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Hi guys,

Thought I would give an update in regards to topic - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/898597-tricky-grey-area-involving-overstay-and-police/?hl=grey

Its going to be one to tell the grandchildren thats for sure. Just incredible 2 weeks of stress, all my own doing :

Day 1 after arrest for drink driving

Got a call from the police at 08.45 to make sure i was going to turn up with my passport. Arrived 09.00 with no passport hoping that we could just pay the fine there and be done with it. I had already been charged so had to go through the whole process. Insisted on seeing my passport and visa page. I said to them it was in BKK. Went upstairs and one of the police called immigration. At that point i said to my gf give me the baby for 10 minutes as ill probably be in cuffs soon. They couldn't find me on the database, had to come back in 30 minutes. Came back after 30 minutes and heard the magic word "Monday" in Thai. I said to the gf did he just say come back Monday...............yes he did. At this point I knew I had a chance !!

Monday

Called the station at 08.30 and went for the bluff. Said to them passport wont be back until Friday. Can we come in then. Called us back 10 minutes later and said yes. At that minute i called my contact in BKK and started the process of getting my overstay sorted. Sent the passport in the post, sent the money and hoped for the best.

Friday

Passport still not back but nearly cleared. Called police again and said sorry but passport is coming Monday but I have a flight booked from BKK - Ubon for Wednesday. Can we come in then....again long pause and ok. In a way I was a bit worried as seemed too easy but ok took the chance again.

Tuesday

Tourist police called me 09.00 ! At first very worried as now they are involved and that means probably immigration also. The inspector had apparently called them saying we need help, this is my first foreigner case. Total opposite happened to what i expected, the tourist police spoke perfect English and was actually slamming the local police for going overboard on my case. He said its a minor offence and should of been done within hours. Of course then I told him the whole truth about WHY actually its dragging on. I waited for the reaction after telling him i was on a 1 year overstay. He said ok but its sorted now ?...i said yes. He said ok i will get them to drop any contact with immigration and just charge you for drink driving. The relief was amazing, couldn't believe it. We spoke a bit more on the phone about my profile, baby, gf, how long ive been here. At one point like i was selling myself. It seemed to matter alot with my chances he said. BUT he informed me that unless i sorted this out this week then the police would escalate to the public prosecutor and then I would be screwed..in his words. At this point my passport was still not back. I was chasing everyday. The overstay had been cleared but passport on the way back.

Thursday Morning

Still no passport. Met with tourist police and the inspector handling my case at Ubon station. Tourist police sat me down and translated everything. They were giving me one last delay to get my passport.....plus the tourist police guy personally guaranteed my case and that i would return. He even had his fingerprints taken. Amazing !! They gave me one more chance to turn up Monday morning with passport, finish paperwork and go to court. I had to sign a confession and wave a right to a lawyer in court.

Friday

Still no passport arrived in BKK. Apparently sent but not yet in my contact's PO Box. This was it, i only had Sat morning for this passport to arrive otherwise its all over. Probably the least sleep ive had ever was that night.

Saturday morning

Passport there ! My guy put it on a Nakhon Chai Air bus for Ubon. Sent me scan copies of the passport visa page. Overstay cleared and 30 day stamp smile.png

Monday morning

Turned up at police station with passport. This was the grey area that i was always worried about. They will now see that when i was drink driving i was on an overstay. Waiting outside in the waiting area for 1 hour. Tourist police came out and said we have a problem. Police can see your overstay. But i have asked them to not contact immigration because of your good profile. No other crimes in Thailand, have a family, been here for 9 years etc etc. But had to pay some sweetners. ie 2000 baht for each guy, 2 guys. 4000 for them to be quiet basically. Paid that, 30 minutes later he came out and said all done lets go to court. Went to court, judge gave me 5000 baht fine and 1 year suspended sentence. Free to go.

Costs :

2000 x 2 police to keep quiet

5000 i gave to the tourist guy for being a legend

5000 to the court

2000 travelling, post expenses etc

Plus ofcourse sorting out the overstay but prefer not to mention the cost on here.

End result is im free and sitting in Ubon now with a 30 day exempt. Will go down to Jomtien in April and do a 1 year. Alot of luck, a little bit of tactical work also but alot of luck. Later when i took the tourist police to eat he told me alot more about behind the scenes and what the police said. The local police were actually more worried about getting things wrong rather than coming after me. This is why they called the TP department in the first place. He also told me that one of them actually knew i had a visa problem or suspected but kept quiet. For them it was more about completing a profile so they can get rid of me.

