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Haze starts to cover Phayao despite 60-day burning ban

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Exactly, VincentRJ. Threats of punitive action aren't going to solve this problem - it's too widespread, and the people doing the burning are poor and just trying to make a living as best they can. It's sad that the Government's response seems to boil down to saying "burning is banned, don't do it" without actually enforcing the ban, or providing any workable alternative whatsoever. Until they do, the problem is never going to go away.

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Exactly, VincentRJ. Threats of punitive action aren't going to solve this problem - it's too widespread, and the people doing the burning are poor and just trying to make a living as best they can. It's sad that the Government's response seems to boil down to saying "burning is banned, don't do it" without actually enforcing the ban, or providing any workable alternative whatsoever. Until they do, the problem is never going to go away.

The smoke levels we see the last couple of years have nothing to do with the traditional slash and burn anymore. This is burning on industrial scale, and a lot of the fields being cleared are used for animal feed. How pathetic is that?

Being poor is no reason and does not justify polluting the air we breath in this day of age. Neither does stealing, thieving and whatever shenanigan.

The problem will only go away the moment people will be locked up. Just simple law enforcement.

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Lovely. I am in Chiang Rai next week for a few days,

Yes, I am an idiot.

If you are coming for the panoramic views then, yes, this is not the best time of year but that is not the only reason for one to come to Chiang Rai. I hope you have a great visit.

Many thanks. We are on our way. smile.png Never been.

You know that the air quality is currently so bad yet you are still coming?! Strange decision! http://aqicn.org/city/mueang-chiang-rai/

And folks,it isn't smog which is a mixture of smoke and fog, please stop calling it smog as that is something the officials call it to lessen the seriousness of the situation instead of the correct term which is smoke. It is 100% carcinogenic smoke that will cause thousands of people long-term health issues, if you have kids you should be very concerned. And villagefarang, nothing is being done, stop with the nonsense...you are a known Thai apologist yet there are some things that you shouldn't try defending and this is definitely one of them.

Absolutely right in criticizing me. I will be evacuating the 27th at the latest Landing at the airport today was unbelievable. Almost no visibility and you could smell the cinders. Now in Chiang Rai, the air is thick. I walked over to that joke of a temporary busstation to see if I could get a ticket to Chiang Mai asap, I give credit to the buses for turning off the bus engines. I haven't experienced anything like this before, and it's not being treated as the public health crisis that it is. The government isn't being honest on how dangerous, deadly and damaging the air quality is. There needs to be immediate action now, even if it means using live fire on the people setting the fires. Yes, live fire. Would you let an arsonist burn your house down or poison you? The army has all sorts of helicopters, personnel and vehicles at its disposal. It needs to deploys and stop this now. The people setting the fires know what they are doing is wrong and they have been told to stop. They don't give a sh*t, because they know they can do it. Shoot a few of them in the fields, force them to experience the damage, confiscate their lands etc. and they'll get the message. It's war. This could be stopped in a few days with some leadership. It's disgusting. If the Thais don't care and the government doesn't care, then screw them. it's not worth getting aggravated about. Foreigners should just leave and let these people enjoy the death spiral.

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I must agree this is the least reasoned of geriatrickid's posts that I have seen. It is also the only one I even agree with him slightly about though. No one is recognising the problem that this causes. AQIs of 279 are a major community health hazard and little recognition is being taken of this.

The only action I have seen is the approval without enviromental assesment of a waste burning electric power station in chiangrai....it can only make this worse.

we do need investment in mulcing type machinery but we can also force......and I mean forrce people to plow in their waste which is more labour but benificial to growth.

I think the time has done to jail a few people as eamples. The message at the moment is that it does not matter...it does and it is the Thai people of the North that will suffer the most. They cannot afford the airpurifyers I am forced to use and the electricity to go with it. I bought one for my Mother in Law today and the difference in her face after one hour in the room with it on was amazing.

It is serious village farang and it is a thai problem affecting thai people the most.

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Wow, absolutely amazing! I think we may have hit an all time low. 1zgarz5.gif

We just heard that doctors around Mae Sai and Chiang Rai are advising people to evacuate their children.

We have already offered a couple of families to stay with us in Bangkok.

I think you're just in denial on how serious this problem is. Or is it ignorance? Shame on you sir!!!

