?

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From the linked story, it sounds like Chiang Mai Immigration could have had options to be far more lenient instead of sending the gent to IDC in Bangkok. They chose otherwise.

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From the linked story, it sounds like Chiang Mai Immigration could have had options to be far more lenient instead of sending the gent to IDC in Bangkok. They chose otherwise.

The "gent" was a French woman. She accused a Thai man of raping her, and shared the details on Facebook. The Thai man was later found guilty.

Sending her to Bangkok's IDC after a period of unwarranted incarceration seems unduly harsh.

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From the linked story, it sounds like Chiang Mai Immigration could have had options to be far more lenient instead of sending the gent to IDC in Bangkok. They chose otherwise.

The "gent" was a French woman. She accused a Thai man of raping her, and shared the details on Facebook. The Thai man was later found guilty.

Sending her to Bangkok's IDC after a period of unwarranted incarceration seems unduly harsh.

From the linked above story in Chiang Mai News:

Update: Michael's friends and family have set up a webpage to collect funds to support his legal defense. You can support Michael by visiting the following address

Original Story:

Weeks after the woman who accused him of rape confessed she made up the claims, a French expatriate still languishes in jail and is now at risk of being deported and banned from the Kingdom for three years.

“Well, all I know is what I read in the papers.” -- Will Rogers, 1923

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From the linked story, it sounds like Chiang Mai Immigration could have had options to be far more lenient instead of sending the gent to IDC in Bangkok. They chose otherwise.

The "gent" was a French woman. She accused a Thai man of raping her, and shared the details on Facebook. The Thai man was later found guilty.

Sending her to Bangkok's IDC after a period of unwarranted incarceration seems unduly harsh.

From the linked above story in Chiang Mai News:

Update: Michael's friends and family have set up a webpage to collect funds to support his legal defense. You can support Michael by visiting the following address

Original Story:

Weeks after the woman who accused him of rape confessed she made up the claims, a French expatriate still languishes in jail and is now at risk of being deported and banned from the Kingdom for three years.

“Well, all I know is what I read in the papers.” -- Will Rogers, 1923

What?

It's Marjorie not Michael

http://www.chiangmaimail.com/current/news.html#hd23

'This should have marked the end of Marjorie's legal trouble if not for the Chiang Mai Immigration Office's tougher stance on visa overstayers. Having been jailed for the past year, Marjorie had, as a matter of course, been unable to extend her visa and, upon her release , was therefore technically illegally residing in Thailand. Based on this, the Immigration Office detained Marjorie upon her release and transported her to the infamous Bangkok Immigration Detention Center (IDC) where she has now been incarcerated for over a week.

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So the Chiang Mai News got it wrong and then corrected the story. But as I noted above, there is possibly more going on here than just an administrative infraction. Good Luck to HER nonetheless.

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Now what? I read both stories...

One story, a woman falsely accuses Michael of rape and he may be banned for 3 years for overstaying his visa?

The other story Marjorie is actually rapped... Post her story on FB and was jailed under the Kingdom's draconian defamation laws.

Charges were eventually dropped, but she still may be deported/banned for years for overstaying her visa?

Anyway, I couldn't see in either story, victim Michael or Marjorie being banned..

Which ever story is true, he or she should get some monetary compensation or an indefinite visa to stay in Thailand if they want to..

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Very true. My family are all Laotians living in Thailand. Some do monthly border runs, some just overstay and some don't even have passports. None of them seem very concerned about anything visa related!

Even if blacklisted, it would be pretty easy for them to sneak back in. They also tend to blend in pretty easily. Their only major problem with being here illegally is that they are easily exploited by employers.

Right, and really it'd be easy for anyone to just walk across the border at Nong Khai, it's been done before by Thaivisa posters (not for devious reasons). Well documented how easy it is.

So the message that (at least some want) to convey here is that, if you are a Lao citizen on overstay, blacklisted from entering or having otherwise entered The Kingdom illegally, no-big-deal -- but most likely those reading here ain't no Lao citizen.

No, the message is that pure overstay - i.e. not being one of 'transnational criminals' while on overstay that Thailand is most concerned about - is just an administrative infraction, and not the crime of the century. The reason I point it out is because some posters here want any overstayer to be banned for life, out of some ethical stance - because it 'shows disrespect to the host nation you're a guest in' or other platitudes.

It may be easy, but they are starting to crack down on it. Laotians, along with Vietnamese and certain other nationalities are actually more likely to be scrutinized when entering the Kingdom regularly, except if they come on border passes or just stay a few days at a time, which continues to be no problem at all. In 2014, my Vietnamese friend was not given an exit stamp by Cambodian immigration at Koh Kong until he went to the Thai side to ask for permission if he could enter. After the all clear was given, he walked back to the Cambodian side, received his stamp and entered Thailand.

Thailand regularly deports Lao, Cambodian and Myanmar citizens who have overstayed back to their countries in black immigration vans. Now how they will keep them out altogether is another story (unless better checks are put in place even for holders of border passes), but at least in the case of Laos, there are not a whole lot of illegal border crossings that are successful there and indeed there is very little reason for it. Lao citizens can get 30 days visa free if they hold a passport, or 1-3 days if they hold a border pass that costs a small fee. In either case, if they wanted to slip under the radar all they need to do is enter legally and then overstay. It's way less risk than attempting an illegal crossing.

Checks on passengers at checkpoints are very rare on the roads to the Lao border, however, Lao registered vehicles and Thai/Lao registered public transport vehicles such as buses and minivans are more likely to be inspected, though still quite rarely. Lao travelling as passengers in vehicles driven by Thais or westerners aren't as it will be assumed that the Asian passengers are all Thai. It's a different story near the Burmese and to a lesser extent Cambodian borders, but Lao aren't likely to be found in those areas.

In any case, the vast majority of overstayers of any nationality are short overstayers and assuming they aren't caught beforehand, will continue to be allowed to pay their fines, exit and come back to Thailand. Up to 90 days seems to be allowed so really, all these new rules will do is prevent long-term overstayers from returning and scare short term overstayers into getting in line with the law.

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Today I received a 4 page letter from the university. The cover page was from the main university office and distributed to all department heads and secretaries. They then supplied copies to each expat workers. It was also to inform departments to keep watch out for those working without work permits and/or on overstay. The other pages, one in English, went over the new rule and penalties.

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Many people doubted that the much publicised overstay penalties would actually be enforced. Good to have some first-hand reporting.

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Thank you. Before the new rules that are the subject of this topic, then.

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