So thats what happened. My apologises to all the people who wanted me banged up because of this and thanks to the people who hoped for the best. For the people who wished me ill please bare in mind a stamp in a passport doesnt sum up someones complete moral standing. Yes its mistake but hardly murder. I have learned from this though. At that point on the first day when he called immigration i thought it was all over. The thought of not seeing my son again for a while killed me.

Regards

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In the original thread that you requested to be locked, you claimed several times that you were going to pay the overstay at the airport and fly to KL or Penang to get a new visa.

This new thread suggests you went the other way and had 'your guy in Bangkok' resolve the overstay 'in-country.' Beyond the drama and stress that seems to be the biggest thing you have taken from this rodeo, I am not sure about the legality of the option chosen and even less sure if the paperwork and stamps are not somehow legally compromised if they were obtained by fraud. So why did you change your mind?

I won't pass any judgement but I consider your initial overstay as strike one, the DUI while on overstay as strike 2 and your knowingly bypassing the only legal way to resolve an overstay as strike three.

Let's just see how you do in April at Jomtien but I can't help feeling you are 'out' already. Do you live in Ubon or Jomtien BTW?

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Meanwhile people who kill police officers in a hit and run case are free to depart to wherever they may like to stay away from justice.

If I was forced to chose the company I had to keep here I would definitely prefer the O.P kohbar as opposed the the car ''driver''

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Yes its mistake but hardly murder.

Drink driving is not far off, and one must question the parenting skills, intelligence and responsibility of a father who drink drives whilst on overstay and with a wife and baby at home. I'm feeling sorry for your child already.

Lets hope this is the wake up call you need.

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In the original thread that you requested to be locked, you claimed several times that you were going to pay the overstay at the airport and fly to KL or Penang to get a new visa.

This new thread suggests you went the other way and had 'your guy in Bangkok' resolve the overstay 'in-country.' Beyond the drama and stress that seems to be the biggest thing you have taken from this rodeo, I am not sure about the legality of the option chosen and even less sure if the paperwork and stamps are not somehow legally compromised if they were obtained by fraud. So why did you change your mind?

I won't pass any judgement but I consider your initial overstay as strike one, the DUI while on overstay as strike 2 and your knowingly bypassing the only legal way to resolve an overstay as strike three.

Let's just see how you do in April at Jomtien but I can't help feeling you are 'out' already. Do you live in Ubon or Jomtien BTW?

Sorry i wont discuss how the overstay was sorted but its sorted dont worry. Although looks to me like your not "worrying", more hoping for a problem. This guy in BKK has been doing it for years, he is Thai and hundreds of people have used the service and left the country afterwards no problem. Someone even got an extension in Jomtien only last week after using him. No need to pass opinion on something you dont know about. Also No need to create a problem here when there isnt.

But to answer one of your questions, yes you are correct i was planning on flying out and back. But with the long overstay, limited pages in the passport and the risk of not seeing my son for a while i chose to do the inhouse option.

I live in Ubon. Why ?

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I am with NanLaew here..... I am puzzled how you summerize this experience. No matter all the bullsh;t from some, you have been acting in a bad way, and you did it even when you cleared your overstay.. Will there ever be a legal way to sort stuff for you, or just an autostrada of bad ones....

I do however for the sake of your son, hope that you will start acting like an responsible parent, and do the right things, and be a rawmodel for yout son, not just another outlaw...

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Yes its mistake but hardly murder.

Drink driving is not far off, and one must question the parenting skills, intelligence and responsibility of a father who drink drives whilst on overstay and with a wife and baby at home. I'm feeling sorry for your child already.

Lets hope this is the wake up call you need.

Indeed your right lessons have been learned as i said. "drink driving is not far off"...ok each to their own. Personally i think killing someone is actually far off having 5 beers instead of 3 but ok each to their own.

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I am with NanLaew here..... I am puzzled how you summerize this experience. No matter all the bullsh;t from some, you have been acting in a bad way, and you did it even when you cleared your overstay.. Will there ever be a legal way to sort stuff for you, or just an autostrada of bad ones....

I do however for the sake of your son, hope that you will start acting like an responsible parent, and do the right things, and be a rawmodel for yout son, not just another outlaw...

Glegolo

Just because you dont know how it was sorted doesnt mean it hasnt worked.

