Utley Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Olympus OM-D E-M1 with a M.Zuiko Lens: 25mm F1.8 ISO 100; f stop 1.8 shot in raw format Notice the green tinge on the right side of the young lady's neck. What causes that and more importantly how do I remove it? I initially process the raw with Corel Aftershot 2 and convert to a Tif; I then make adjustments as needed with Corel Paintshop Pro; then process the adjusted Tif through Neat Image to get rid of any digital noise; then FaceFilter to add makeup; then Paintshop Pro again for final touch up and to convert the Tif to a Jpeg. I am stumped as to why the tint occurred (first time today), how to get rid of it and how to avoid it in the future. Any and all comments will be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Why are people downloading this photo? I was under the impression that this particular forum was for evaluating photos, offering suggestions and responding to questions. Downloading this copyrighted photo is rather underhanded to say the least. MODERATOR: How do I put a stop to the downloads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'm sure somebody more clever than me will come along with a professional answer, but I would guess the green tinge on the ladies neck is reflection from the green background. The subject is too close to the background. This is giving unwanted details of the background and shadows that don't really help the composition of the picture. Sometimes people download photos to modify and enhance then post back to show what could be done. Easier than trying to explain in writing. If you are concerned about ownership of your photos, you could watermark them before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FracturedRabbit Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I agree, a reflection off the background; plus shadows from the subject and the chair from being close to the background. The photo overall looks heavily processed and over-saturated; which is maybe the effect you were after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'm sure somebody more clever than me will come along with a professional answer, but I would guess the green tinge on the ladies neck is reflection from the green background. The subject is too close to the background. This is giving unwanted details of the background and shadows that don't really help the composition of the picture. Sometimes people download photos to modify and enhance then post back to show what could be done. Easier than trying to explain in writing. If you are concerned about ownership of your photos, you could watermark them before posting. Thank you for your reply; I too considered that perhaps the subject was too close to the background. That's one modification I will make at my next photo shoot. I am not all that concerned about the ownership of the photo; It's just that I don't want some scumbag beating off to this young lady's photo. She is a very warm but shy village girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 I agree, a reflection off the background; plus shadows from the subject and the chair from being close to the background. The photo overall looks heavily processed and over-saturated; which is maybe the effect you were after? Reflection from the background - got it. You really think the photo looks heavily processed and over saturated? Except for the makeup, the end product looks pretty close to the original except for some facial flaws removed. I didn't touch the exposure, tone, white balance or any other enhancement on this photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Why are people downloading this photo? I was under the impression that this particular forum was for evaluating photos, offering suggestions and responding to questions. Downloading this copyrighted photo is rather underhanded to say the least. MODERATOR: How do I put a stop to the downloads? Download count that you see simply means a person has clicked on the image for a windowed view of it. Doesn't mean someone is downloading and saving it to their computer. Also, any image that will show on a browser is downloaded and put in browser cache automatically. Basically any image you can see on a browser has to be downloaded in order to display it. Nothing underhanded going on. And as mentioned, the green on the neck is reflection from the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Why are people downloading this photo? I was under the impression that this particular forum was for evaluating photos, offering suggestions and responding to questions. Downloading this copyrighted photo is rather underhanded to say the least. MODERATOR: How do I put a stop to the downloads? Download count that you see simply means a person has clicked on the image for a windowed view of it. Doesn't mean someone is downloading and saving it to their computer. Also, any image that will show on a browser is downloaded and put in browser cache automatically. Basically any image you can see on a browser has to be downloaded in order to display it. Nothing underhanded going on. And as mentioned, the green on the neck is reflection from the background. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FracturedRabbit Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I agree, a reflection off the background; plus shadows from the subject and the chair from being close to the background. The photo overall looks heavily processed and over-saturated; which is maybe the effect you were after? Reflection from the background - got it. You really think the photo looks heavily processed and over saturated? Except for the makeup, the end product looks pretty close to the original except for some facial flaws removed. I didn't touch the exposure, tone, white balance or any other enhancement on this photo. Just my impression. The bright green background, plus the green jacket, probably creates the saturated look, and the processing on the face rather stands out. The softening of the face creates a disconnect with the toes in particular (which are sharp), creating an impression that your focus point was on the toes rather than on the subject's face (which I assume it wasn't); so my eyes are drawn away from the subject's face. Perhaps try with a less garish background, if you have access to one. Place the subject away from the background to avoid shadows and hopefully blur out the background to an extent. And apply make-up to the subject so you don't have to process her face? The E-M1 has quite bold colours and I find it can be useful to desaturate a little to achieve a more natural look. Also, if you do anything to reduce noise, then you usually have to sharpen the image afterwards. As for removing the green tinge, very difficult unless you know a Photoshop whizz (I don't!). Perhaps convert this image to black and white, could look nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 I agree, a reflection off the background; plus shadows from the subject and the chair from being close to the background. The photo overall looks heavily processed and over-saturated; which is maybe the effect you were after? Reflection from the background - got it. You really think the photo looks heavily processed and over saturated? Except for the makeup, the end product looks pretty close to the original except for some facial flaws removed. I didn't touch the exposure, tone, white balance or any other enhancement on this photo. Just my impression. The bright green background, plus the green jacket, probably creates the saturated look, and the processing on the face rather stands out. The softening of the face creates a disconnect with the toes in particular (which are sharp), creating an impression that your focus point was on the toes rather than on the subject's face (which I assume it wasn't); so my eyes are drawn away from the subject's face. Perhaps try with a less garish background, if you have access to one. Place the subject away from the background to avoid shadows and hopefully blur out the background to an extent. And apply make-up to the subject so you don't have to process her face? The E-M1 has quite bold colours and I find it can be useful to desaturate a little to achieve a more natural look. Also, if you do anything to reduce noise, then you usually have to sharpen the image afterwards. As for removing the green tinge, very difficult unless you know a Photoshop whizz (I don't!). Perhaps convert this image to black and white, could look nice? Thank you, I appreciate your comments. The green background can be a little overwhelming. I'll try to tone it down a bit. Any color options you can recommend for black & white. I was surprised that there was a wide array of filter options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtooth Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The green reflected tinge is everywhere. Possibly less intense lighting, as well as further from the background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Just a thought, if I don't want a image used without my say, (obviously once its on the net you can not stop others also using it on the net) I resize the photo to something really low resolution before I upload it, then it still looks ok on a PC but is useless for downloading & printing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FracturedRabbit Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I agree, a reflection off the background; plus shadows from the subject and the chair from being close to the background. The photo overall looks heavily processed and over-saturated; which is maybe the effect you were after? Reflection from the background - got it. You really think the photo looks heavily processed and over saturated? Except for the makeup, the end product looks pretty close to the original except for some facial flaws removed. I didn't touch the exposure, tone, white balance or any other enhancement on this photo. Just my impression. The bright green background, plus the green jacket, probably creates the saturated look, and the processing on the face rather stands out. The softening of the face creates a disconnect with the toes in particular (which are sharp), creating an impression that your focus point was on the toes rather than on the subject's face (which I assume it wasn't); so my eyes are drawn away from the subject's face. Perhaps try with a less garish background, if you have access to one. Place the subject away from the background to avoid shadows and hopefully blur out the background to an extent. And apply make-up to the subject so you don't have to process her face? The E-M1 has quite bold colours and I find it can be useful to desaturate a little to achieve a more natural look. Also, if you do anything to reduce noise, then you usually have to sharpen the image afterwards. As for removing the green tinge, very difficult unless you know a Photoshop whizz (I don't!). Perhaps convert this image to black and white, could look nice? Thank you, I appreciate your comments. The green background can be a little overwhelming. I'll try to tone it down a bit. Any color options you can recommend for black & white. I was surprised that