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Teacher Licensing, Culture Testing, TCT

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News we have here is the following.

Work permits will be tied to a teaching licence.

To obtain a teaching licence you must fullfil one of the following criterea.

1 Be a qualified teacher or have a degree in education.

2 Have a degree and have been on a work permit from before 2003.

3 have a degree and pass a ministry of education exam in English and Thai culture. The exams will be taken in Bangkok and regional centres after a seminar.

All the schools here in Nakhon have been in communication with the min. of ed. and they have assured the schools this will be going ahead.

Going to cause ructions and a teacher shortage if it does :o

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News we have here is the following.

Work permits will be tied to a teaching licence.

To obtain a teaching licence you must fullfil one of the following criterea.

1 Be a qualified teacher or have a degree in education.

2 Have a degree and have been on a work permit from before 2003.

3 have a degree and pass a ministry of education exam in English and Thai culture. The exams will be taken in Bangkok and regional centres after a seminar.

All the schools here in Nakhon have been in communication with the min. of ed. and they have assured the schools this will be going ahead.

Going to cause ructions and a teacher shortage if it does :o

In the years I've been here this type of 'news' is constantly announced. Thailand will continue to be Thailand - a very pragmatic country that doesn't view rules the way we do. Schools will employ and provide wps for whoever they want because they can.

There isn't any farang in Thailand who knows or understands completely how life works here.

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Not refuting the thread but I too suspect this will be selectively deployed. I have heard certain government schools saying to teachers that they are exempt from issuing teachers licences because they are governement schools and teachers in government schools don't need one and this is to Teachers with work permits and valid visas who all asked 'where is the teachers licence?'.

Not sure if this is bull or not from the schools but if you don't need a teachers licence then doesn't that revoke the need for the Thai culture test (whatever that is meant to be anyway)

Let me ask then... does this apply to University professors and those teaching subjects other than English?

Sounds to me like this is one of those T.I.T. Events

Edited by Casanundra

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According to the info here from Thai management at several schools, there have been two sets of criteria sent out, one for private schools, one for govt. schools. Criteria for private schools, language schools included, are more stringent. However, it is explicetly stated that all foreign teachers, working in govt. schools, teaching any subject must have a teachers licence. All teachers holding a non education degree and teaching here less than three years must take the test to get the licence.

I have been at the same govt. school for five years and have no teachers licence. We have been told that for govt. schools it is a requirement, but it has never been enforced. They are not legaly exempt, just practicaly.

Agreed, probably the whole thing will be fudged or forgoton. If not, there is going to be big problems finding teachers next year. However, this is the first time I have seen things being taken this seriously from the schools here.

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Once January arrives and the 90 day 3 tourist visa rules start to kick in I think finding warm bodies to stand in front of English classes is going to be a contributor anyway without the new rules to do an English exam and Thai culture test kicking in.

If Thailand is 'really' pitching itself to get better qualified teachers to come and teach here then it needs to do several things first:

1) Sort out it's hormonal administrative staff at the schools to stop messing the teachers around

2) Bash the usless agencies over the head who make it private policy to screw teachers over

3) Pay a salary worthy of a credible qualified teacher and not some lame 35k

4) Establish a sensible education policy and resolve the issues that rote learning causes

5) Make class sizes manageable for effective language learning

6) Employ someone sensible to be the head of English at the schools

Now when all of that has happened then and only then will I believe that the schools can be a place for decent qualified teachers because right now, most schools haven't a clue how to handle one when he/she does turn up at their doorstep. All this nonsense for extra testing is avoiding the real issues and I for one cannot wait for January to come along just so as I can sit there with my big bag of popcorn to see what (if anything) the fallout will be.

Edited by Casanundra
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Let me ask then... does this apply to University professors and those teaching subjects other than English?

Good question indeed.

As far as I'm concerned I teach French, why would I have to take an English exam ?

What about the Thai culture test ? Will I have to take one written in English or in broken French (I'm the only native speaker at my university) ?

What about my Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese colleagues who don't speak neither Thai nor English ?

:o

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What about my Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese colleagues who don't speak neither Thai nor English ?

:o

Excellent. This sums it all up for me as being a typical Thai trait of trying to force these things through without thinking about the wider aspects and implications of their inane proposals.

Bloody marvellous! I guess the key is to just stand there and become a complete dumb mute when they start chatting to you in English or Thai.