But yes your right it was wrong of me to do this while having a son and on an overstay. As i said in the post lessons learned.

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I for one am interested on how you can sort an overstay in bangkok through the mail and how much something like that costs. How do you even make a connection like that? Honestly that info seems incredibly golden and appropriately legit on TV....too bad you can't share more details here... that kind of hook up is right up there with udonjoe intel...

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In the original thread that you requested to be locked, you claimed several times that you were going to pay the overstay at the airport and fly to KL or Penang to get a new visa.

This new thread suggests you went the other way and had 'your guy in Bangkok' resolve the overstay 'in-country.' Beyond the drama and stress that seems to be the biggest thing you have taken from this rodeo, I am not sure about the legality of the option chosen and even less sure if the paperwork and stamps are not somehow legally compromised if they were obtained by fraud. So why did you change your mind?

I won't pass any judgement but I consider your initial overstay as strike one, the DUI while on overstay as strike 2 and your knowingly bypassing the only legal way to resolve an overstay as strike three.

Let's just see how you do in April at Jomtien but I can't help feeling you are 'out' already. Do you live in Ubon or Jomtien BTW?

Sorry i wont discuss how the overstay was sorted but its sorted dont worry. Although looks to me like your not "worrying", more hoping for a problem. This guy in BKK has been doing it for years, he is Thai and hundreds of people have used the service and left the country afterwards no problem. Someone even got an extension in Jomtien only last week after using him. No need to pass opinion on something you dont know about. Also No need to create a problem here when there isnt.

But to answer one of your questions, yes you are correct i was planning on flying out and back. But with the long overstay, limited pages in the passport and the risk of not seeing my son for a while i chose to do the inhouse option.

I live in Ubon. Why ?

There's legions of pension-age foreigners living in LOS that manage to get their annual Retirement or Marriage extension done without having the actual funds required to qualify for one let alone a letter attesting to having these funds. They avail themselves of several methods, some that entail short-term deposits in their personal bank accounts (and a bung to turn a blind eye to the duration of the deposit) to straight cash payments to Immigration people for stamps with no bank statements or other documentary evidence required. These Thai facilitators, just like 'your guy', have been doing it for years and people come and go (or not if they so chose) without any issues. If you too are comfortable 'solving' a illegality with yet another illegality is entirely up to you. Good luck on that chosen path.

I think the Immigration laws only allow for you to file visa extensions at the Immigration office that has jurisdiction over the area where you actually live. You say are planning to do your Immigration business at Jomtien next month? I think the only thing that a foreigner can do at any Immigration office is the 90-day report.

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I for one am interested on how you can sort an overstay in bangkok through the mail and how much something like that costs. How do you even make a connection like that? Honestly that info seems incredibly golden and appropriately legit on TV....too bad you can't share more details here... that kind of hook up is right up there with udonjoe intel...

Happy to tell anyone who sends me a PM :) Yes it is golden and saved me.

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In the original thread that you requested to be locked, you claimed several times that you were going to pay the overstay at the airport and fly to KL or Penang to get a new visa.

This new thread suggests you went the other way and had 'your guy in Bangkok' resolve the overstay 'in-country.' Beyond the drama and stress that seems to be the biggest thing you have taken from this rodeo, I am not sure about the legality of the option chosen and even less sure if the paperwork and stamps are not somehow legally compromised if they were obtained by fraud. So why did you change your mind?

I won't pass any judgement but I consider your initial overstay as strike one, the DUI while on overstay as strike 2 and your knowingly bypassing the only legal way to resolve an overstay as strike three.

Let's just see how you do in April at Jomtien but I can't help feeling you are 'out' already. Do you live in Ubon or Jomtien BTW?

Sorry i wont discuss how the overstay was sorted but its sorted dont worry. Although looks to me like your not "worrying", more hoping for a problem. This guy in BKK has been doing it for years, he is Thai and hundreds of people have used the service and left the country afterwards no problem. Someone even got an extension in Jomtien only last week after using him. No need to pass opinion on something you dont know about. Also No need to create a problem here when there isnt.

But to answer one of your questions, yes you are correct i was planning on flying out and back. But with the long overstay, limited pages in the passport and the risk of not seeing my son for a while i chose to do the inhouse option.

I live in Ubon. Why ?