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This is the view at our place today. That shadow barely visible in the distance was not visible earlier in the day and the one right behind it has been gone for days. No one is saying it is OK but to suggest you kill people is ridiculous. There has been no local burning lately but things continue to get worse. Some may think you can solve the twin problems of global warming and over population at one go but what are you going to do about the neighbors and who is going to grow the food if you shoot the farmers? I agree, this is a Thai and regional problem but I am not Thai and no Thai has ever asked for my opinion. I hope someone can come up with an affordable solution which does not penalize the poorest members of society but if Thais are not ready to change, I am not going to suggest we start shooting our neighbors. Until things change we are all responsible for our own health. I am simply being pragmatic and giving my opinion as someone who lives here year round and does not escape when things get bad.

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This is the view at our place today. That shadow barely visible in the distance was not visible earlier in the day and the one right behind it has been gone for days. No one is saying it is OK but to suggest you kill people is ridiculous. There has been no local burning lately but things continue to get worse. Some may think you can solve the twin problems of global warming and over population at one go but what are you going to do about the neighbors and who is going to grow the food if you shoot the farmers? I agree, this is a Thai and regional problem but I am not Thai and no Thai has ever asked for my opinion. I hope someone can come up with an affordable solution which does not penalize the poorest members of society but if Thais are not ready to change, I am not going to suggest we start shooting our neighbors. Until things change we are all responsible for our own health. I am simply being pragmatic and giving my opinion as someone who lives here year round and does not escape when things get bad.

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To me I feel you sound as an apologist.

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This is the view at our place today. That shadow barely visible in the distance was not visible earlier in the day and the one right behind it has been gone for days. No one is saying it is OK but to suggest you kill people is ridiculous. There has been no local burning lately but things continue to get worse. Some may think you can solve the twin problems of global warming and over population at one go but what are you going to do about the neighbors and who is going to grow the food if you shoot the farmers? I agree, this is a Thai and regional problem but I am not Thai and no Thai has ever asked for my opinion. I hope someone can come up with an affordable solution which does not penalize the poorest members of society but if Thais are not ready to change, I am not going to suggest we start shooting our neighbors. Until things change we are all responsible for our own health. I am simply being pragmatic and giving my opinion as someone who lives here year round and does not escape when things get bad.

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To me I feel you sound as an apologist.

I am far too polite to say what some of you guys sound like.

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150319193122.htm

http://news.thaivisa.com/chiang-mai/risk-of-a-calamity-if-north-haze-not-tackled-urgently/54692/

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA387131

from the last document true it is not thailand but the same problem

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Table 4 shows that for the entire population, deaths due to non-traumatic causes are 21% higher after a high pollution day and this effect is statistically significant at the ten-percent level. Mortality due to non-traumatic causes is the best overall measure to focus on because the effects of accidents and injuries (which together comprise traumatic mortality) could reasonably be positively or negatively associated with the smoke haze. Substantively, the most important pattern in the table is the concentrated mortality effect on people aged 65-74. On the day after a high air pollution episode, all-cause mortality increases by 57% and deaths due to non-traumatic causes increase by 72%. Deaths due to non-traumatic causes other than cardiovascular and respiratory factors are also significantly higher, but these effects are somewhat difficult to interpret given the problems with cause of death coding. Finally, high air pollution days are consistently associated with increased mortality for those aged 75 and over, but these effects are relatively modest and are statistically insignificant.

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Well whatever, tomorrow will be the 3rd 'evacuation' in 4 years. Europe it is, kids are excited and bags are packed. Shame to miss Songkran again thanks to the criminal farmers in SEA.

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Some of the hills they farm are so steep they are barely walkable and there is no way to get heavy machinery in there, even if they could afford to hire the equipment. Good luck trying to catch someone in the act or finding someone to shoot or vent your rage on.

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will get in those high places........

just call it an early Sonkram

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Some of the hills they farm are so steep they are barely walkable and there is no way to get heavy machinery in there, even if they could afford to hire the equipment. Good luck trying to catch someone in the act or finding someone to shoot or vent your rage on.

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And yet another excuse for those poor farmers who are threatening the health of the people in the North. The hills are hardly walk-able because they should be covered with trees and forests and not corn. Trees can hold water and prevent a deadly run off that can and has flooded big parts of the country.

Double crime by these 'poor' farmers: responsible for cancerous smoke and flooding.

But keep playing the 'they are poor' trump card.

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What a difference a day makes. We had ten minutes of rain last night around 4 am and today there is a strong wind from the North. A good sailing breeze like you might get on the windward coast of Hawaii. Anyway there is much better visibility today.

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