For those who can speak and do teach other subjects in English I guess you should start just mumbling complicated words on your specialist subject and see how much of it they can understand... like the nuances of fiscal policies in third world nations, or the life cycle of a swamp frog and how many DNA strands it takes to make a human being... I can see an opportunity for some fun here when they try to administer these tests.

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For those who can speak and do teach other subjects in English I guess you should start just mumbling complicated words on your specialist subject and see how much of it they can understand... like the life cycle of a swamp frog

Thanks for the suggestion.

When it comes to frogs, the French are second to none.

:o

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Well, I'll be glad if my TL exempts me from this nonsense. I'll be checking with the staff member who handles these things here later this week; maybe I can confirm some of the above.

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I had to hand in all my details plus photo today, so as far as I am concerned it IS happening. The office told me everything has to be in Bangkok for the 28th of Nov. and that all schools have been contacted about this in Kanchanaburi area for sure. Not happy 'bout this really. Just as I decided that moving countries was something I didn't want to do they go throw this crap at me. I and many like me are not trained teachers, I wasn't hired as a trained teacher I was hired to help conversation. This I am doing with success, but to sit a teacher’s exam I really don't know if I could pass one. I work in the country for 24 k so all you high and mighty who will say if you can’t pass you shouldn't teach, will you move out here & work for so little?

Where does a TEFL cert. fit into this situation does that exempt you from the exam?

Edited by Boatabike

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Just to take this a little further. If like myself, I have a one year contract plus WP & if I manage to fail my teacher license does this make my WP and one year contract void immediately? Plus my visa of course will also be void and I will have 7 days to sell my furniture, bike etc. and leave to god knows where? Is this a likely outcome if the exam I know nothing about and have no idea of what it will involve proves to be a problem? Or will they honor the fact that at time of signing my contract I could do what was required and allow it to run its course before I have to leave? Anyone have any knowledgeable theories on this situation? I am actually quite concerned by all the changes of late. Not just this, but with the visa laws at the same time it is all starting to make my days rather less than a pleasure.

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Boatabike Posted Today, 2006-10-31 00:08:56

Just to take this a little further. If like myself, I have a one year contract plus WP & if I manage to fail my teacher license does this make my WP and one year contract void immediately? Plus my visa of course will also be void and I will have 7 days to sell my furniture, bike etc. and leave to god knows where? Is this a likely outcome if the exam I know nothing about and have no idea of what it will involve proves to be a problem? Or will they honor the fact that at time of signing my contract I could do what was required and allow it to run its course before I have to leave? Anyone have any knowledgeable theories on this situation? I am actually quite concerned by all the changes of late. Not just this, but with the visa laws at the same time it is all starting to make my days rather less than a pleasure.

Being Thailand, I doubt they will be failing many of the teachers taking the test. Every one here gets 50% and a chance at a re-test if below that figure!

The reality is, if they started failing lots of teachers they would have half the schools in Thailand on there backs. From what I have heard, the new policy is to weed out the completly unqualified, non-native speakers, people not of western descent and backpack teachers.

I doubt they would invalidate your WP and Visa within 7 days of failing an exam. To many schools would be left high and dry without teachers if they failed many and cancelled WPs.

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It's doubtful they would go after you in the middle of a term, in the middle of a year, for failing a test that wasn't instituted as a requirement when you got your WP. But I wouldn't rule it out entirely- after all, this is Thailand.

However, as it would make folks at the Ministry of Education *and* the Ministry of Labour lose face (since they already approved your application), I somehow doubt they'd go through with it, too.

You've heard the old joke about the man looking around under a street light for $20 at night? Another guy sees what he's doing and tries to help him look. After awhile the 2nd guy says, "I really don't see the money here- are you sure you dropped it here?"

1st guy: "Oh, no- I didn't drop it here, I dropped it over on that other corner (pointing to a dark spot down the street)."

2nd guy: "Well, why the heck are we looking for it over here?"

1st guy: "Well, the light's much better."

Most of the truly dodgy people won't even be on the books, but they already know about us so it's easier to jerk our chains.

"Steven"

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:D It wouldn't surprise me if all the good teachers get kicked out and the remaining ones left are the less desirable ones because let's face it, Thai administrators could not spot a good teacher from a bad one even when shown the most obvious of facts. :o Edited by Casanundra

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