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Haze starts to cover Phayao despite 60-day burning ban

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Worse than yesterday.

I'd have to put out the health advisory warning that the air quality in Chiang Rai is getting hazardous for both 24-hr mean as well as those few hours spikes in the purple region.

This is because once the PM10 concentration figures are converted to PM2.5 concentration figures, the AQI would be much higher.

It looks like the 24-hr mean for PM10 is going to shoot past 300 ug/m3 comfortably in the next hour or so. 24-mean PM2.5 should be over 250 ug/m3.

But seriously like others have said, the figures just give you data to work on. You can clearly see that it's getting real bad. So do take care with your N95 masks and HEPA filtration etc.

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Its 177 here in mae fah luang- ive got a sore throat& chest infection

Im thinking nxt time go cha am or something for 2 months !

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I have read many articles on this subject. If you think there is silence perhaps you need to expand your sources of information. This won't be fixed in a day, this year or next year. This kind of thing takes time.

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I have read many articles on this subject. If you think there is silence perhaps you need to expand your sources of information. This won't be fixed in a day, this year or next year. This kind of thing takes time.

Could you mention your sources, also in Thai? Would be greatly appreciated to have some updated info.

Seems to me were heading into an emergency situation. Its very difficult for me to convince my Thai family of the seriousness of the situation.

I remember we evacuated in 2012 when the PM levels reached 400 in Mae Sai and my new born started coughing.

This problem could be fixed in a couple of years if the government would take it serious. Fine every farmer/land owner 1 million baht per rai for lighting fires (no money, straight to jail), ban the sale and consumption of these mountain mushrooms. Send in military personnel and station them in and around the hill tribe villages and corn fields, etc... Just talking wont solve a thing. Fight fire with fire. Greed versus the right to breath. Easy choice.

For those we think this is too harsh, then how do you justify the tens/hundreds of thousands of people that need medical care year in year out for respiratory problems.

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Hi soilspoil, good to know that you evacuated your newborn in 2012 when it hit 400 ug/m3. Well it's also 400+ ug/m3 range now and for the past 5 days the peaks were all over 300 ug/m3. 24-hr mean values are not low as well. Your kid should be 4 years old now, still pretty young and barely out of the toddler stage.

I have 2 kids myself. I am not trying to fear-monger, but if you believe me, currerntly there ought to be some protection for your kid in terms of HEPA filtration. Unfortunately there are probably no N95 masks sized for kids esp 4-year olds. (We do have such small kids masks here in Singapore, locally produced as well as 3M 1860S/8110S for maybe 10 year olds). But HEPA filtration is key, as you probably can't make them wear respirator masks for longer periods as there are risks too if worn too long a period, even if they are willing! cheesy.gif

Your family's in Chiang Rai? Just hope that it does not deteriorate further....

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Hi soilspoil, good to know that you evacuated your newborn in 2012 when it hit 400 ug/m3. Well it's also 400+ ug/m3 range now and for the past 5 days the peaks were all over 300 ug/m3. 24-hr mean values are not low as well. Your kid should be 4 years old now, still pretty young and barely out of the toddler stage.

I have 2 kids myself. I am not trying to fear-monger, but if you believe me, currerntly there ought to be some protection for your kid in terms of HEPA filtration. Unfortunately there are probably no N95 masks sized for kids esp 4-year olds. (We do have such small kids masks here in Singapore, locally produced as well as 3M 1860S/8110S for maybe 10 year olds). But HEPA filtration is key, as you probably can't make them wear respirator masks for longer periods as there are risks too if worn too long a period, even if they are willing! cheesy.gif

Your family's in Chiang Rai? Just hope that it does not deteriorate further....

Good advice, I'll get one asap. We are in Bangkok now and plan to move to our house in Chiang Rai in 2 years. My MIL is too stubborn to leave Chiang Rai during the smog. Typical.

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Well, dont really have to leave CR during smog season, but since you and your family will be there for the long run, getting a HEPA air purifier makes sense.

