TM30 Experience

[just_Elaine]

Regarding TM30, I followed a link to a web page on the Immigration website. On this page, it says it is for "Notification of residence of foreigners for businesses". If one doesn't have a business (i.e. not renting out their place) then does a "housemaster" have to fill out the TM30 or not? Do people just need to fill out this form to report that they are living in their own place and to be able to report when they return (within 24 hours) online?

Also, does one need to fill out a TM28 for when they go visit another province or can one rely on the hotel that one is renting to fill out a TM30?

Sorry, I am a bit confused....

[Compo]

I am going to another town this afternoon.

Will stay 2-3 days in a couple of different hotels.

My partner ( not married ) will do the checking in etc, and there will be no evidence of me being in that town.

Not going to bother taking my passport, as not formally leaving the country.

Will pass through several traffic checkpoints without being asked for ID, as has been the case for the last 20 years.

We will return midweek to our rented house.

But, having an amicable relationship with the owner, there is no lease or other documentation, therefore nobody and nothing to report.

Utilities etc are in the name of a previous occupant or owner, who left years ago.

I might cross over with my wife and friends to a casino, without the need to show a passport, merely paying 500 baht for the ferry and access ( Thai people 10 baht ) and bring back 4-5 bottles of cheap scotch and a few cartons of cigs.

Will then risk the return to Chiangmai, through several road checkpoints, with over the limit, tax unpaid contraband.

Should I turn myself in ?

[HullyGully]

You fill TM30.

Its obvious, you live somewhere and therefore should file the report

My understanding is you have to re-file a TM30 if you leave the country, then you file the TM30 within 24 hours

[manfredtillmann]

I am going to another town this afternoon.

Will stay 2-3 days in a couple of different hotels.

My partner ( not married ) will do the checking in etc, and there will be no evidence of me being in that town.

Not going to bother taking my passport, as not formally leaving the country.

Will pass through several traffic checkpoints without being asked for ID, as has been the case for the last 20 years.

We will return midweek to our rented house.

But, having an amicable relationship with the owner, there is no lease or other documentation, therefore nobody and nothing to report.

Utilities etc are in the name of a previous occupant or owner, who left years ago.

I might cross over with my wife and friends to a casino, without the need to show a passport, merely paying 500 baht for the ferry and access ( Thai people 10 baht ) and bring back 4-5 bottles of cheap scotch and a few cartons of cigs.

Will then risk the return to Chiangmai, through several road checkpoints, with over the limit, tax unpaid contraband.

Should I turn myself in ?

surprised you manage to get through the traffic checkpoints without id. or are you not driving yourself?

in october last year our bus got pulled over and everyone inside, including the driver, had to show id.

as for your rental arrangement, i think something like this is quiet common in t. having or not having a lease is unimportant in relation to the tm30.

you have lived like this for 20 years but lots has changed with time. and right now lots is changing in relation to immigration procedures and enforcements.

[just_Elaine]

You fill TM30.

Its obvious, you live somewhere and therefore should file the report

My understanding is you have to re-file a TM30 if you leave the country, then you file the TM30 within 24 hours

I think I was confused by the word "business" for that form. If I ignore that, then just follow instructions.

[LivinLOS]

You fill TM30.

Its obvious, you live somewhere and therefore should file the report

My understanding is you have to re-file a TM30 if you leave the country, then you file the TM30 within 24 hours

The house master or their representitive does the TM30.

The farang does the TM28 (sort of being ignored).

Supposed to be done with 24h of arrival at any new address (both) both commercial and private.

[MadMac]

Could anyone please post a link to that mysterious website?

[LivinLOS]

Which website ?? The one for house masters ??

[MadMac]

Yep.

[HullyGully]

MadMac,

Please go to any earlier post I made, there ia an attachment in English re IM28/30

As someone mentioned, I did my TM30 at, IMM Prom, they did not want the TM28

TM30 Should be re-submitted when you come back from overseas

TM28 is re-issued if you moved accommodation House/Condo

[MadMac]

I explained that earlier. I can not make the report as I am the farang, the same time the house owner. There is no provision for that in this stupid policy. My wife can't do it either as she is not legally the owner. So in any case we would do something wrong.

That's why my question, there was a website mentioned earlier here, nobody posted a direct link though. If I would register there and this would allow me to file my own TM30, at least I could blame the system to allow me...

So, again, what would be that website to do TM30 reports?

[manfredtillmann]

I explained that earlier. I can not make the report as I am the farang, the same time the house owner. There is no provision for that in this stupid policy. My wife can't do it either as she is not legally the owner. So in any case we would do something wrong.

That's why my question, there was a website mentioned earlier here, nobody posted a direct link though. If I would register there and this would allow me to file my own TM30, at least I could blame the system to allow me...