there was a wide array of filter options. I use Silver Efex Pro from Nik Software. https://www.google.com/nikcollection/ Very powerful and loads of presets to help you choose the best look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Just a thought, if I don't want a image used without my say, (obviously once its on the net you can not stop others also using it on the net) I resize the photo to something really low resolution before I upload it, then it still looks ok on a PC but is useless for downloading & printing..... Good point - thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 The new and improved version incorporating your many helpful suggestions - thank you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuijimmy Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 OK I just need to say, would anyone wishing to try and edit someone else's image to please ask via PM first and make sure they are OK with it.... I have been there done that before too... and heard about it too, because I did not ask!!! I know it was good intention to edit Utley's image, but better to ask first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy1969 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Wow !!! what a beautiful young lady. First of all,I am not nor do I pretend to be a portrait photographer and so this is not professional advice,just my honest opinion of my thoughts on your photo. A few points that I see that could maybe be improved on are.... More distance between the subject and background ( already mentioned by others) to avoid reflection and shadows. Maybe a less vibrant backdrop material and definitely make sure that there are no creases in the material.My eye was drawn immediately to the floor in your first image. Also,the pose of the young lady looks a little rigid and stiff to me.To me it looks like she is hooking her foot behind her calf to try and keep balance. Lastly and most importantly.the face is far too blurry,the face is the most important feature in any portrait and so should be the main focal point,especially the eyes! All in all,I think you did a good job and thank you for being brave enough to allow us to evaluate your image. Could you maybe share your exif data and what gear you were using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantex Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 As stated before, the colour is reflected from the background. Move the subject further from the background, use lighter coloured background, subject is lighted from behind the camera (can see shadow on background of subject and chair) use additional lighting to left & right and from above camera angle to dispel the shadows and soften the colour reflection on subject. Use diffuser on lights used on face to soften the features. Equal mixtures of the colours, red, green and blue give white and by using any of these colours will throw your balance off. If using green background, consider red and blue filters on lights to redress the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Wow !!! what a beautiful young lady. First of all,I am not nor do I pretend to be a portrait photographer and so this is not professional advice,just my honest opinion of my thoughts on your photo. A few points that I see that could maybe be improved on are.... More distance between the subject and background ( already mentioned by others) to avoid reflection and shadows. Maybe a less vibrant backdrop material and definitely make sure that there are no creases in the material.My eye was drawn immediately to the floor in your first image. Also,the pose of the young lady looks a little rigid and stiff to me.To me it looks like she is hooking her foot behind her calf to try and keep balance. Lastly and most importantly.the face is far too blurry,the face is the most important feature in any portrait and so should be the main focal point,especially the eyes! All in all,I think you did a good job and thank you for being brave enough to allow us to evaluate your image. Could you maybe share your exif data and what gear you were using? Olympus OM-D E-M1 with a M.Zuiko Lens: 25mm F1.8 ISO 100; f stop 1.8 shot in raw format This was a test shoot to see if the young lady had potential as a model. This was her first time before a camera (other than selfies) and she was a little nervous and stiff. I'll work on focusing on the eyes. This was also my first time using this backdrop. Maybe I'll put it in storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 As stated before, the colour is reflected from the background. Move the subject further from the background, use lighter coloured background, subject is lighted from behind the camera (can see shadow on background of subject and chair) use additional lighting to left & right and from above camera angle to dispel the shadows and soften the colour reflection on subject. Use diffuser on lights used on face to soften the features. Equal mixtures of the colours, red, green and blue give white and by using any of these colours will throw your balance off. If using green background, consider red and blue filters on lights to redress the balance. I used 4 lights in total; 2 white umbrellas - 45 degree angle on each side of the subject, above the subject angled downward; a large 7' hexagon softbox directly in front of the subject; and 1 smaller softbox at an angle pointing upward at the subject's face. The lighting I use does not lend itself to colored filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Olympus OM-D E-M1 with a M.Zuiko Lens: 25mm F1.8 ISO 100; f stop 1.8 shot in