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My wife and I headed on down to the local Methodist Church this evening and duly posted two leave votes.

I'm more interested in this referendum than any other political event in my lifetime.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

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I don't really have a dog in this fight, I have never been an anglophile, and, in general, I am not opposed to people leaving their homeland to live and work in another country - I've done it several times. However, what I see here is about one-third of the population of North Africa and the ME trying to cross the Mediterranean and invade Europe. They bring with them an economy-burdening poverty and a hostile culture that dilutes the indigenous culture to the point that, were it not recorded in literature and academia, it would no longer be recognizable. European families, in general, have taken responsible steps to voluntarily limit population increases through reproduction. Third world countries from Africa and Asia continue to produce large families to increase the number of workers in their units and to guarantee security for the elderly. That, coupled with the technology compassionately offered from the west, has increased the survival rate of their citizenry but it has not increased the economic opportunities to enjoy the out-of-reach living standards in Europe as witnessed by them in the media.

Compassion is an admirable trait, especially when exercised by nations with the support of their people. But in the modern world it is rapidly becoming a means of enabling that encourages people to leave their countries instead of struggling to fix them. Unless there is a radical change in the EU policy vis-a-vis immigration, continued membership in that organization will result in the accelerated dismantling of the UK.

The British Empire is long gone. It is time for the British people to expiate itself of the guilt for sins it committed during that era and function again as a cohesive, focused unit the way it did during its heroic days of the early 1940s. That cannot happen if it continues to carry the burdens imposed by continued membership in EU.

The EU has many problems but for 70 years Europeans have not slaughtered each other.

We can thank EU for that.

Or we can risk another Somme, Paschendale, Flanders, Normandy, Auschwitz, and Berlin. The refugees are small beer by comparison to those horrors..

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The EU has many problems but for 70 years Europeans have not slaughtered each other.

We can thank EU for that.

Or we can risk another Somme, Paschendale, Flanders, Normandy, Auschwitz, and Berlin. The refugees are small beer by comparison to those horrors..

I think you are getting confused with what the EU and NATO are and what they can be credited with.

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I don't really have a dog in this fight, I have never been an anglophile, and, in general, I am not opposed to people leaving their homeland to live and work in another country - I've done it several times. However, what I see here is about one-third of the population of North Africa and the ME trying to cross the Mediterranean and invade Europe. They bring with them an economy-burdening poverty and a hostile culture that dilutes the indigenous culture to the point that, were it not recorded in literature and academia, it would no longer be recognizable. European families, in general, have taken responsible steps to voluntarily limit population increases through reproduction. Third world countries from Africa and Asia continue to produce large families to increase the number of workers in their units and to guarantee security for the elderly. That, coupled with the technology compassionately offered from the west, has increased the survival rate of their citizenry but it has not increased the economic opportunities to enjoy the out-of-reach living standards in Europe as witnessed by them in the media.

Compassion is an admirable trait, especially when exercised by nations with the support of their people. But in the modern world it is rapidly becoming a means of enabling that encourages people to leave their countries instead of struggling to fix them. Unless there is a radical change in the EU policy vis-a-vis immigration, continued membership in that organization will result in the accelerated dismantling of the UK.

The British Empire is long gone. It is time for the British people to expiate itself of the guilt for sins it committed during that era and function again as a cohesive, focused unit the way it did during its heroic days of the early 1940s. That cannot happen if it continues to carry the burdens imposed by continued membership in EU.

The EU has many problems but for 70 years Europeans have not slaughtered each other.

We can thank EU for that.

Or we can risk another Somme, Paschendale, Flanders, Normandy, Auschwitz, and Berlin. The refugees are small beer by comparison to those horrors..

So if the UK leaves the EU who do you think may make war on who. and how will the UK remaining in the EU make a difference?

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either way this referendum has been a croc - it has shown how stupid many people in the UK can be, it has divided the nation - and that won't stop tomorrow.......the most galling thing is that we didn't ask for a referendum, we were TOLD we were going to have one - it is not a normal governmental process in the UK and it challenges the sovereignty of parliament....in fact it isn't eve legally binding.

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either way this referendum has been a croc - it has shown how stupid many people in the UK can be, it has divided the nation - and that won't stop tomorrow.......the most galling thing is that we didn't ask for a referendum, we were TOLD we were going to have one - it is not a normal governmental process in the UK and it challenges the sovereignty of parliament....in fact it isn't eve legally binding.

Jeez, where to start with this load of nonsense?

Just go and fact check your post yourself, I can't even be bothered to put you right.

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I don't really have a dog in this fight, I have never been an anglophile, and, in general, I am not opposed to people leaving their homeland to live and work in another country - I've done it several times. However, what I see here is about one-third of the population of North Africa and the ME trying to cross the Mediterranean and invade Europe. They bring with them an economy-burdening poverty and a hostile culture that dilutes the indigenous culture to the point that, were it not recorded in literature and academia, it would no longer be recognizable. European families, in general, have taken responsible steps to voluntarily limit population increases through reproduction. Third world countries from Africa and Asia continue to produce large families to increase the number of workers in their units and to guarantee security for the elderly. That, coupled with the technology compassionately offered from the west, has increased the survival rate of their citizenry but it has not increased the economic opportunities to enjoy the out-of-reach living standards in Europe as witnessed by them in the media.