So, again, what would be that website to do TM30 reports?

impatient? this is not the place to demand a reply. you can ask for it, politely.

you are wrong stating there is 'no provision for that in this stupid policy' for you to file your own tm30 as a farang. if you are the 'possessor' of the property you live in than you have to file. who else is going to do it for you?

[MadMac]

Yeah, well, Manfred, there have been others like you before

Link still missing....perhaps it's not existing.

[manfredtillmann]

Yeah, well, Manfred, there have been others like you before

Link still missing....perhaps it's not existing.

no, it probably does not exist as - as it has been stated by others before - online filing is supposed to be only available for commercial boarding facilities such as hotels and guest houses.

you are the one who might need the correctly filed tm30 for your next extension. so what's wrong with making an effort to acquire it?

[MadMac]

Will do so, as I stated already, when coming back in May. As you may have read there is all kind of confusion and people got fined for nothing. So if the website exists and as it was stated, the whole TM30 is for "business", why not use it? If someone would kindly post the link. My Thai is unfortunately not in reading condition, that's why I ask.

[Tywais]

Yeah, well, Manfred, there have been others like you before

Link still missing....perhaps it's not existing.

no, it probably does not exist as - as it has been stated by others before - online filing is supposed to be only available for commercial boarding facilities such as hotels and guest houses.

you are the one who might need the correctly filed tm30 for your next extension. so what's wrong with making an effort to acquire it?

Here are the details and as stated the business will be supplied with the access information. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

Registration by businesses via Internet.

Prepare the documents

• Business license or signed copy of business registration confirmation
• Letter of authorisation to conduct the registration via internet
• Copy of ID card of person giving authorisation and authorised person
• Fill in the form provided by the officer (download)
• 1 empty compact disk (CD)

Hand over the complete documents to the officer in charge.

• The officer examines the documents.

The officer announces the result of the examination.

• If documents are incomplete, the business owner is notified.
• If documents are complete, the officer in charge accepts the registration. The registration code is sent to the business by mail or e-mail as indicated by the business owner, together with record forms.

[MadMac]

Thanks Tywais, so it's chicken and egg and can never be done.

[CMBob]

Link still missing....perhaps it's not existing.

Oh, it exists as hotels, guesthouses, and condo management use it all the time; however, at the moment I don't know it. On Friday, I looked over a printout from that online system that a friend showed me and she indicated she would try to get the exact url from condo management and send it to me. If she does, I'll post it here. I can say that from the mentioned printout that the long/partial url printed on the upper left of the document I briefly saw appeared to be through a national Immigration website and not through the Chiangmai Immigration website.

As to you saying you are the housemaster, I'm presuming you mean you own a condo (given falang aren't supposed to own a house or townhouse). As Nancy as indicated, her condo management files the TM 30 online for her and her husband whenever they re-enter the country. Presuming you're a condo owner, perhaps you might first go ask your condo management people if they filed a TM30 for you and, if so, ask for a copy. If they didn't, maybe ask them why they didn't do it and/or ask them to do it for you.

Now, all that being said, nobody (well, at least me) knows whether we individuals can successfully register and report via the online TM30 deal....as I've never read here of a single person having waded through that process. Immigration (Airport) told me I could do it (I asked twice and he was clear with his "yes" answer) and others have reported that Immigration (Airport and/or Promenada) have told them the same thing. Yet, as far as I know, nobody's done it as yet.

EDIT: While writing this, Tywais added some information....which makes me think we individuals are not going to be allowed to use the TM30 online deal. If any individual actually wades through that stuff and actually gets to be registered to use the online deal, let us know. My present guess is that it ain't gonna happen....

[MadMac]

I own the house through usufruct. That is in CNX. Meaning I'm the legal owner for lifetime and my name is in the chanot. That makes me the "housemaster". Farang can always own the house, just not the land (for more than a year). US citizens had some special laws applying, I am not.

I can not use that online site, as I don't run a business and don't have a business registration. I can not do the reporting, as I am the farang. So, it's that typical Thai messed up situation.

[manfredtillmann]

I own the house through usufruct. That is in CNX. Meaning I'm the legal owner for lifetime and my name is in the chanot. That makes me the "housemaster". Farang can always own the house, just not the land (for more than a year). US citizens had some special laws applying, I am not.

I can not use that online site, as I don't run a business and don't have a business registration. I can not do the reporting, as I am the farang. So, it's that typical Thai messed up situation.

what makes you belief that "I can not do the reporting, as I am the farang". there is not a single mention of that anywhere on the tm30 - or is it?