Dont really have to look at expensive brands like Blueair or IQair. Just lookat the airflow (or CADR), a 300m3/hr is minimum for CR haze (get 2 if your finances allow). Make sure your house or room is not "leaky" as the smoke can very easily get in and render the air purifiers nearly useless, of course don't make it 99.99% airtight. Lol.

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Well, dont really have to leave CR during smog season, but since you and your family will be there for the long run, getting a HEPA air purifier makes sense.

Dont really have to look at expensive brands like Blueair or IQair. Just lookat the airflow (or CADR), a 300m3/hr is minimum for CR haze (get 2 if your finances allow). Make sure your house or room is not "leaky" as the smoke can very easily get in and render the air purifiers nearly useless, of course don't make it 99.99% airtight. Lol.

We are planning to make 1 'safe room' where we can all sleep during the smog period with AC and HEPA purifiers. But if the smog gets too much , we'll either go to Europe or rent a house in Chumpon. The smog season runs mostly parallel to the school breaks here. I really hate the smog, we teach our kids not to drink, not to smoke, but at the same time we let them breath in this cancerous smoke. Some people would say, why live up there? But we made this decision a long time ago, bought land, built a nice house etc.

For this year I am extra concerned because of the droughts caused by El Nino. Everything is as dry as a bone and there's a lot of dust circulating as well. Also in Bangkok the air quality is bad at the moment. Happy to say that we're flying to Europe for 3 weeks coming Friday.

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We are planning to make 1 'safe room' where we can all sleep during the smog period with AC and HEPA purifiers. But if the smog gets too much , we'll either go to Europe or rent a house in Chumpon. The smog season runs mostly parallel to the school breaks here. I really hate the smog, we teach our kids not to drink, not to smoke, but at the same time we let them breath in this cancerous smoke. Some people would say, why live up there? But we made this decision a long time ago, bought land, built a nice house etc.

For this year I am extra concerned because of the droughts caused by El Nino. Everything is as dry as a bone and there's a lot of dust circulating as well. Also in Bangkok the air quality is bad at the moment. Happy to say that we're flying to Europe for 3 weeks coming Friday.

I just checked BKK's air quality, yeah it's not too good also though bearable.

The safe room idea is good. Just remember to make sure the windows and doors are not leaky, that is really key. Use some foam strips if needed, but don't over-do it.

Well, enjoy your holidays!

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Lovely. I am in Chiang Rai next week for a few days,

Yes, I am an idiot.

If you are coming for the panoramic views then, yes, this is not the best time of year but that is not the only reason for one to come to Chiang Rai. I hope you have a great visit.

Many thanks. We are on our way. :) Never been.

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Lovely. I am in Chiang Rai next week for a few days,

Yes, I am an idiot.

If you are coming for the panoramic views then, yes, this is not the best time of year but that is not the only reason for one to come to Chiang Rai. I hope you have a great visit.

Many thanks. We are on our way. smile.png Never been.

You know that the air quality is currently so bad yet you are still coming?! Strange decision! http://aqicn.org/city/mueang-chiang-rai/

And folks,it isn't smog which is a mixture of smoke and fog, please stop calling it smog as that is something the officials call it to lessen the seriousness of the situation instead of the correct term which is smoke. It is 100% carcinogenic smoke that will cause thousands of people long-term health issues, if you have kids you should be very concerned. And villagefarang, nothing is being done, stop with the nonsense...you are a known Thai apologist yet there are some things that you shouldn't try defending and this is definitely one of them.

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It is awful out there today, really really bad. It's blotting out the sun for God's sake. I'm honestly not sure the wonderful climate here for the rest of the year is worth enduring this, especially with a three year old. I suppose the solution would be to head south for a few months out of the year, but it's not really feasible with my son starting school soon.

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Lovely. I am in Chiang Rai next week for a few days,

Yes, I am an idiot.