There's legions of pension-age foreigners living in LOS that manage to get their annual Retirement or Marriage extension done without having the actual funds required to qualify for one let alone a letter attesting to having these funds. They avail themselves of several methods, some that entail short-term deposits in their personal bank accounts (and a bung to turn a blind eye to the duration of the deposit) to straight cash payments to Immigration people for stamps with no bank statements or other documentary evidence required. These Thai facilitators, just like 'your guy', have been doing it for years and people come and go (or not if they so chose) without any issues. If you too are comfortable 'solving' a illegality with yet another illegality is entirely up to you. Good luck on that chosen path.

I think the Immigration laws only allow for you to file visa extensions at the Immigration office that has jurisdiction over the area where you actually live. You say are planning to do your Immigration business at Jomtien next month? I think the only thing that a foreigner can do at any Immigration office is the 90-day report.

Oh dear. Again just because you dont know its possible doesnt mean its not possible.

If you dont know that with the right connections visas can be done at Jomtien then fine but doesnt mean its not possible. Anyway forget the one year.

My overstay is done mate, its real, sorry to dissapoint you but its all sorted. I have the out stamp, in stamp and exit stamp for April. Hundreds of people used the service with no complaints. You just need to accept its real, its done and these things are possible even IF you dont know about them.

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In the original thread that you requested to be locked, you claimed several times that you were going to pay the overstay at the airport and fly to KL or Penang to get a new visa.

This new thread suggests you went the other way and had 'your guy in Bangkok' resolve the overstay 'in-country.' Beyond the drama and stress that seems to be the biggest thing you have taken from this rodeo, I am not sure about the legality of the option chosen and even less sure if the paperwork and stamps are not somehow legally compromised if they were obtained by fraud. So why did you change your mind?

I won't pass any judgement but I consider your initial overstay as strike one, the DUI while on overstay as strike 2 and your knowingly bypassing the only legal way to resolve an overstay as strike three.

Let's just see how you do in April at Jomtien but I can't help feeling you are 'out' already. Do you live in Ubon or Jomtien BTW?

Sorry i wont discuss how the overstay was sorted but its sorted dont worry. Although looks to me like your not "worrying", more hoping for a problem. This guy in BKK has been doing it for years, he is Thai and hundreds of people have used the service and left the country afterwards no problem. Someone even got an extension in Jomtien only last week after using him. No need to pass opinion on something you dont know about. Also No need to create a problem here when there isnt.

But to answer one of your questions, yes you are correct i was planning on flying out and back. But with the long overstay, limited pages in the passport and the risk of not seeing my son for a while i chose to do the inhouse option.

I live in Ubon. Why ?

There's legions of pension-age foreigners living in LOS that manage to get their annual Retirement or Marriage extension done without having the actual funds required to qualify for one let alone a letter attesting to having these funds. They avail themselves of several methods, some that entail short-term deposits in their personal bank accounts (and a bung to turn a blind eye to the duration of the deposit) to straight cash payments to Immigration people for stamps with no bank statements or other documentary evidence required. These Thai facilitators, just like 'your guy', have been doing it for years and people come and go (or not if they so chose) without any issues. If you too are comfortable 'solving' a illegality with yet another illegality is entirely up to you. Good luck on that chosen path.

I think the Immigration laws only allow for you to file visa extensions at the Immigration office that has jurisdiction over the area where you actually live. You say are planning to do your Immigration business at Jomtien next month? I think the only thing that a foreigner can do at any Immigration office is the 90-day report.

Oh dear. Again just because you dont know its possible doesnt mean its not possible.

If you dont know that with the right connections visas can be done at Jomtien then fine but doesnt mean its not possible. Anyway forget the one year.

My overstay is done mate, its real, sorry to dissapoint you but its all sorted. I have the out stamp, in stamp and exit stamp for April. Hundreds of people used the service with no complaints. You just need to accept its real, its done and these things are possible even IF you dont know about them.

I think the key point you may be missing is there is a difference between something being done under the table and the actual thing being done not valid. There is a difference. 1 year visas are possible at Jomtien. The process is under the table but the visa itself is legal and valid. Just like with the overstay the process was under the table but the result is legal and valid. Just because something is done under the table does not mean the result is illegal or not valid.

Hope this clears things up a little.

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Glad to hear it worked out well. Again we see more and more reports that show overstay really isn't the crime of the century, really just an minor administrative infraction. Also not surprised to see there are agents that can rectify it in-country, I wouldn't be surprised if they can do it after March 20th without the attached blacklisting too.

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