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Haze starts to cover Phayao despite 60-day burning ban


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I certainly am not advocating widescale slaughter of the arsonists. However, a couple people in each of the worst areas arrested and charged would be nice. Shooting a few of the arsonists as they set fires would put an end to the crisis quickly .IMO, they burn because they know they can get away with it, and the local powers don't do anything because some of them are implicated in the burning.

I sometimes think the same logic could be applied to this forum.

We'd only need to shoot one or two TV members to see a dramatic improvement in standards.

I'm not sure which members ought to be shot, but for some reason the name geriatrickid comes to mind.

Can't think why!

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On a serious note, if at any time during your stay here in Thailand you feel the urge to start killing the locals .... pack your bags and go home.

And when you get back to your country, make an urgent appointment to see a mental health professional.

While I don't advocate shooting people, I can do the math. Millions of people's life expectancies are lowered by several years by the hands of greedy and criminal farmers. Lung infections in little kids and elderly is not on the minds of the morons who light the fires without considerations. So put them in prison or fine them into bankruptcy.

Good riddance, go work in Bangkok as there's plenty of work and let the hills and lands be covered with trees again.

Enough is enough. This has nothing to do with traditional slash and burning, the clearing and burning are on industrial scale. Why are you so ignorant?

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I am not sure it is possible to reconcile the divergent views of this difficult problem when one side is determined to vilify and dehumanize vulnerable members of society. To dehumanize people you dont like by assigning emotion filled labels and then recommending their extermination, I find disgusting. Sadly it is not an uncommon reaction in this modern age of extremist views.

Seeing children (or anyone) in hospitals with lung infections and other smoke related problems, created out of pure ignorance and greed, is what disgusts me.

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The smoke seems to be over myanmar. Just hope that it does not blow to N Thailand, slowly. Really at the mercy of the winds. You can see Mae Hon Song area in the pic, it looks visibly more smokey than CM or CR....spiked to PM10 300 ug/m3 over there for today.

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Now here's am interesting question. Which is worse for the health, the smog in the Chiang Rai area during the 'slash & burn' period, or the smog in Beijing which is bad throughout the whole year, but particularly bad from October to February?

Can anyone answer?

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Now here's am interesting question. Which is worse for the health, the smog in the Chiang Rai area during the 'slash & burn' period, or the smog in Beijing which is bad throughout the whole year, but particularly bad from October to February?

Can anyone answer?

I do not think that is the question. Both are bad.

I think it is probably easiestt to do something abou the Chiang Rai burning. It would be nice if China could do what it did during the olympics all the time but that would cost a lot more money.

To make up for the lost income (if any) in Thailand would not cost a lot but people do not want to change. Carrots are fine........(but not on burned fields) but sticks are needed.

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Now here's am interesting question. Which is worse for the health, the smog in the Chiang Rai area during the 'slash & burn' period, or the smog in Beijing which is bad throughout the whole year, but particularly bad from October to February?

Can anyone answer?

I do not think that is the question. Both are bad.

I think it is probably easiestt to do something abou the Chiang Rai burning. It would be nice if China could do what it did during the olympics all the time but that would cost a lot more money.

To make up for the lost income (if any) in Thailand would not cost a lot but people do not want to change. Carrots are fine........(but not on burned fields) but sticks are needed.

I'm not claiming it is the question, but merely an interesting question which might tend to get things into perspective.

Both situations have similarities, but also differences.

The situations are similar in the sense that underprivileged and poor people are (or at least were) trying to make the best of the situation and exploit the available opportunities in order to raise their living standards, but with the unanticipated and unintended negative effects of pollution.

During the past few decades, China has specialised in providing the cheapest power using the cheapest and dirtiest coal-fired power stations, as well as cheap labour, in order to attract foreign manufacturing companies to set up their operations in China, to produce lots of cheap goods for export.

The result has been a most spectacular and rapid economic development.

However, the results of 'slash & burn' has not resulted in such spectacular economic development. The practice appears to be merely to maintain living standards, at least for small-scale farmers, although there have been comments in this thread suggesting that the burn-off is now being practiced by larger agricultural corporations.

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China Beijing has a much higher annual PM2.5 value than Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai or whatever cities in Thailand. Their peaks are also pretty high. Beijing had PM2.5 of 990 ug/m3 i believe (1hr), Shenyang in NE China Liaoning province experienced 1400+ ug/m3 PM2.5 1hr value this year.

Dust storms kick up even higher. PM2.5 of 2000+ ug/m3. PM10 of > 10000 ug/m3 in Kashi, Xinjiang province (near Kazakstan)

Since there is interest in China, i shall share this super detailed super long video. wai2.gif

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China Beijing has a much higher annual PM2.5 value than Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai or whatever cities in Thailand. Their peaks are also pretty high. Beijing had PM2.5 of 990 ug/m3 i believe (1hr), Shenyang in NE China Liaoning province experienced 1400+ ug/m3 PM2.5 1hr value this year.

Dust storms kick up even higher. PM2.5 of 2000+ ug/m3. PM10 of > 10000 ug/m3 in Kashi, Xinjiang province (near Kazakstan)

Since there is interest in China, i shall share this super detailed super long video. wai2.gif

Thanks for the link to the video, Vivid. It's very informative, but also very alarming. Those who live in northern Thailand might feel relatively lucky after watching that video. wink.png

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