If you are coming for the panoramic views then, yes, this is not the best time of year but that is not the only reason for one to come to Chiang Rai. I hope you have a great visit.

Many thanks. We are on our way. smile.png Never been.

You know that the air quality is currently so bad yet you are still coming?! Strange decision! http://aqicn.org/city/mueang-chiang-rai/

And folks,it isn't smog which is a mixture of smoke and fog, please stop calling it smog as that is something the officials call it to lessen the seriousness of the situation instead of the correct term which is smoke. It is 100% carcinogenic smoke that will cause thousands of people long-term health issues, if you have kids you should be very concerned. And villagefarang, nothing is being done, stop with the nonsense...you are a known Thai apologist yet there are some things that you shouldn't try defending and this is definitely one of them.

I can’t really see how your attitude makes the air any cleaner. Yes, the air quality is awful today and probably won’t get any better until the first big rain. I just don’t agree with the simpletons who think this will all go away with threats of punitive action. There isn’t enough prison space to lockup everyone who burns. Who is going to turn in their grandparents, parents, relatives and neighbors for burning?

You simply can’t change generations of behavior in one day and yelling or insulting people doesn’t help either. I have seen some improvement in our village over time but that has had no effect on the quality of our air because the problem is much bigger than one community. Feel free to rant if it makes you feel better but it won’t change anything.
Some people are such bullies and their answer to everything is punishment or violence. If you actually lived amongst these people you want to punish and understood their plight in life or saw the incredible amount of biomass which needs to be dealt with, you might be more interested in a solution which is less punitive.
This is a tropical climate and things grow like crazy pretty much all year long. We are not talking about little city gardens tended by hobbyists. We are talking millions of rai under cultivation and the encroaching wild vegetation.

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I have read many articles on this subject. If you think there is silence perhaps you need to expand your sources of information. This won't be fixed in a day, this year or next year. This kind of thing takes time.

This problem could be fixed in a couple of years if the government would take it serious. Fine every farmer/land owner 1 million baht per rai for lighting fires (no money, straight to jail), ban the sale and consumption of these mountain mushrooms. Send in military personnel and station them in and around the hill tribe villages and corn fields, etc... Just talking wont solve a thing. Fight fire with fire. Greed versus the right to breath. Easy choice.

For those we think this is too harsh, then how do you justify the tens/hundreds of thousands of people that need medical care year in year out for respiratory problems.

Harsh penalties by themselves might have political repercussions if it is felt by the poor farmers who are struggling in the best way they know to make a subsistence living, that they are being discriminated against.

I believe the reason why Shinawatra Thaksin was so popular amongst the farming community, when he was in power, is because of the programs he launched to reduce poverty and help small, rural communities.

As I understand, the current practice of annual burn-off is considered to be the most efficient method of getting rid of unwanted biomass, whether crop residue or trees and foliage.

Alternative methods include the extra labour of gathering the biomass material, transporting it to a biochar kiln, or to a biomass shredder, or to a biomass buyer, or buying one's own biochar kiln or shredder.

Before fining, and/or jailing the poor farmers and hill-tribe people, such alternative methods have to be made readily available at an affordable cost that makes economic sense to the subsistence farmers.

Perhaps the government could set up a number of centres in all regions where annual burn-off takes place. Such centres could buy all types of biomass from local farmers in the surrounding area and turn it into biochar, or simply shred it for compost.

For those communities which are particularly isolated, perhaps the government could provide small biochar kilns for free and teach the locals how to use them. That might be a cheaper process than constantly monitoring communities, arresting people who engage in burn-off activity, spending many police hours determining who was actually responsible for the burn-off, and much expense in court procedures prosecuting such people, and further expense keeping such people in jail because they can't afford the fines.

A solution is needed which actually raises the living standards of those who find it advantageous to engage in burn-off practices. I've got other ideas for a solution, but those involve the rebel Buddhist sect, Santi Asoke. Are there any Santi Asoke communities near Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai, Phayao, or Mae Hong Son? The internet is not providing any definite answers.

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