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Highway Robbery;: Oklahoma police seize $53k of funds for Thai orphanage


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I'm not what you call big anti government conspiracy fan, but civil forfeiture as currently allowed in some places in the US is going way too far. Good idea in theory, but practice is giving local jurisdictions too much incentive to not follow through with due process.

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Anyone wandering around with 53kUSD in cash must be up to no good, or stupid.

There are banks for this sort of thing.

and those banks have done such a good job havent they, Jp Morgan barclays etc etc

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Anyone wandering around with 53kUSD in cash must be up to no good, or stupid.

There are banks for this sort of thing.

Banks don't necesssarily solve the problem, the IRS has seized several accounts for "Structuring"(keeping transactions to less than $10K). Those accounts include a lady operating a Bakery, a father's account for his daughter's education, and a construction company. As in the asset confiscation, no criminal conviction is necessary.

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Police seize travelers checks all the time. Innocence is no excuse.

American police are the biggest pieces of shit in the whole world.

So are their dogs.

BTW:

(twitter) District Atty confirmed this afternoon that civil & criminal charges filed against 40-year-old Eh Wah were going to be dropped & $ returned.

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Anyone wandering around with 53kUSD in cash must be up to no good, or stupid.

There are banks for this sort of thing.

Banks don't necesssarily solve the problem, the IRS has seized several accounts for "Structuring"(keeping transactions to less than $10K). Those accounts include a lady operating a Bakery, a father's account for his daughter's education, and a construction company. As in the asset confiscation, no criminal conviction is necessary.

Well, having your money in a bank at least shows that you aren't trying to hide it. Cash in a bag is clearly dubious. Not really my place to comment on weird US legislation (of which there seems to be a lot) but this particular law does seem to be unreasonable.

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Virtually all USA checking and savings accounts are insured up to US$ 250,000 by FDIC.

BTW while no drugs or paraphernalia was found in the car, the dog could have been set-off by a joint smoked in the car maybe even several days before.

There is a roughly 50 km segment in the Oklahoma panhandle which directly borders Colorado where marijuana is legal -- that is in the western part of Oklahoma but this incident occurred in the eastern part of the state.

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Virtually all USA checking and savings accounts are insured up to US$ 250,000 by FDIC.

BTW while no drugs or paraphernalia was found in the car, the dog could have been set-off by a joint smoked in the car maybe even several days before.

There is a roughly 50 km segment in the Oklahoma panhandle which directly borders Colorado where marijuana is legal -- that is in the western part of Oklahoma but this incident occurred in the eastern part of the state.

No-one except the dog knows what it smelled or didn't. It's the handler that claims a "detection," even if the dog is just sitting there licking it's nuts. The dogs are just an excuse to search anywhere the cops want.

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Virtually all USA checking and savings accounts are insured up to US$ 250,000 by FDIC.

BTW while no drugs or paraphernalia was found in the car, the dog could have been set-off by a joint smoked in the car maybe even several days before.

There is a roughly 50 km segment in the Oklahoma panhandle which directly borders Colorado where marijuana is legal -- that is in the western part of Oklahoma but this incident occurred in the eastern part of the state.

No-one except the dog knows what it smelled or didn't. It's the handler that claims a "detection," even if the dog is just sitting there licking it's nuts. The dogs are just an excuse to search anywhere the cops want.

I think you will find in all 50 states plus WashDC that a positive indication of a certified drug-sniffing K9 dog while not infallible is reasonable cause that drugs are or were present.

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Anyone wandering around with 53kUSD in cash must be up to no good, or stupid.

There are banks for this sort of thing.

Banks don't necesssarily solve the problem, the IRS has seized several accounts for "Structuring"(keeping transactions to less than $10K). Those accounts include a lady operating a Bakery, a father's account for his daughter's education, and a construction company. As in the asset confiscation, no criminal conviction is necessary.

Well, having your money in a bank at least shows that you aren't trying to hide it. Cash in a bag is clearly dubious. Not really my place to comment on weird US legislation (of which there seems to be a lot) but this particular law does seem to be unreasonable.

The middle class and rich use banks, even when they are committing a crime. The poor use cash. So, the presumption that the presence of cash itself is prima facie evidence of a crime is just another way to target the poor, who have fewer ways to fight back against illegitimate police seizures. Just like the anti-drug laws focues on crack cocaine, transactions for which frequently take place on the street, rather than unadulterated cocaine which is more expensive and transactions for which more frequently take place in companies, hotels, and apartments than on the street. That's one way that the state can send more black people to prison for cocaine even though most of the users are white, not black. So, civil asset forfeiture is just more of the horrendous same.

I am glad this poor bastard was able to get a lawyer involved to get his money back.

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