Compassion is an admirable trait, especially when exercised by nations with the support of their people. But in the modern world it is rapidly becoming a means of enabling that encourages people to leave their countries instead of struggling to fix them. Unless there is a radical change in the EU policy vis-a-vis immigration, continued membership in that organization will result in the accelerated dismantling of the UK.

The British Empire is long gone. It is time for the British people to expiate itself of the guilt for sins it committed during that era and function again as a cohesive, focused unit the way it did during its heroic days of the early 1940s. That cannot happen if it continues to carry the burdens imposed by continued membership in EU.

The EU has many problems but for 70 years Europeans have not slaughtered each other.

We can thank EU for that.

Or we can risk another Somme, Paschendale, Flanders, Normandy, Auschwitz, and Berlin. The refugees are small beer by comparison to those horrors..

So if the UK leaves the EU who do you think may make war on who. and how will the UK remaining in the EU make a difference?

Well the first thing that springs to mind is that the Northern Ireland peace agreement has EU membership as part of the agreement.

at present, wars are fought over oil, in the future it will be water and other resources. UK normally gets involved after having signed agreements (ententes) with other nations...in the next 10 years there could be a lot of new treaties signed and the UK could find itself having to protect its interests in all sorts of places we'd never even dreamed of in the EU.

We've had war in Europe out side the EU in very recent years, and if the EU starts to crack there is no guarantee countries won't drift that way again.

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either way this referendum has been a croc - it has shown how stupid many people in the UK can be, it has divided the nation - and that won't stop tomorrow.......the most galling thing is that we didn't ask for a referendum, we were TOLD we were going to have one - it is not a normal governmental process in the UK and it challenges the sovereignty of parliament....in fact it isn't eve legally binding.

Jeez, where to start with this load of nonsense?

Just go and fact check your post yourself, I can't even be bothered to put you right.

a brilliant and succinct argument.......but you forgot to post it.

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LONDON (AP) - Reports that 'remain' vote appears headed to victory in EU referendum sends the British pound surging 1 percent against the U.S. dollar.

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There are significant differences in the polls - phone polls tend to say "in" and internet "out" - go figure.

At the last general election ALL the polls got it seriously wrong.....I wouldn't count any chickens before they hatch, especially if it's a load of coke-addled rich kids trying to make an extra quick buck before a crash.

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It's 2235 UK time. Reports state Farage concedes the vote, the loss. I was quite keen that UK Leave. Seems Remain won. A few points:

I think this vote choice is a terrible error and a unique opportunity like this may never present again. But, it was certainly voted openly and with interest. It may have been provoked from both sides but I think it was a fair vote. So. It's done!

This was difficult for people on both sides and it seemed their nation was seriously injured by the process; maybe. I think though that something quite democratic was evidenced in the process. And this is the most ironic part of this- the Remain is essentially a vote for the anti democratic! No question about that. This will be a curious historical artifact- that Brits used a single democratic silver bullet to vote for anti democracy. My point will be proven sooner rather then later.

I hope UK can unite and move on toward the future both sides claimed they commanded. Good luck UK. Wish you peace and prosperity.

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My wife and I headed on down to the local Methodist Church this evening and duly posted two leave votes.

I'm more interested in this referendum than any other political event in my lifetime.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

It seems a common misconception amongst Brexiteers that "tomorrow" will be the end of it..........this referendum has done untold damage to the cohesion of the nation it has revealed racism and bigotry amongst a huge number of people and stirred up a lot of bad feeling.

Brexiteers seem to cite reasons from the last year for leaving and then think that by "tomorrow" everything will be over......in fact the EU membership debate has been going (good and bad) for over 40 years - effectively since WW2, and is an important theme throughout British history.....the results of any Brexit will not truly be felt for a couple of years and then over the next 40 will make themselves felt.........something many on this thread won't need to worry about, because they will be dead.

Why anyone would want to lunch the UK on this long protracted downward spiral to a "little England" is quite beyond me.

The question all Brexiteers should be asking themselves now is "OMG, WHAT HAVE I DONE"?

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It's 2235 UK time. Reports state Farage concedes the vote, the loss. I was quite keen that UK Leave. Seems Remain won. A few points:

I think this vote choice is a terrible error and a unique opportunity like this may never present again. But, it was certainly voted openly and with interest. It may have been provoked from both sides but I think it was a fair vote. So. It's done!

This was difficult for people on both sides and it seemed their nation was seriously injured by the process; maybe. I think though that something quite democratic was evidenced in the process. And this is the most ironic part of this- the Remain is essentially a vote for the anti democratic! No question about that. This will be a curious historical artifact- that Brits used a single democratic silver bullet to vote for anti democracy. My point will be proven sooner rather then later.

I hope UK can unite and move on toward the future both sides claimed they commanded. Good luck UK. Wish you peace and prosperity.

It is highly debatable in the UK especially as to how "democratic" a referendum actually is......... to some it is just mob rule.....there is a difference.

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Is it a full moon tonight? The wolves are howling.

Within the last hour, the 3 following comments have been read on TVF,

by members:

A Brexit vote will lead to World War III

David Cameron has committed treason

Lastly, although vote counting has not started yet, Nigel Farage has conceded the referendum

to the Remain side!

This is passion gone crazy. Get a grip!

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LONDON (AP) - UK Independence Party Leader Nigel Farage tells Sky news "it looks like 'remain' will edge it" in EU referendum.

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