[MadMac]

To be fair, I haven't been there to try it myself. Reports about fines were here before, and it was suggested to bring any girlfriend to do the reporting for you. That was a couple of weeks back when the issue boiled up. Farang him/herself can not do it. That's the status I know.

Don't have a girlfriend, otherwise I may have tried that road .

[Thailand]

I am on the Chanot for a house,I filed a TM30 as Housemaster on behalf of those renting our house. Copies were given to each of the tenants and the original retained in my passport. Took about 5 minutes at Prom.

And as Tywais pointed out the online reporting is for businesses.

[MadMac]

Ok, thanks, so there is hope ...

[HullyGully]

I own the house, and I am the housemaster.

I completed TM30 for wife and I, we are both foreigners

We have a yellow book, so copied yellow book and passport info and that's it

Waited 15 minutes at IMM PROM...NO FINE

[Compo]

I am going to another town this afternoon.

Will stay 2-3 days in a couple of different hotels.

My partner ( not married ) will do the checking in etc, and there will be no evidence of me being in that town.

Not going to bother taking my passport, as not formally leaving the country.

Will pass through several traffic checkpoints without being asked for ID, as has been the case for the last 20 years.

We will return midweek to our rented house.

But, having an amicable relationship with the owner, there is no lease or other documentation, therefore nobody and nothing to report.

Utilities etc are in the name of a previous occupant or owner, who left years ago.

I might cross over with my wife and friends to a casino, without the need to show a passport, merely paying 500 baht for the ferry and access ( Thai people 10 baht ) and bring back 4-5 bottles of cheap scotch and a few cartons of cigs.

Will then risk the return to Chiangmai, through several road checkpoints, with over the limit, tax unpaid contraband.

Should I turn myself in ?

Just returned from a pleasant little sojourn.

Stayed in two nice hotels, went to a foreign casino, was waved through several checkpoints and did not show any ID to anybody.

Passport was at home, anyway.

Am I now supposed to report myself to immigration for safely returning home with 6 bottles of duty free??

[Rob8891]

I took my TM28 and the landlady's TM30 to Immigration at Promenada after a trip to Cambo. They rejected the TM30 because there was no phone number given on the TM30 (there was no damned request for it, however on the form). I added a number and all was smiles.

Next time I'm away from home, I can see problems, since my landlady does not live in CM most of the time, so we have agreed that before going away, I'll run off a series of completed TM30s (sans date) and copies of her ID card then she'll sign them. On return from a trip, I'll just add the date and bung the necessary into Immi, without troubling her further, and thus protecting her from a fine.

Job done.

[Dante99]

I took my TM28 and the landlady's TM30 to Immigration at Promenada after a trip to Cambo. They rejected the TM30 because there was no phone number given on the TM30 (there was no damned request for it, however on the form). I added a number and all was smiles.

Next time I'm away from home, I can see problems, since my landlady does not live in CM most of the time, so we have agreed that before going away, I'll run off a series of completed TM30s (sans date) and copies of her ID card then she'll sign them. On return from a trip, I'll just add the date and bung the necessary into Immi, without troubling her further, and thus protecting her from a fine.

Job done.

It is great to read about somebody who got it together amidst the chaos of confusion here. Thanks.

[terminatorchiangmai]

Wow , never had this problem in the past 8 years when extending my non B.

I am up next month for my extension and don't want to be send back and forth all day.

Times are changing i think , so better to let the owner of my house go make the report ?

I re-entered Thailand last year in May and she didn't know about that or the previous years.

Thanks for useful replies.

[Mapguy]

I took my TM28 and the landlady's TM30 to Immigration at Promenada after a trip to Cambo. They rejected the TM30 because there was no phone number given on the TM30 (there was no damned request for it, however on the form). I added a number and all was smiles.

Next time I'm away from home, I can see problems, since my landlady does not live in CM most of the time, so we have agreed that before going away, I'll run off a series of completed TM30s (sans date) and copies of her ID card then she'll sign them. On return from a trip, I'll just add the date and bung the necessary into Immi, without troubling her further, and thus protecting her from a fine.

Job done.

It is great to read about somebody who got it together amidst the chaos of confusion here. Thanks.

Not necessasrily so! I have been explictly informed by the officer (not a new guy) on duty at Immigration Investigations Office that once reported, no further TM30 form is needed until you move your residence. A TM30 receipt should be in your passport; that and your passport are needed upon return from a trip abroad. So go figure...

[MadMac]

Not necessasrily so! I have been explictly informed by the officer (not a new guy) on duty at Immigration Investigations Office that once reported, no further TM30 form is needed until you move your residence. A TM30 receipt should be in your passport; that and your passport are needed upon return from a trip abroad. So go figure...

Which contradicts the whole thing again....but hey, who would be surprised