raw format This was a test shoot to see if the young lady had potential as a model. This was her first time before a camera (other than selfies) and she was a little nervous and stiff. I'll work on focusing on the eyes. This was also my first time using this backdrop. Maybe I'll put it in storage. I also have the EM-1 and one of the focus modes you can have the camera go for the left eye, the right eye, or best of all, the nearest eye in the shot. For portraits that probably should be used nearly all the time. Also, you should have used a fill flash at low power and reduce the ambient light. That would remove the shadows and the green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Olympus OM-D E-M1 with a M.Zuiko Lens: 25mm F1.8 ISO 100; f stop 1.8 shot in raw format This was a test shoot to see if the young lady had potential as a model. This was her first time before a camera (other than selfies) and she was a little nervous and stiff. I'll work on focusing on the eyes. This was also my first time using this backdrop. Maybe I'll put it in storage. I also have the EM-1 and one of the focus modes you can have the camera go for the left eye, the right eye, or best of all, the nearest eye in the shot. For portraits that probably should be used nearly all the time. Also, you should have used a fill flash at low power and reduce the ambient light. That would remove the shadows and the green. I have the focus set for the nearest eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymarr Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 ""Just a thought...."" I do realise that it is under lights and that you have set the white balance for that situation, but if you try either the shade or cloud setting you may find it will soften the skin/warm tones and kill the green on the neck... You should still have the depth in the green on the wall and her jacket. This will have to be done back at the raw files, but I am guessing you knew that.. I find that the photo has a nice line in it going from top right to bottom left,,, giving it a thumbs up from me... andy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 ""Just a thought...."" I do realise that it is under lights and that you have set the white balance for that situation, but if you try either the shade or cloud setting you may find it will soften the skin/warm tones and kill the green on the neck... You should still have the depth in the green on the wall and her jacket. This will have to be done back at the raw files, but I am guessing you knew that.. I find that the photo has a nice line in it going from top right to bottom left,,, giving it a thumbs up from me... andy... Thanks for the suggestion Andy and thanks for the thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I think you over complicated your lighting. Your big soft box and an umbrella for fill on the face would have given some more natural lighting, with a small but bright hair light glancing at a high angle behind. Keep your lights more than 50% above eye level for this style of portrait. Under lighting is hard to pull off and usually gives unwanted shadows. And in this case the green spill is inhabiting those shadows. Crop it to hide the feet because they are tucked unnaturally. And crop off most of the green to the left. It really overpowers the subject. Nice to see someone using lights. Lights are a treasure trove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 I think you over complicated your lighting. Your big soft box and an umbrella for fill on the face would have given some more natural lighting, with a small but bright hair light glancing at a high angle behind. Keep your lights more than 50% above eye level for this style of portrait. Under lighting is hard to pull off and usually gives unwanted shadows. And in this case the green spill is inhabiting those shadows. Crop it to hide the feet because they are tucked unnaturally. And crop off most of the green to the left. It really overpowers the subject. Nice to see someone using lights. Lights are a treasure trove. Thanks for the suggestions. I think that I fell into a trap of - since I have it I should use it. I'm going to experiment with a "less is better" concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoJT Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 35 mm/1,8 is not appropriate setting for a portrait. That is the main reason why the photo has no atmosphere and the background is too prominent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FracturedRabbit Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 5:15 PM, HeikoJT said: 35 mm/1,8 is not appropriate setting for a portrait. That is the main reason why the photo has no atmosphere and the background is too prominent 1. It's not a portrait, it's a full body shot. 2. It's 25mm not 35mm (albeit with a 50mm effective focal length because of the crop sensor). 3. F1.8 is more than sufficient to blur out a background, provided the background is not right next to the subject as in the OP's case. Attached is with a 25mm lens on the same camera at F1.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoJT Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 When you get evaluation you asked for you should not argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FracturedRabbit Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, HeikoJT said: When you get evaluation you asked for you should not argue. When you post incorrect information you should expect to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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